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Discussion in 'Legal' started by Powderman, Dec 12, 2006.

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  1. Powderman

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    Note well, the gradual sidling up to the plate of our two democratic darlings, Hillary and Obama.

    Does anyone NOT think that they will run for office--more than likely as a President/Vice President ticket?

    Oh, yes they will.

    So, I know that there are a LOT of people who will declare that they will "vote their conscience"--but look at the facts here, people:

    What did 8 years of Clinton bring us?

    The Assault Weapon Ban
    The 1986 Machine Gun Ban
    The Importation Ban

    So, what else do you want?

    Mark my words, if these two--if EITHER one of them makes it into office, we are going to have SERIOUS problems.

    Unless another party--or an Independent--draws national conservative support, in SIGNIFICANT numbers, the only thing to do is to swallow the pill and vote Republican.

    No, I'm not happy with them either--BUT CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVE.
     
  2. LS

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    What does 1986 Machine Gun Ban have to do with Clinton? Same goes for the importation ban.
     
  3. Erebus

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    Aroo?

    While I agree with most of what you say keep credit where it's due. Regan signed that piece of tripe.

    Voting Republican isn't exactly the best solution. It may not be a solution at all. Bush said if a new AWB got to his desk he would sign it. It may not take until 2008 to get a new AWB on the president's desk and he isn't running for reelection so what does he care if he can score brownie points with the dems by signing it?
     
  4. shaggycat

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    I agree completely. Hopefully we will get Romney or some fairly traditional conservative to run, but given the choice between McCain vs Obama or Hilary vs Rudy, I am going to vote Republican, despite the fact that I don't like any of those 4 candidates.

    I will vote for the lesser of two evils. That is what I did in 04 as well. Not voting or voting for a Libertarian, whose principles follow mine more closely, is a frivilous waste of a vote. It is like voting for myself as a write-in candidate. If I did that, of course that vote is going to someone with whom I agree, but it accomplishes absolutely nothing. I am unwilling to see what Obama or Hillary would do in office.
     
  5. bg

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    Bingo. Dark days ahead skipper..
     
  6. The Grand Inquisitor

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    I don't know why anyone gets all hot and bothered about stuff like this. Not only has Hillary become one of the most moderate Democratic Senators (if you disagree, prove me wrong---there have even been complaints from the liberal base that she has become too conservative since she was blasted during her Health-care years) but she is a woman, and this nation is just not ready to elect a woman.

    That said, Barak Obama is black, and this nation is not yet ready to elect a black man yet.

    Everyone bristles when I say this, but everyone knows it is true - most people outside of the major urban areas will not vote for a non-White, non-Christian non-male.


    Also, Barak Obama is the star senator for the moment, but he's had no hard times as a national politican. He ran against wet-noodle carpetbagger Alan Keyes in the Illinois Senate election, and since then he was done nothing but speechify about difficult and challenging issues like "hope" and "daring to dream".

    Some slower witted people have decided to call him by his middle name "Hussien".....oooooooooo), but that's not worth much. What will be worth plenty though are his drunken incidents as a young man, beating his wife, and other things, that will come up during the election (none of those things are true...but they seem to be the typical "gotcha" issues that get brought up in every presindetial election).
     
  7. Dan from MI

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    Look at what Hitlery and Osama have voted for - last year.

    The AWB, gun show ban, and banning all centerfire ammunition which an attorney general says penetrates a vest - with the .30-30 specificaly targeted.

    And no, I won't vote for McCain either.
     
  8. Coronach

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    Right now, Obama is an idea. Having said nothing of substance but a lot of glittering generalities, he is appealing to a lot of people merely because he is the most charismatic man on the national stage who does not have an R beside his name (to be fair, he might just be the most charismatic man on the national stage, regardless of D,R or I status). The shine will begin to fade, however, once he has to actually articulate issue positions in detail. The question of how much will come off, however, is up in the air.

    The media is portraying him as a true centrist, his issue positions, as given thus far and from his scant voting record, are those of a traditional leftist, and there's really not much that we know about him. I think he appeals to Democrats in much the same way McCain appealed to Republicans the last time around. They sure don't know much about him, but boy can he give a speech. *swoon*

    Hillary is much more of a known quantity. She's "become" a centrist, because it advantages her to do so. Once there is no penalty to her being a leftist, I fully expect her to revert to form.

    The Republicans must put forward someone of substance, who can communicate, or they will lose this next election. Period. I fully believe that the USA is ready to elected a black man or a woman. I'm just saddened that it might be one of these two. Or both.

    Mike
     
  9. Mornard

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    Grand Inquisitor - you're dead on...
    "and this nation is just not ready to elect a woman.

    That said, Barak Obama is black, and this nation is not yet ready to elect a black man yet."

    No prejudice, just reality...
     
  10. Biker

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    Nope, I don't have to vote for the Pubs, and I doubt I will. Time to send out some more IMs.

    Biker
     
  11. General Geoff

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    I'll most likely be voting Libertarian, just as I did in the 2004 election.
     
  12. Thefabulousfink

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    I disagree that America is not ready to elect a woman or minority President (although I have heard that opinion from several others). I think it would be a hard fought campaign, and require a charismatic and unifying politician. Fortunately, neither Clinton or Obama seem to fit that bill. Even more fortunately, the Democrats don't seem to realize that fact.

    If we are lucky, Clinton and Obama will dominate the Dem party up to the primary. The presense of Clinton and Obama might keep some of the more viable anti-gun candidates from running (so not to steel their thunder). Then two things might happen; 1, a moderate, pro-gun Dem pulls ahead at the primary:rolleyes: , or 2, Clinton or Obama wins the primary and becomes the Dem candidate.

    If we are REALLY lucky, Clinton will win the primary and Obama will rebel and run as an independent. Clinton is too devisive to win a majority of the popular vote and Obama has that "Golden Boy" star power to pull the more liberal dems away from Hillary. If the Dems don't get their act together, split and run 2 anti-gun candidates it will work in our favor.

    Now the Republicans: People keep saying "Bush said he would sign the AWB", but forget that it was a republican congress and senate that kept the bill from his desk. Now the republicans are on the ropes, and they can't afford to start alienating their base. If the gun issue comes up, I'd bet money that the Reps will be (nominally) on our side, if just to get votes. One thing the Republican party is good at is focusing the entire party around its platfrom while the Dems are all over the map. Because of this, I doubt that McCain or Rudy will make it through the primary.
     
  13. Fastlane

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    As much as I dislike the Republicans I voted straight Republican in the 2006 election except for Dewine and then I didn't vote for the Dems, I just didn't vote. There is noway I could ever vote for Hillary and Obama. I am really disapointed in my party but you can' throw the baby out with the bath water.
     
  14. SJG26

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    Worse case scenario..............

    Imagine a Obama/Hillary prez/VP ticket---------------imagine they win------------and imagine in very short order some tragedy will befall the new Prez leaving whom to ascend????:what:

    Not as far-fetched as you may think considering many of the mysterious "deaths" of Clinton associates.
     
  15. EttenBoom

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    What everyone should really be concerned about is whether or not the Republicans are ever going to wake up and figure out why they got voted out of the Legislature in 06.

    It's either that or the hope it only takes two years for the people to realize
    the Dems are also corrupt do-nothings who would rather "lead" than represent.
     
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    SJG, those "mysterious deaths" turned out to be, not to put too fine a point on it, lies. Complete, knowing fabrications of "The Arkansas Project". No matter how many times the truth was told afterwards the evil work had already been done. And you are one of the victims.
     
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    Not to throw around the "racist" word, but that is one of the most bigoted, ill-informed things I've read outside the realm of liberal blogs and forums in quite a while.

    There is no more racism in America as the mainstream media would have you believe - aside from the systemic, institutionalized variety. There is more black on black racism ("Uncle Tom" hating) than there is white racism against blacks. There

    This country is capable of electing a black man or a black woman, if they are qualified for the job. Obama is barely a man - he's a purebred politician - and is an amateur one at that. He is barely senatorial material let alone Presidential. You might as well suggest that John Thune run for President - it would be equally humorous to do so.
     
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    Re: the Republican potentials, I comment on that briefly here, in context to a poll on preferred Republican candidates, but it's longer than I want to copy here in entirety:

    Against Obama and and Hillary, I'd say Romney looks like a saint. Heck, he looks like a saint compared to McCain. McCain vs. Hillary? I'd be hard pressed to vote for either; I think I'd have to see a personal financial benefit resulting from my vote to vote at all, were those the choices.
     
  19. medic_guns

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    Obama is for abortion and I could never vote for anyone that is for abortion
     
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    It may be racist and bigoted (more against the country as a whole than any minority), but that doesn't mean it might not be true. I have been hearing similar statements from all kinds of people, many of whom I would not consider racist. I also have encountered a minority (small but still present) who outright state that they wouldn't vote for a woman or minority.

    You may not see much racism in you everyday life; thanks to Affirmitive Action and civil suits it has been removed from public life, but I promise you it is still in many people's minds.

    While I don't entirely believe that America isn't ready to elect a woman/minority Pres, I know that many people would either consiously or sub-consiously vote against one.


    P.S. Just because you say "America isn't ready" doesn't mean that you are racist, simply that you are aware of the racism that is there.
     
  21. mordechaianiliewicz

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    I think America is ready to elect a woman. I think America is ready to elect a black man. That doesn't meanit would be easy or close for the Democrats.

    The problem with Obama/Hillary (or vice versa) for us is the fact that Obama has a halo he's about to throw into the ring. America will vote for a black man who seems more white than he is black. And that pretty much sums up Obama.

    His dad is African, not an American black man. His mother is white, and he is well, light skinned. When he talks, it is with an upper class American English, the type you get from high education, which he has gotten. Basically, I'm saying that Obama is non-threatening to Americans.

    There is a difference between skin colour and culture. Obama smells white, and that will get support.

    America may be ready to vote for Obama, but they are not, nor will they ever be ready for 50 Cent.

    But, can Obama convince enough Americans? Based upon the issues?

    That is what it really comes down to. Can he? Because if he articulately states why the Communist Manif- I mean the Democratic Party Platform is the way to go, America might say "screw you." He might be totally upfront about his support of gun bans, he might be totally upfront about his desire for greater foreign aid, and he might be totally upfront about his support of abortion under all circumstances. Question is: Will he be honest about the fact he is a liberal Democrat, and not a moderate?

    That may well decide the election.

    But not his colour. That is more or less irrelevant.
     
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    I don't think this is true. What is true is that we aren't ready to elect an uber liberal black man yet, thank heavens. I would vote for Condi in a heartbeat, and I think a black man of impeccable conservative/libertarian credentials could get elected.
     
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    Barak Hussein Obama is a flash in the pan and will be forgotten after the primaries. Hillary Rodham Clinton is another matter and won't simply disappear that easily. She does not, however, have what it takes to go the distance. She has too much baggage and too little substance. I think she's far less electable than either Gore or Kerry.
     
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    And this is precisely why it is critical to prop up SCOTUS with BOR-respecting Justices. And why it is imperative to shore up States' rights. It is all about protecting minority rights in a hard time. In the end we may have to secede. Neither the demographic nor the cultural trends are favorable.
     
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    Hillary and Obama may win over a majority of American voters but that won't change how well their policies work either at home or abroady. If Americans want to close their eyes and suck their thumbs while the world burns, so be it. At that point it won't matter who's in the White House.
     
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