BMF500
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I like to have some sort of external safety mechinism on my SA handguns.
is that xd grip safety really necessary?
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angel1216
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i knew a friend who was a friend of his friend was shaking so much when in a defensive situation that he couldn't grip the XD tight to make it go bang. yeah too much safety!!!!
Straight Shooter
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angel1216,
I've heard this argument before, more along the line of "what if you're injured and can't get a good grip". I see your point, however, considering the very long history of the 1911 with a grip safety, if this was a common problem the grip safety would have been removed long ago.
Specifically to your example, I believe that in a life and death situation most people would be crushing the grip.
I've heard this argument before, more along the line of "what if you're injured and can't get a good grip". I see your point, however, considering the very long history of the 1911 with a grip safety, if this was a common problem the grip safety would have been removed long ago.
Specifically to your example, I believe that in a life and death situation most people would be crushing the grip.
angel1216
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i heard from a friend who knows a friend that works for a police department that wont allow 1911's for their service weapon. in a tense situation he forgot the safety was on!
hey straightshooter, have you had a life and death situation? with 3 of them in the last year, and the only thing we can do is "REACT" the last thing on your mind is a grip safety,thumb safety or any safety at all. believe me brother in a life and death situation you will be shaking like a MF! i was down to my ankles!!!!! and i almost dropped the freaking gun!!!!
hey straightshooter, have you had a life and death situation? with 3 of them in the last year, and the only thing we can do is "REACT" the last thing on your mind is a grip safety,thumb safety or any safety at all. believe me brother in a life and death situation you will be shaking like a MF! i was down to my ankles!!!!! and i almost dropped the freaking gun!!!!
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LightningMan
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Hate to throw a monkey in the wrench, but some XD's like my .45 has a manual thumb safty too, in addition to the grip safty. LM
REAPER4206969
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The grip safety, like most "features" of the HS2000 is a marketing gimmick aimed at new/inexperienced/un confident shooters.
REAPER4206969
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Read the recent thread on Arfcom where a member was robbed and shot in the hand. He had trouble returning fire on his assailant because of the grip "safety" on his 1911.
REAPER4206969
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Wrong.
REAPER4206969
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It was a Glock 23. He pulled the trigger.
Straight Shooter
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Are you pulling my leg here?
Giving the benefit of the doubt...
We were discussing the grip safety not the thumb safety. You don't need to remember the grip safety. If you grip your gun, it's off.
No, but IMO someone in a tense situation would over grip not under grip (both being the wrong thing to do).
easyg
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No, the XD's grip safety is NOT necessary.
What is necessary is for the shooter to have good trigger discipline regardless of the type of firearm.
What is necessary is for the shooter to have good trigger discipline regardless of the type of firearm.
Straight Shooter
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If you are injured to the point that you cannot use your gun, for whatever reason, that's not the guns fault, switch hands. Again, I think this is the exception not the rule. If the platform didn't work it would not have lasted as long as it has.
Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are new, inexperienced or unconfident.
There are many platforms that use no external safeties, decockers, thumb safeties, grip safeties or a combination. All are popular.
To believe that the only correct platform is the one that you use is arrogent/ignorant.
BMF500
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I don't think it was a gimmick when the 1911 was designed....
REAPER4206969
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The HS2000 is not a 1911.
REAPER4206969
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Look at SA's ads and the comments from owners. It is clear who SA is marketing to.
Gungnir
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Yup a marketing gimmick for the new, inexperienced and low confidence Croatian army who had just beaten the Yugoslav and Bosnian Serbs.
pinned grip safety
With regard to quickly drawing a gun in competition, many 1911s have their grip safety pinned (i.e. permanently off).
You would think that with the thousands of repetitions that active USPSA shooters go through in a year, pinning the grip safety would be an oddity.
With regard to quickly drawing a gun in competition, many 1911s have their grip safety pinned (i.e. permanently off).
You would think that with the thousands of repetitions that active USPSA shooters go through in a year, pinning the grip safety would be an oddity.
That so many are duped into believing Glocks are "high capacity revolvers" is the real gimmick. A marketing one.
A pistol line that has to have a holster as its "fourth safety" isn't as inherently safe as its cheerleaders make it out to be.
A pistol line that has to have a holster as its "fourth safety" isn't as inherently safe as its cheerleaders make it out to be.
jakemccoy
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Boats said:
So, you don't really need or use the Four Safety Rules as much as someone with a Glock.
In that case, yes, a grip safety on your XD is really necessary for you.
grubbylabs
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All I know is I know a guy who shot the tip of his friend off while putting his Glock in a holster. Never ran into any one who has done it with a XD
Lots of "Glock Legs" have been caused by foreign objects like windbreaker cinch toggles getting caught in the trigger guard upon reholstering, but go ahead and deny it so that your status as a kool-aid hawker is absolutely crystal.
BTW, I don't even like XDs, but the idiotic anti-grip safety arguments are what they are.
Anyone too weak or injured to grip an XD or 1911A1 positively enough to fire it is certainly going to limp wrist their Glock into a single shot at best. Aim it well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsewsolPyBU
BTW, I don't even like XDs, but the idiotic anti-grip safety arguments are what they are.
Anyone too weak or injured to grip an XD or 1911A1 positively enough to fire it is certainly going to limp wrist their Glock into a single shot at best. Aim it well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsewsolPyBU
LeontheProfessional
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Apparently not, if it does not even prevent drop fires.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=9810809
jakemccoy
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Boats said:
Cool, throw in some standard put-down language. Never mind what I said about me having over two years of holstering experience with a Glock 27 in a Smart Carry. Since, between you and me, I have more authority on the usage of Glocks, I will say again that a Glock 27 is not unsafe. Why don't you memorize my posts and be on the correct side of the Internet rumors.
Boats said:
Well, let's see. My girlfriend is a girlie girl with the most girlie wrists and arms that one could imagine. She can shoot my Glock 27 with one hand without any discussion of locking the wrist.
You seem to base your Glock opinions on what you've read. I base my Glock opinions on what I've experienced. I don't blame you though. Before I became experienced with Glocks, I used to have the same hyperbolic, erroneous opinions you have.
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