Rott attack - on ME!

[LawDog]

I suggest reading "Fatal Dog Attacks: The Stories Behind the Statistics", by Karen Delise.

LawDog

 

[Lupinus]

Well lupinus, in this case both dogs rushed at each other.

Uhm, go read the origional post, see which dog started the attack. Of course no dog is going to sit there and be attacked its going to fight back, its a matter of which dog initiated the attack it it was the rot that got a flashlight over the head.

 

[Cosmoline]

It takes two to tango. If the Rott rushed out and the other dog rushed to meet him--that's mutual combat and it's been going on between male canines since there have been male canines. You could just as easily claim stinky started it by pissing off the Rott and challenging his turf. Besides, as I read the thread the Rott was on his master's property and didn't leave it. In that situation I wouldn't be too quick to start proffering complaints or suits. Better to just talk to the Rott's owner and work together as reasonable humans to keep the boys apart. This business of flying off and demanding that the other dog be put down is a perfect example of the kind of small-minded sue-happy attitude that's helped turn the US into a nation of lawyers. Far too few human males have the "hoden" to step up and deal with things anymore. It's all about running to the authorities to press some piddly claim.

 

[Lupinus]

ok so say I charged you and you just met me which one of us should go to jail? Just cause Ifelt like it and all. And Im not getting into that property crap with you agian.

 

[mongo]

Cucumber?

Yeah, I was kinda wondering about that too.

The major point here is that this dog was able/allowed to attack someone walking by on the sidewalk. I don't care if they were pissin' on the rosebush or whistling dixie. The owner of the Rott should be reported to the police and issued a citation or two. The attackee should also be reimbursed for the flashlight and if any vet bills were incurred. This situation is only a future newscast of a tragedy away. Here in Chicago land, a trio of pitts seriously mauled a boy and his father trying to protect him. This poor kid is still in intensive care and the father has over 40 stitches in his arm and leg. This kind of news makes me want to :banghead: and

 

[Cosmoline]

ok so say I charged you and you just met me which one of us should go to jail? Just cause Ifelt like it and all. And Im not getting into that property crap with you agian.

NOBODY should go to jail. It's just one of those things that can happen with dogs--they fight.

 

[Cosmoline]

Yeah, I was kinda wondering about that too.

The major point here is that this dog was able/allowed to attack someone walking by on the sidewalk. I don't care if they were pissin' on the rosebush or whistling dixie. The owner of the Rott should be reported to the police and issued a citation or two. The attackee should also be reimbursed for the flashlight and if any vet bills were incurred. This situation is only a future newscast of a tragedy away. Here in Chicago land, a trio of pitts seriously mauled a boy and his father trying to protect him. This poor kid is still in intensive care and the father has over 40 stitches in his arm and leg. This kind of news makes me want to :banghead: and

Good grief. I didn't see any mention of the rott biting either man nor beast. The poster busted a flashlight on his head. You would go complaining to the police over something as minor as two male dogs wanting to get into a fight? Good grief. To compare this with a dog mauling someone is way off base. Why not just deal with the problem with the neighbor face-to-face and just keep the dogs apart in future? But then again Chicago is a long, long way from the real world. They also believe guns cause crime over there.

 

[mongo]

It's not a question of two male dogs wanting to fight. It is the FACT that the Rott was able/allowed to come on the attack in the first place. The next time may not be so fortunate. The Rott's owner should be reported and cited.

 

[Cosmoline]

For what? The dog came out but didn't actually bite anybody. I honestly can't comprehend this desire to call the police or the animal control at the drop of a hat. Where's your pride? It's not like something has been stolen or someone hurt. Deal with it yourself! If you don't want to deal with the prospect of having to break up a dog fight, don't have a dog. It comes with the territory.

 

[Lupinus]

For what? The dog came out but didn't actually bite anybody.

So it's alright if I point a loaded gun at you so long as I don't pull the trigger? Just cause something didn't turn into a tragity doesn't mean it wasn't about to. Sorry if people don't want to wait for someones dog to die or a little kid to get mauled because oh he's jsut doing what comes natural

I honestly can't comprehend this desire to call the police or the animal control at the drop of a hat.

Drop of a hate? The mangey mutt attacked another dog and its owner that isn't drop of a hate. They just had a problem with the same dog the other day if the owner isn't properly securing or training his dog the dog needs to be taken care of.

It's not like something has been stolen or someone hurt.

No it just required bashing over the head with a big ass mag light to keep the beast back.

If you don't want to deal with the prospect of having to break up a dog fight, don't have a dog. It comes with the territory.

That is about the dumbist thing I have heard today and its been a day of good ones. So I own a dog that is well behaved trained and is properly secured or restrained and I just have to take other peoples violent animals attack him and I when we are simply out on a walk? What the heck are they putting in your water up there?

 

[Cosmoline]

So a dog is a "loaded gun" now? You remind me of the antis who are now trying to ban certain breeds of dogs as "assault dogs." The dog didn't bite anyone, and it appears its target was a rival male. I'm still waiting for any rational explanation of why this means it's going to kill a kid next.

You do have to expect that male dogs will want to fight each other. In this case it appears neither owner had their dog properly restrained. Live and learn.

Honestly, Lupinus, in spite of your name your really seem to have a chip on your shoulder about dogs.

 

[mongo]

Thank you Lupinus for seeing my point.
Cosmoline, you just don't get it.

 

[Cosmoline]

I guess I don't "get" why the cops should be called for a dog fight that was broken up where nobody got hurt other than the dogs.

But hey, complain away. Submit your complaints and proffer your suits. You'll have lots and lots of company these days. Neither men nor dogs are allowed to have brass ones these days. Even our dogs aren't allowed to bite anymore. They're supposed to be passive, limp little replacements for children.

BUCK UP AND DEAL WITH IT! Dogs fight sometimes. Maybe you'll get bit if they do. You gonna cry to the man about it? This country is rapidly losing what's left of its spine.

 

[Lupinus]

So a dog is a "loaded gun" now?

No, it is more dangerous. A loaded gun wont decide to shoot someone. This dog has more then once decided to attack and be violent.

You remind me of the antis who are now trying to ban certain breeds of dogs as "assault dogs."

How? No gun will decide on its own to shoot someone. NO GUN. A violent dog WILL decide on its own with no help from anyone or anything to attack someone. You can have an AK7, and M16, an Uzi, take your pick of banned firearm. It will in no way shape or form decide on its own to shoot someone. A violent dog will without any help from its owner.

The dog didn't bite anyone, and it appears its target was a rival male.

Just like if a human points a loaded gun at you and misses it hasn't hurt you. So should I be able to shoot a round over your head? Afterall it isnt hitting you.

I'm still waiting for any rational explanation of why this means it's going to kill a kid next.

Cause it is a VIOLENT animal. Hundreds of thousands of dogs don't attack other males when one does it is an unreasonable risk. Maybe it will only attack other dogs, Im not waiting to find out if it is a little girls face next anymore then Im willing to wait if someone will graduate from rape to to murder. If a dog is violent its violent plain and simple and there is zero reason for a dog that is violent for no reason. Someone breaks into your house that is one thing, but when it starts attacking people and their dogs walking down the sidewalk that is quite another.

You do have to expect that male dogs will want to fight each other. In this case it appears neither owner had their dog properly restrained. Live and learn.

No you don't. If my dog is jsut taking a leak and your dog rushs at my dog and I expect me to do everything in my power to see it gone from this earth. If not keep the damned thing properly confined this owner obviously cant.
And how in the heck was neither dog properly restrained? One was on a leash being walked the other escaped its yard for the one and only reason of ATTACK.

Honestly, Lupinus, in spite of your name your really seem to have a chip on your shoulder about dogs.

Actually I love dogs the only reason I dont have dogs at the moment is because of my current living situation it wouldn't be fair on them. What I don't tolerate is violent animals that attack people and their animals.

 

[silverlance]

well

i really can't say what should be done at this point - i don't really know, and i don't want to ruin my relationship with the neighbors (crazy as they may be) by siccing po-po on them. the way he treats his dog is his business, as long as he keeps that gate locked i'm ok with it. and yes, HE REALLY DOES DISCIPLINE HIS DOG WITH A CUCUMBER.

boggles my mind as to why he keeps fresh cucumbers around all the time, but i've seen him do this many times before. makes a wierd thudding sound when it hits the side of his rott, kinda like a drum.

oh, and i do believe that dogs are not people. stalin drinks fresh piss from my gf's yorkie, licks his own balls when bored, holds his piss for 10 hours, chases squirrels up trees, and loves trying to eat trash found in the street.

and i'm certain that the rott had good reason to be angry at stalin; they've never gotten along. i guess it's partially my fault, too.. i kind of always got a kick out of seeing my dog pee in front of the dog that charged me once before (twice now). i'll take your advice and not let him do that in the future.

i don't know if rotts and pitts have genetic predispositions (i do however think many humans do, but that's another dicey matter), but i am sure that if i treated my dog the same way that dumbfish does, he would be just as aggressive. at least that's what i belive, and all the books say.

 

[Cosmoline]

News flash, sparky: INTACT MALE DOGS FIGHT! Not always, but often. This does not make them "violent" or a danger to people. it means you have to watch out for other male dogs if you have an intact male. Like on the trail if another dog is coming I will often call out and ask if it's an intact male. If so one or the other of us will pull our dog up and off to the side while the other passes. This is an example of people being responsible. But sometimes you don't see it coming. Gates come open or the dog digs under a fence. It's nothing to go crying to the cops or animal control about. If you can't cope--DO NOT GET AN INTACT MALE DOG!

IIRC, you're the same fellow who was bragging in an earlier thread that you could kill any guard dog with your knife. That told me you didn't know much about dogs. In this thread you've launched out into an attack on various breeds you consider to be inherently dangerous, which is complete garbage and insulting to the owners. I think your reach continues to exceed your grasp.

 

[Ellie]

And here's a picture of my "worthless" pit bull competing in the Purina Incredible Dog Challenge, after curiously failing to even try to eat the audience.

ArmedBear - is that your useless wife in the photo with your useless dog?

This is true Cos, it's called genetics

Dude, I've know zillion of trainers and vets that LOVE pits, dobies, and rotties. Genetics are a factor in dog attacks, but relatively few dogs of these breeds are dangerous. To draw a parallel from human history: just because one african american man has raped a woman doesn't make all african americans brutal rapists (nb: sorry to be offensive, but I'm making a point about logical fallacies, and the point is clearer when it's extreme).

I'm all for putting down dangerous dogs, but banning any breed is ignorance, bigotry and hate. It is relatively easy to temprament test dogs: check out the American Temprament Testing Society. Pits pass at about an 83% rate. Collies at about 79%.

Oh, two more things. 1) You don't hear about collie attacks because they don't make front-page headlines as a BRUTAL PIT BULL ATTACK! and 2) people who are attacked by dogs are asked what kind of dog it was and this is what's put in the report. LOTS of mastif-breed dogs look like pits.

In summary: YES, there are some poorly bred dogs of all breeds that are dangerous. Put them down. We don't need those genes in the gene pool. There are also some pits/rotties/dobies that are the sweetest, bestest, most loving dogs on earth.

over and out.

 

[Ellie]

man, this girl just can't shut up

All three were bred for violent thing's and that was bred into them just like a herding instinct into dog's bred for that.

oh - and pits were originally bred to fight DOGS. To do that safely, they must never attack or even threaten a human. Breed standard says that.

I don't know much about the other breeds, but I doubt cops would use dobies and rots if they weren't highly trainable.

 

[Cosmoline]

and i'm certain that the rott had good reason to be angry at stalin; they've never gotten along. i guess it's partially my fault, too.. i kind of always got a kick out of seeing my dog pee in front of the dog that charged me once before (twice now). i'll take your advice and not let him do that in the future.

It's really just something that happens from time to time. Nothing to get too worked up over. It is funny to watch them posture with each other, but of course the humor stops when you've got to try to break them up as you discovered.

If a Rott actually gets ahold of another dog, chances are he will latch on and hold. That's the attack I've seen from most of them. If it ever happens the key is to pry the dogs apart from behind and above all make sure the Rott can't get another bite once the first is broken. Ideally you and the other owner can pull your own dogs apart hard on the tail . The tails won't break off don't worry. Then each owner can get a leash attached and back the dogs off. Most of the injuries from dog fights I've seen have looked worse than they were. Most large males will have a lot of loose skin and thick hair around their neck and shoulders preciselsly to protect themselves in fights. Most human injuries come when the person tries to put their hands between the dogs as they're fighting--which is a big mistake. The dogs at that point are operating on blind rage and will bite you without knowing it's you. Better to let your dog take some hits on its face and neck than risk your own hands. Believe me the dog can take a lot more punishment than you can. I've seen a male GSD with blood pouring off his face from injuries (in that case from jagged metal) wagging his tail wanting to play. I've seen the same dog cry like a wounded puppy when I even touch his nails with a trimmer. Go figure. They don't seem to have too many pain receptors in their faces and necks.

But I think you did good using a bashing object and hitting the Rott on the head. That seems to do the trick a lot with those guys.

 

[Lupinus]

Dude, I've know zillion of trainers and vets that LOVE pits, dobies, and rotties. Genetics are a factor in dog attacks, but relatively few dogs of these breeds are dangerous.

Didn't know there was a zillion people in the world let alone that you know. Interesting. They can love them all they want, I personaly find rots to be very beutiful animals. In fact one of the most beutiful of breeds. Perhaps given time for several more generations to be born I would even consider owning one. I simply do not trust that enough of their genetic instinct for violence has been bred from them.

I'm all for putting down dangerous dogs, but banning any breed is ignorance, bigotry and hate. It is relatively easy to temprament test dogs: check out the American Temprament Testing Society. Pits pass at about an 83% rate. Collies at about 79%.

And when a pit attacks it mauls. Collies when they attack nip or maybe give a bite or two. Collies are herding animals they are naturaly nippy. A nippy breed isnt going to disfigure someone. A mauling dog is. And I said diddly about banning, I said they are violent and that they are not pussycats. People portraying the breed as such are wrong. Not everyone is violent but the chance is far to high for me to trust them with my family. Said I will not own one, never said they should be banned. If I did it was i nthe middle of a rant I retract it with apologies.

1) You don't hear about collie attacks because they don't make front-page headlines as a BRUTAL PIT BULL ATTACK!

You also don't hear about it cause they don't latch on and maul people they nip or give a bite or two not maul.

2) people who are attacked by dogs are asked what kind of dog it was and this is what's put in the report. LOTS of mastif-breed dogs look like pits.

A mastiff looks like a pit? Ive never seen a mastif that looks like a pit. I've also never exactly noticed a mastiff to be the most populat dog on the block.

 

[onerifle]

Most people here at THR seem to have an open mind about most topics. Seems as if there has been a bit of a trend away from that of late...

I always find it amusing when people make blanket statements without supporting data, or worse, misinformation whether it's spouted by The Brady Bunch or the soccer mom anti-pitbull-assaultdog-why-would-anyone-own-such-a-dangerous-dog(gun) mob....

Dogs (and guns) that are owned by people that are irresponsible, ignorant, or criminal, make headlines.

Dogs (and guns) that are owned by people that are responsible, well informed, and law abiding, usually don't.


Any statements to the contrary are for the most part hyperbole, part of an agenda (hidden or otherwise), or simply incorrect.

 

[Geno]

Thanks, but no. I'll stick with my M6 Streamlight...lights on and lights out!

As an experienced "domestic pet attack vicitm" (cats & dogs), I can state with a passionate conviction, that in Michigan, many people strongly believe that this breed dog constitutes a devil that is simply unable to determine the precise directions to bowels of Hell. In such a situation as presented here, we are allowed to intervene, and to provide a "travel plan"...one way.

The light you mention is fine...but it won't fit on the rail of my .45, which is factually what the devil would have experienced as its last "vision" of me. My Surefire is 130 lumens + the laser. Turn the gun's light on; turn the dog's lights off.

For what it's worth, IMHO, it is highly imprudent to allow one's dog to "mark" the neighbor dog's property. Almost seems reasonable how the dogs (both) reacted. And my point? Imprudent human behavior can lead to unruly dog behavior. We shoot unruly dogs. But, what set off the chain of events?

Hardly seems fair, does it?!?!?! In other words, if you believe as I do, that God gave us animals, to be our company, to share our love and attention, and for us to care for and protect, perhaps we ought not taunt them. For what it's worth, our Boston Terriers are the sweetest, best trained dogs you can imagine.

Doc2005

 

[PistolPackin'Papa]

Bad dogs

I am sorry I missed all of the action about bad dogs. Have to say I agree with Lupinus. I have been a COP, a real estate broker, and an appraiser, I have been around a lot of people and a lot of dogs. (bitten also). I have only seen 1 pit, in all those years, that did not want a piece of me. (even with the owner being right there,) and that dog was about 2 months old. I am not an agressive person. I am not a wimp either. Some dogs just do not like some people, and they WILL ATTACK. Some of the comments today seen just as dangerious as Steve Irwin having his son in the croc cage last Spring and then acting like "No big deal." If that is your attitude towards bad dogs, fine. This is a free country. I hope for the sake of any potential children that you don't have any.

They don't call Pits, Dobies and Rotts attack dogs for nothing.

Pardon my bad spelling, but I get very upset when I become aware of people who think animals are more important than humans.

 

[Lupinus]

I think your ratio might be a tad high but other then that your points are right on. And as you say free country, someone wants to put their family with a timebomb its their buisness but that doesn't mean that you can say they are puppydogs doing what dogs do.

 

[Sindawe]

boggles my mind as to why he keeps fresh cucumbers around all the time

Perhaps he keeps/breeds plecos and other suckermouthed catfish?

Bad on the owner of the Rott for not keeping his animal contained.

Bad on Silverlance for letting his dog tag the Rotts territory.