just got attacked by same dog again! (pics)

[10-Ring]

A couple years ago, I too was attacked by neighbor's dogS in SoCal. I ended up charging him w/ dr's bill & reporting incident to animal control. AC ended up quarentining the dogs (at owner's expense) and fining the owner for having unlic. animals.
If I got attacked again by the same dogs 2X, I'd do what I could to have those dogs removed from the neighborhood. There are just way to many things that can go wrong w/ uncontrollable dogs.

 

[BigO01]

And when that Rott gets chewed up, silverlance will be in the other guys shoes. Lawsuit for damages, possible harrasment charges, and insurance fraud. You have no right to create life threatening or donagerous situations because you have a grudge with someone. You do not have a right to intimidate your neighbors. You are a fool if you create a situation where it appears that you might have intentionally defrauded an insurance company and are trying to do so again.

No Sir he would not be in the other guys shoes because he would be walking his dogs on a leash on the street in which he lived . AS long as he and his pets stayed comfined durring their walk to public ground he has every right to walk around the block or anywhere on public property for that matter .
Harrasment ? Only if he made some verbal comments that induced a fight between the dogs or he and the owner of the dog .

Fraud LOL you realy shouldn't watch so many TV dramas , as stated above he has every right to take a walk with his dog/dogs what is creating the situation is the other dogs owner allowing it to run unrestrained Fraud isn't even a consideration even in La La California . And since he has pictures of his and his dogs wounds it certainly wasn't fraud the first time now was it ?

Just because you get sued doesn't mean you are going to lose .

Silver forget the Taser toys , you realy don't want to try to get your hand that near two dogs fangs as they are fighting it out , and if they moved to fast for you , you could tase your own dog , now if you could get ahold of a cattle prod HMM now that might be worth thinking about .

 

[TallPine]

Im not going to just shoot any god that growls at me

Me too - I've heard that most gods are impervious to bullets

 

[roo_ster]

silverlance:

I'm sorry for you & your pup's injuries. I hope you both recover quickly. Don't worry about Stalin's hangdog attitude. He'll perk up as he heals & the pain lessens. He'll also do better after the funky collar is history. Be happy to know you own a dog that has the guts to jump into the thick of it when the going gets rough.

If I were in the situation I think that the owner owes you for med bills, at the very least. He did damage & ought to make it right.

I would also contact the proper authorities. If they were Johnny-on-the-spot & effective, I might not sic a lawyer on the owner if he paid all med bills.

Unfortunately, the authorities are NOT ($25?!?!?) doing what needs to be done: punish the owner and see that the owner does not allow his dogs to do this ever again. In this situation, I would contact a lawyer. The owner needs to have impressed upon him that his actions are unacceptable.

It could just have easily been a neighborhood kid that got tore up, likely worse since kids are nearly as quick as dogs. Think on that. The owner needs to be stopped from allowing his dog to endanger others. If local officialdom won't impose penalty and redress for injurious action, it is up to the private citizens.

What I would NOT do:
Contact the owner. If he was a decent kinda guy that stepped on his wanker once and did you damage, I would talk. But this guy has allowed this situation to persist & needs a swift kick in the jimmy.

Good luck to you & Stalin.

 

[silverlance]

yup it's official

the dog and the owner have gone into hiding/seclusion. his car is no longer in the driveway and the dog is not at the house anymore (no barking, yard is empty..)

i have two of his phone calls to me recorded, acknowledging that the attack did occur (although he tries to make it sound as if fault lies with "the dogs" and not him). i also have a witness, an out of state visitor (not mine) who happened to be across the street.

i also have testimony from other neighbors that his dog is aggressive, and that he would frequently walk the dog without a leash.

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as for stalin:

it's very touch and go. he won't let anyone clean his wounds, he runs away from me and he would rather rip his own wounds open than let anyone touch him. i grabbed him today (a feat since i have an injured left) at the vet's and they could not clean him at all. then when i got home my injured hand started tingling... not a good sign.. i cannot use my left hand again like that.

still has a lot of brusing, drains cannot come out yet. i will be grabbing him with my m8 each day for a spray-down with HyroPerox, but it really freaks him out and it's only a matter of time before he will refuse to let me get near him.

i'm also having a hard time getting him to eat his pills, i spent $40 on doggie sausage and pill pockets today with very limited sucess. to put this in perspective this dog used to eat pizza crusts thrown at him from across the room by catching them in his mouth in mid-air.

my own fingers are coming along ok, but taking baths instead of showers is a very odd experience for me. i'm also having a hard time keeping my left hand rightly clean, but hopefully things will work out and the silver sulfadiazine cream will do its job.

thanks for all the thoughts all.

will keep you all posted.

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my current carry weapon is a big stick. i want to carry my mauser bayonet (about 10" blade), but will have to check ca law.

if i am to stick with the big stick i will need to borrow a shaver to sharpen it to a semi-point.

 

[Jim March]

Any stick carried as anything OTHER than a walking stick/cane is a felony baton in California!!! ESPECIALLY a purpose-made baton.

Me, I'd have fed that neighbor's dog a strychnineburger by now.

 

[gunsmith]

an unconcealed big knife

is better then a big stick, any kind of big stick is a felony.
a police issue night stick is a felony, a concealed loaded handgun
is a misdeammeanor.

See Jim march's page "equal rights for ccw"

 

[silverlance]

wow.

i wonder what's the biggest knife one can carry around unconcealed on a holster?

i'll go read your site again, jim.

it's been a year or two.

 

[Sgt Stevo]

I should lend you One of the dogs we dont put on the website. Area gaurd types. I have a pit we use for "special' jobs. He would end the rott problem. And it would be ironic. Also good exersize for malice. thats his name. malice.

Dont be gettin all sissy on us though. Smakin a little dog could get you in trouble. save it for when you need it.

I had abig dog bite threw the sleave on me a month or so ago. I could not feel my hand for a couple of weeks. Thats just a pinched nerve. I dont go to docs unless they hit an artery. malice is at a salvage yard tonight. I dropped him off and it made me think of you. Funny. I wish I was closer, I love too fight dogs. I could put on an under shirt sleave then beat him down when he attacks. we could video it too , be good in court. And it would be fun for the whole family. It would be easy to find this dog dude. I am sure he was on lease or something. Well, feel better. Pour rubbing alcohal on that hand. It will sting a little but it will heal. Also ducktape is what we usually use. That way you can keep working..

 

[crofrog]

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=CS91WACX

"Cold Steel Walkabout 38" Walking Stick Solid Ash Wood"

If anyone ask about it, which is illegal mind you. You need it to walk. If the push the issue kindly remind them about the ADA and how they are discriminating against people with disablitys.

This is also airplane legal.

 

[Rafterman191]

Obligation

I would feel it was my obligation to keep the area safe. Dog is def an extremely dangerous animal. The way you describe it, it would maime or kill a child if under the wrong circumstance. I say a pound of ground beef with springs cut up in it.

 

[ugaarguy]

Folks,

There have been many suggestions made here to deal with the dog that attacked Lance & Stalin in some ways that are illegal and immoral. I understand that this dog is a danger and that there is a moral obligation to keep the neighborhood safe from it. However, poison, spings in ground beef, etc. are illegal, immoral, and cruel. The owner of the vicious dog in question is definitely being reckless and irresponsible by not controlling or euthanizing the animal. His irresponsibility does not give Lance a free ticket to take the law into his own hands. Stooping to the agressive dog owner's level takes away the moral high ground Lance now firmly stands on. Lets keep this High Road. Lance I encourage you to fight this thru the legal system, namely with an attorney in civil court. If losing a large sum of money and/or his homeowners insurance does not awaken the owner to take responsibility for his agressive and uncontrolled dog then I would begin to consider other things. I can't imagine the difficulty you are in with your best friend and self being wounded by this dog and the local authoroties doing nothing. I also gather from your posts that you are a man of charecter who takes it as a personal ethical responsibility to protect yourself, your dog, and your neighbors from this other vicious dog. If your actions in court do not remedy the situation at the very least walk around the neighborhood and talk to and warn your neighbors about the dog. You may also consider calling into the local media's watchdog (no pun intended) type reporters and tell them how the police, animal control, and health services gave you the run around and offered little to no help. Your 2nd amendment may be infringed where you live preventing self defense, but use the 1st amendment to create awareness and pressure the authoroties to act. If all this fails then I would begin weighing the morality/ethics of taking an illegal action to safeguard yourself and others from this dog versus allowing him to remain uncontrolled and not risking illegal action. I hope it does not come to that point. If it does I will trust your choice of action or inaction and support your decision either way. You are in the situation, not I, and you may have to make that choice. I and the others here at THR support you and wish you the best in resolving this as peacefully and swiftly as possible. My thoughts and prayers are with you and Stalin for a speedy recovery and peaceable resolution.

 

[sacp81170a]

Silverlance:

To get Stalin to take his pills without spittin' em out, try a little cream cheese. It's sticky enough that the won't be able to separate the tablets or capsules out and if a dog will eat at all, they'll *wollf* down the cream cheese. I've done this with lots of sick or injured dogs, and they've all loved it without exception. Plus, they think they're gettin' a treat and they'll love ya for it.

 

[Trip20]

malice is at a salvage yard tonight. I dropped him off and it made me think of you. Funny. I wish I was closer, I love too fight dogs. I could put on an under shirt sleave then beat him down when he attacks. we could video it too , be good in court. And it would be fun for the whole family.

Bolding mind.

I hope this is an attempt at humor...

I say a pound of ground beef with springs cut up in it.

There’s nothing wrong with doing away with dangerous or problem animals, but it should be done in a humane manner. Idiot suggestions like this reflect very poorly on those who put them forth whether in jest, or in sincerity.

 

[Sgt Stevo]

Relax

Part humer, kinda funny. But I do fight dogs for a living. As far as having one of our area gaurds end this dog. Not gonna happen. bad humer. But kinda funny.

Giving a dog springs, not funny. Kinda evil. And i doubt there will be a clear end to this.

Sucks his dog got hurt . Did not have to happen.

If stalin will not take his pills, get your doc to give him liquid. Much easier. I will stay off this one . Too close home for me. Good luck bud.
.

 

[vynx]

Hi Silverlance - I live in the Valley also. No dog problems yet tho.

I believe in cal. you cannot carry a fixed blade knife but any length folder is allowed - maybe not in LA (some cities have their own laws) but I occasionally carry a Camillus Cuda Max...look it up its 5.5" of blade and flicks open super fast.

When I walked my dogs I always carried something for protection - a ballpeen hammer or a knife.

BTW, there is a court between small claims and superior court that allows you to sue up to $25,000 (small claims is $5,000 I believe). Check out a california courts website - you will find the links.

Best of luck with your dog...they can take a lot and when they heal they forget it fast (unlike us humans).

 

[Jim March]

You know what? The vicious dog in question needs to die. OK? It's a basic threat to the neighborhood...man and beast, as proven.

Most of y'all know I'm a serious animal lover. BUT in this case, legal remedies that would involve humanely putting the thing down aren't in the cards. In a sane world, law enforcement and/or animal control would get involved but, they don't give a damn.

I said "strychnineburger" rather than springs, as I think the former is the most humane solution possible under these nasty circumstances. And I won't take back that opinion.

 

[Cosmoline]

March, going over to another man's property and throwing poison meat to his dog is a serious crime. Possibly a felony. It's a profoundly stupid suggestion, and if anyone is dumb enough to do it they deserve all the punishment they'll get. And they might end up in a whole lot more trouble than they realize. It doesn't take too much imagination to see how a poisoned dog can lick a person in the mouth when the person is comforting it. Then you're off to the happy fun land of ATTEMPTED MURDER.

I'll say it again, GO GET A LAWYER. The man appears to have a fine case. But if he goes around trying to poison dogs or knife dogs or fight the owner he's not only going to lose that option he'll land in prison. Some of you guys are doing your best to prove some of my personal opinions of people from that place. Remember that old story about how the people who could read went to Oregon and the ones who couldn't went to California?

 

[Jim March]

There's not going to be a civil remedy unless he pays for the lawyer himself - I doubt the dollar value here is high enough to interest an attorney. I could be wrong, and he should check.

But.

The real issue here is that "the proper authorities" aren't taking public safety seriously.

You position appears to be that when that is the case, when there is a threat to the community that "the authorities" refuse to deal with, "we the people" can't.

That position is how and why society is falling apart.

If the poison in question was something super-toxic, on the order of Ricin or the like you'd have a point about potentially poisoning more than just the dog. But basic gopher pellets? No, they're not in the same category.

 

[TamThompson]

Responding to the original post:

I would approach the owner and seek payment for your vet bills and medical bils, but given what's happened TWICE in front of that house, I would do it by sending him a letter with copies of the bills enclosed (I would NOT go up to the door--you might get attacked a third time). This is also good in that it creates a paper trail should a lawyer be needed--it shows you tried to settle this yourself.

Two things I must say, though:

1. I can't believe you walked past that house AGAIN after being attacked there once.

2. Why on earth would you name your dog after a Communist dictator???

 

[KINGMAX]

GET a GOOD Lawyer

First choice = Get a GOOD Lawyer - sue the daylights out of him. If he has a homeowners policy he my have some sort of liability insurance included in it.

Second choice = a pound of hamburger soaked in anti-freeze - not for you, for the rott !!!!!!!!!! can you say 'night - night'

 

[Optical Serenity]

File a police report, and go from there.

 

[silverlance]

Update on everything

Sorry for not replying for a while, but had to take care of business, what with the school year starting (I teach HS), my dog needing care, my left hand still not able to close into a fist completely...

Our Condition:

Stalin:
Still has stitches in him. Very hard to remove dried blood as he his highly hydrophobic and will break his own stitches in order to get away from the hydrogen peroxide, water swab, etc. I have been waiting for them to dry, then peeling them off as best as I can. Wounds are dry, now, and drains have been removed. Turns out the "two" drains were actually one contiguous piece. Poor guy had 9 inches of rubber tubing in his body. He still has the funnel on him because I'm afraid he'll try to bite out his own stitches if I take it off. The funnel has rubbed off about 5 inches of fur in a band around his neck; his condition has been exacerbated by his skin condition which causes his snout to itch horribly. Since I can't give him his steroids anymore because of his injuries (steroids lower immune system), the poor guy has been trying to scratch his own nose but can't, and just winds up ripping out his own fur. When I'm home I can stop him but I have to work. He has lost a lot of weight, eats somewhat but I am not taking him out for walks anymore as he gets very exciting and winds up overexerting himself. More on street situtation later. Cost of care so far: >$1000

Me:
Hand still hurting when trying to fully fist. Wounds are dry and seem to be healing but there is a groove where I got cut. Hopefully it will fill out or lifting weights will not be in the near future. Looks like hell. Fingers still slightly swollen. >$500

I have two witnesses now, both of which will testify that I was not at fault at all. One is a neighbor, other is an out of town salesman from idaho.

The rottweiler is back. Neighbor reported to me today that during a walk with wife he saw the dog on lawn again, leashed with a clothesline to stake that the old guy had staked into the ground. He wisely chose to take his wife across the street instead of trusting his well being to a clothesline.

I went to talk to the old guy tonight at about 8. He apologied but when I started showing him documentation (he didn't get to keep any papers) he said that "I know my dog, he does not do anything... your dog must have jumped first.. I remember your dog jumped on my dog last year (when his dog was ALSO not on a leash)..." I told him that I can't pay anymore, that my doctor has recommended that I get his house insurance so they can file with them and nobody will have to pay anything.

He told me that the house is his daughter's (he may have transferred it recently.. he had disappeared with his dog for a week), and that he's an old man living off of social security with his wife who is also retired. He said that after he talks to his daughter, maybe he can do a "little something".

I thanked him for his time, and left quite angry. I understand that he may be telling the truth, but I cannot excuse him simply because he may not be wealthy. To put things in perspective, houses on my block are selling for $660-760K.

I talked to two lawyers, both of whom want me to find out if he has House Ins. I also need to find out the name of his daughter. No one will take the case if there is no deep pocket here. It is also unlikely that anyone will take the case if I do not suffer grievous life-shattering injury. I hope I don't, but at the same time I have roughly 4mm grooves running across the median joints of all four left fingers. The most deeply injured finger tingles every once in a while.. I hope there is no nerve damage. I am in the interesting position of getting well and no case, or getting a case and permanently injured. Not that I get a choice, anyway...

I bought two online books about dog bites. I will print them out this week and try to read then again. I still do not blame the dog - he's an animal. However, neglect and irresponsible training have turned this dog into a real danger. I received a long letter from Animal control today and will do my best to fill it out. Later today or tomorrow I will post further pictures and a scan of the form.

I hope that my experience will help those of you who thankfully have not had to deal with this be better prepared for such.

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ps.

I don't know what to carry anymore. But I am placing an order for the Cold steel walking stick, and carrying 2oz sabre OC. I am also going to apply for a los angeles CCW, just to see.

 

[308win]

Sic the attorney on him. I don't know what you are waiting for as the more time passes the fuzzier memories get. If houses are in that range he is far from destitute.

 

[Master Blaster]

It doesnt matter if he owns the house, If the dog is living there the owner of the house is liable.

The Lawyers you talked to want you to find out if there is HO insurance??

Find a lawyer who specializes in personal injury. They will put a lein on the house for your medical bills, and contact the bank that holds the mortagage, a good lawyer who knows what he / she is doing will find out about the HO insurance for you, by looking up the title of the house, mortgage co etc at the recorder of deeds office. If the home owner's insurance carrier finds out about what happened they will beat a path to your door to settle with you. They will also notify the owner of the house and the mortgage Company, that the doggy goes immediatley, or they policy gets cancelled. The Mortgage company may then move to forclose if there is no HO insurance. If the owner owns the house outright, ITS LEIN time.

Pain and suffering punitive damages, at least a $50,000 lawsuit.

I really enjoy reading SGt Stevo's posts, but I have a real hard time believeing he trains dogs for a living, given some of his suggestions. His story about leaving a trained pit bull at a junkyard is well.....would get him fired from his job for sure, but maybe he is bad, bad Leroy Brown and I'm way off base.

In my state Delaware, the vicious dog law allows me to shoot that doggie dead on the spot if it attacks me my dog or any livestock. It also specifically says that I cannot be prosecuted crimminally or found liable civilly. CA has no such law, AfIk. But you do have to live in the neighborhood.

Despite what DE law may say deadly force is only a last resort. I'm sure that the law notwithstanding, I would be arrested, my gun confiscated and I would be charged with something, reckless endangerment for example should a shot miss. There is also the chance of hitting an innocent bystander. So deadly force is only to be used to protect human life.
My ASP has been quite effective, as long as I use all my might when I swing it and I aim for the dogs head.