shadowalker
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It has been seen the most with Glocks, but most firearms without manual safeties are vulnerable to it. DA and DA/SA handguns have the advantage of having a much heavier initial pull so it is less likely.
is that xd grip safety really necessary?
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rcmodel
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Because they don't work the same way basically.
A Glock has a very short 5-6 pound trigger pull, followed by a very loud BANG.
A DA revolver has a very long 12+ pound trigger pull, and the cylinder has to rotate to a new position during the process.
A well fitting holster stops cylinder rotation, even if the long heavy trigger doesn't.
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You put the pad of your thumb behind the slide. You can then use your thumb to push your gun into the holster while maintaining a good grip. Try it.
It is quite simple to do and it isn't just to disengage the grip safety. It also ensures that the gun doesn't come out of battery while reholstering and it gives you a good spot to push the gun into the holster. The latter is a benefit with an IWB holster.
jakemccoy
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The lack of a manual safety on a Glock is NOT a flaw. It's a feature for those who know better. My girlie, petite, feminine girlfriend loves my Glock 27 and wants her own Glock 23 above any other gun. She says, "without the safety, there are fewer things to go wrong when I need it." Who am I to disagree? 
shadowalker
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It is intended to be a feature but that doesn't mean it can't occasionally cause problems. The interesting thing is the majority of the holster NDs are from people that know better.
I also prefer no manual safety, but prefer a DA/SA, the grip safety is just another way to potentially make having no manual safety safer.
No platform is perfect, to each their own.
I also prefer no manual safety, but prefer a DA/SA, the grip safety is just another way to potentially make having no manual safety safer.
No platform is perfect, to each their own.
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rcmodel said:
That's an Internet rumor that's easy to believe if you've decided to be a Glock hater.
I carry a Glock in a deep concealment Smart Carry holster. The chance of a negligent discharge is, in theory, higher in this type of holster. A negligent discharge hasn't happened for me after over two years of this type of carry everyday.
My trigger finger is my safety. I disengage the safety every time I place my finger within the trigger guard. I practice the Four Safety Rules. They work. They really do.
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shadowalker
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I've read reviews of a few accidental self inflicted GSW that were the result of exactly that so it does happen. The ones that I read about were both highly trained people that holstered too fast with a holster obstruction, wound up with a nice laceration down the leg.
One can argue that it is infrequent and that the benefits of not having a manual safety are greater than having one but dismissing it as false is inaccurate.
jakemccoy
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shadowalker said:
Like the DEA agent Mr. Professional Enough...Yes, you're right!
jakemccoy
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shadowalker said:
The obstruction would be their finger? I say they shouldn't be above reproach and should learn better trigger finger control. That's what the problem was. Let's just be honest for the sake of learning and getting better. Lazy trigger finger control is something you had better NOT have while handling a Glock. I'll give you that.
I have plenty of money to clear out my Glocks and go for an XD. However, I have no desire to do so. The simplicity of a Glock is a feature, not a flaw.
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shadowalker
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I believe it was clothing that entered the holster.
I agree a lot of NDs with Glocks are due to bad trigger finger control. Not jamming the firearm in the holster can help too, most the time there is plenty of time to re-holster.
I've never understood people who buy a Glock and then put an after market safety on it, if you want a safety there are plenty of high quality handguns that come with them.
All that I have to say, is that if you know how to hold a gun you don't have to worry about the dang grip safety. For example, by brother in law who has never shot a handgun had quite a time shooting it because he didn't have a good enough grip, kept limp wristing it and was never high enough on the grip. Personally I don't mind it at all and in fact kind of like it.
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I want the grip safety on the XD and I think most people do also, so that's how it will be.
The Lone Haranguer
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Much like thumb safeties on DAOs or magazine disconnect safeties, it is superfluous but doesn't hurt anything.
rc109a
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I have actually seen a ND with the glock when the thumb breakstap enterd the trigger guard during reholstering. The gun went off and the round went down his pantleg and hit the concrete. I caught two pieces of metal jacket in my arm since I was picking brass up off the floor.
As far as holstering with an XD (we teach this for all firearms), keep the same grip, take finger off trigger, unwrap thumb and move it to the rear of the slide, put slight pressure on slide and holster. If your inserting the weapon wrong, then you will feel the slide move to the rear. I guess that is as good as I can explain.
I own both and use both. I like both very much. The glock is my 9mm and the XD is my 40. My 45 is my 1911...
As far as holstering with an XD (we teach this for all firearms), keep the same grip, take finger off trigger, unwrap thumb and move it to the rear of the slide, put slight pressure on slide and holster. If your inserting the weapon wrong, then you will feel the slide move to the rear. I guess that is as good as I can explain.
I own both and use both. I like both very much. The glock is my 9mm and the XD is my 40. My 45 is my 1911...
BMF500
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That's not a safety, that's a flaw...and a dumb saying...
rswartsell
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Does anyone know what Plaxico Burress was carrying? It was reported to be a Glock.
This thread smells.
Has anyone else noticed there has been an influx of wet behind the ears know-it-alls lately?
The less safety mechanisms on a tool the more likely it is to have issues.
That goes for a crosscut saw, or a gun.
Comon people you are smarter than this.
This thread is stupid.
Has anyone else noticed there has been an influx of wet behind the ears know-it-alls lately?
The less safety mechanisms on a tool the more likely it is to have issues.
That goes for a crosscut saw, or a gun.
Comon people you are smarter than this.
This thread is stupid.
wyocarp
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This thread has an interesting amount of bashing going on.
I don't like the grip safety on the XDs and I am going to estimate that at least 50% of people that hold an XD don't like the grip safety. But, I'm just going by the response I get while trying to sell them, some of the respondants on here might have a better feeling for how the general populace feels about the grip safety.
I sell about 5 M&Ps to every XD, and it's mostly about how the grip feels.
People get excited about things that make them not have to think. I group the XD grip safety into this category.
Put the gun in a quality holster and leave it there unless you are going to use (fire) the handgun. No one should be in a hurry to return a gun to a holster, so take your time and don't be careless. There is absolutely no excuse except carelessness for a discharge while returning your handgun to it's holster.
If you can't handle a gun safely without a safety, then you shouldn't be handling a gun.
I don't like plastic guns period. Never have. But they damn sure shoot well. I guess I fired fifty different Glocks, M&Ps and XDs before I held my nose and bought one. Its a XD Subcompact, it carries well, amazingly accurate, fast, reliable, just everything you could want from a modern gun. I bought it over the Glock because of the grip safety. I've been looking down the barrel of a gun since I was fifteen and at 59 that's a lot of shooting. I love my 1911s, BHPs, CZs, Berettas ect, but when I go out the XD is CCW. Simply can't beat them. (still don't like them though - I just don't look at it). Thinking about scratching it up so I can't trade it off.
The grip safety on the XD is a plus to me. As has been stated it is easy to reholster without depressing it.
I have read of many ad's with Glock or Glock style pistols when reholstering.
I think everyone should just get what is right for them. If you don't like the grip safety on the XD maybe you should check out Glock, M&P or one of the other polymer striker fired pistols. We are fortunate that we have many different high quality, reliable platforms to choose from. It's just a matter of each person figuring out what works best for them.
I have read of many ad's with Glock or Glock style pistols when reholstering.
I think everyone should just get what is right for them. If you don't like the grip safety on the XD maybe you should check out Glock, M&P or one of the other polymer striker fired pistols. We are fortunate that we have many different high quality, reliable platforms to choose from. It's just a matter of each person figuring out what works best for them.
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dom1104 said:
There's a shining example of the type of posting that makes a thread worthless. There is no analysis of facts of a situation whatsoever. Don't bother telling anybody your experience with either gun either. That's helps us all out...not.
You may not like my posts above because you're a fanboy of XD or whatever, but at least I gave my experience and some facts.
76shuvlinoff
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I'm on my 3rd XD. Never had a problem with the grip safety. Is it necessary? Necessary for what? I'm dang comfortable with it so for me.... Yep.
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