Man defending home charged with murder

[TCB in TN]

You will rightly offer the homeowner innocence until proven guilty yet convict the cops in the court of public opinion before any real trial has begun. That's pretty hypocritical and pathetic behavior from a bunch of alleged freedom loving Libertarians!

No I just have a huge problem with the Government using a sledge hammer to SWAT (pun certainly intended) a fly! Especially when that fly happens to be a person. With NO information that the person in question was dangerous, with NO information that it was a big time drug outfit, with really what appears to be NO real information at all the PD just got one of its own killed and likely ruined the life of another citizen over what was a (small amount) of grass!

 

[romma]

The rounded up 26 heroin and crake cocaine dealers in my town in the last two days without SWAT, or shots fired...

http://theday.com/re.aspx?re=8943f6a4-a3ea-4894-a303-63aa98250a72

New London - As part of a continuing crackdown on drug sales and violence in the city, police arrested 11 more people Friday, bringing the total number of arrests for drug activity to 26 in two days.

The city's vice and anti-violence teams, along with the Statewide Narcotics Task Force, seized a total of 300 bags of heroin, eight grams of crack cocaine, one vehicle and $1,000 in cash over the course of the two-day sweep.

Rasheem Gill, 37, of 78 West St., was charged with possession of crack cocaine, sale of crack cocaine, possession of crack with the intent to sell, possession of crack cocaine with intent to sell within 1,500 feet of a school and interfering with police.

Gill is being held on $300,000 bond.

Eddie J. Rodriguez, 28, of 6 Mitchell Court, was charged with possession of heroin, possession of heroin with intent to sell and possession of heroin with intent to sell within 1,500 feet of a school.

Carlos Vasquez, 22, of 15 Clover Court, was charged with possession of narcotics with intent to sell.

Tobias Smith, 23, of no certain address, was charged with possession of heroin and sale of cocaine.

Cedric Eaton, 29, of 47 West Coit St., was charged with sale of crack cocaine, possession of crack cocaine and possession of crack cocaine with the intent to sell.

Rodriguez, Vasquez, Smith and Eaton are each being held on $100,000 bond.

Amber Rock, 23, of 47 West Coit St., charged with criminal attempt sale of cocaine.

Catherine Flowers, 47, of 11 Brewer St., was charged with possession of narcotics and possession of drug paraphernalia.

David Arroyo, 41, of 13 Clover Court, was charged with interfering with police.

Police also charged a 17-year old female with sale of narcotics.

All four individuals were released on $2,500 non-surety bonds.

Anna Santos, 21, of 172 Hawthorne Drive, was charged with conspiracy to possess heroin with the intent to sell. Santos was released on a promise to appear in court.

Lucille Hannah, 48, of 33 Acton St., Hartford was charged with prostitution.

You know, it can be done!! In fact, one of them lives directly above me. I am glad SWAT didn't kick the doors around here...

 

[Baba Louie]

sounds good... unless you let the reality that they brought in a nother prosecutor from 50 miles away to avoid just what you fantasize about. but hey like charlene drew jarvis said "it coulda happened that way" it just didn't

Must have missed the "nother prosecutor" from 50 miles away in the articles I read. Mea Culpa. Not really up to speed on charlene drew jarvis on the "coulda" scenario either. I did attempt to qualify by adding the caveat "Ironic half truths"... never like to let reality creep in to a good internet discussion when freedoms usurp law and order or vice versa... Better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer injustice and all, ya know? (which is a crock o' idealistic malarky)

Always far better when the government agents go home safely each night. Tragic that this specific incident cost one man his life while he was just doing his job while a scared, armed criminal on the other side of the door comes out with guns ablazing. Sometimes that's part of the price of admission to dealing with criminal behavior while serving and protecting our freedom... or enforcing the current crystalized prejudices of our communities. Hence, Mr. Frederick's newfound dilemma.

 

[TexasRifleman]

If you woke up to the sounds of someone bashing in your front door and picked up your HD weapon to investigate, and as you approached the door, it was flung open by armed SWAT officers, you would likely not survive the encounter.

That story is told all the time, but there are constantly REAL stories of homeowners killing or wounding cops in just this manner and surviving the encounter.

It's not as one sided a fight as you'd think but of course it's bad all the way around.

The point is that you shouldn't have cops doing that stuff in the first place except in EXTREME cases.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

oh you didn't miss anything you have to be local to know the names of the prosecutors. the media missed that detail. ebert is a killer prosecutor.

charlene drew jarvis is the dc politician daughter of charles jarvis inventor of blood plasma. black man . is a urban fantasy floating around about how he dies because the white hospital wouldn't treat him after the traffic accident. it is false. his daughter played alonf with the falsehood for decades. when confronted this example of all thats wrong in dc replied "well it coulda happened that way!"

 

[macadore]

There are more than a few posts on here that seem to prove my theory that Libertarians are nothing more than closet anarchists angry that they're not the ones doing the oppressing.

Bull****. We dislike goose-stepping for anyone. Gestapo tactics in the name of protecting people from themselves is absurd. The war on drugs drains the economy and gets innocent people killed. It insures that narco traffickers will continue to get obscenely wealthy and that law enforcement will drain more of the economy to pay for more police, more prisons, more judges, more lawyers, and so on. I repeat, this is criminal and absurd. As Thoreau said, “That government is best which governs least.”

 

[TCB in TN]

Better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer injustice and all, ya know? (which is a crock o' idealistic malarky)

I guess maybe you are right, this does sound like "a crock o' idealistic malarky" and it probably will continue to sound that way to you, but if YOU happen to be put into that situation then perhaps you might feel differently!

Tragic that this specific incident cost one man his life while he was just doing his job while a scared, armed criminal on the other side of the door comes out with guns ablazing.

BTW I see a couple of tragedies here, first is that a LEO lost his life, second of all is that so many on here don't see the problem with sending in SWAT on a raid like this when there is NOTHING to show that a SWAT response was warrented. I again ask, what happened to good old fashioned police work. Watch the guy a day or two looking for real signs that he is involved in some serious illegal activity, then if they are there, detain him on the street (where he is less likely to pose a serious threat), and then do a search on his place (again in a fashion that is less likely to be so dangerous!).

 

[Werewolf]

The cops are NOT your friends. Never were.

The truth of this statement is easily ascertained simply by recognizing who pays the cops. And if any of you say the people then don your dunce caps and go to the back of your class.

 

[atomd]

2 criminals decide to go kick in someone's door one day. The homeowner shoots one of them dead. In many cases the surviving criminal is charged with murder because his accomplice died as a result of the crime he participated in. That happens all the time in many different places in the US.

I think a no-knock warrant is reckless endangerment. It puts the police and the homeowner in unnecessarily dangerous situations. Just because they THINK it might be "legal" for them to do so doesn't mean that no one should be responsible if something goes wrong. I think the judge that issued that warrant should be responsible. Someone lost their life and others could have easily lost theirs too..........over......a pot plant? It's time for no-knock warrants to go away.

 

[Flyboy]

He made an unwise choice in his hobby and in his lifestyle, and a number of lives were ruined as a result.

Dumpster Baby, I dearly hope you are posting here as a parody. If not--if you actually believe that this is Frederick's fault for choosing his perfectly legal botany hobby "unwisely"-- then you sicken me. You're a disgrace to American values, a pox on the idea of freedom, and not worthy to be called a free man. Crouch down, lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that you are my countryman.

 

[LawBot5000]

The vast majority of police officers are not in SWAT and most SWAT members are not motivated by a desire for self promotion built on a pile of innocent corpses. However, the incentive structure we have built around preserving SWAT budgets and aggressively prosecuting the war on drugs has produced a surefire recipe for bloodshed. Throw in a little asset forfeiture and a little sloppiness in the pre-raid investigation and police are suddenly half a step away from becoming bandits themselves.

I think most police are dismissive of these problems because the vast majority of confrontations where things go wrong don't result in innocent people getting killed. Their experience tells them that such deadly confrontations with homeowners are going to be rare. IMO, this attitude is similar to that of a street racer who assumes that other people have fatal accidents at 150mph but he is smarter and better prepared than them.

And woe betide all of us with "unfortunate choices of hobby" that are legal but open to misunderstanding. I mean, god forbid someone mistakes your bag of flour for a kilo of coke, your chemistry set for a meth lab, your brewing apparatus for a moonshining operation or your kalashnikov collection for a terrorist's arsenal. I would never expect any members of this board to have such a disappointing attitude.

 

[xjchief]

I'm sorry but I don't think it's right for the police to be breaking down doors unless the situation calls for it. A quick fact finding investigation should have shown that this guy lived alone and he could easily be grabbed leaving for work or on the way home from work or even at work. A search warrant could have been served after his arrest to see if there were any plants growing at his house.

These raids have left more than just a few people injured or killed for no real reason other than some police departments' lack of investigation before acting on tips. If there's a legitimate reason for a raid then I completely agree that they are reasonable to protect human life. Growing a couple plants in your house or even quite a few plants doesn't seem like a reason to risk the lives of police or citizens. I hold the police department just as accountable as the guy who shot the detective for the loss of life.

Kicking down a citizen's door should be the last resort not the first.

 

[mbt2001]

These no knock warrants are nuts... At a time when there are INCREASING home invasion type robberies, increasing amounts of people posing as police, security, FBI, medics, firemen (etc) and trying to gain access to homes and increasing amounts of people who live in fear of these actions...

It doesn't seem like the best idea to execute no knock warrants without

1.) Some surviellance verifying the information

2.) A "high value" target that is armed (illegaly) and dangerous (priors)

3.) A crime that warrants this action for one reason or another. Growing a few plants (EVEN IF THEY ARE WEED PLANTS) in suburbia isn't exactly public enemy number 1

Frankly, I am going to start a petition to the mayor / city council and state legislators of my area to stop no knock warrants for most reasons, certainly setting a "reasonable" standard that would need to justify them.

 

[jaholder1971]

Quote:
He made an unwise choice in his hobby and in his lifestyle, and a number of lives were ruined as a result.
Dumpster Baby, I dearly hope you are posting here as a parody. If not--if you actually believe that this is Frederick's fault for choosing his perfectly legal botany hobby "unwisely"-- then you sicken me. You're a disgrace to American values, a pox on the idea of freedom, and not worthy to be called a free man. Crouch down, lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that you are my countryman.

That's very High Road, and really bad melodrama.

 

[.cheese.]

Wow. I can't wait to read the opinion on this case when it's settled.

 

[Dumpster Baby]

Quote:
He made an unwise choice in his hobby and in his lifestyle, and a number of lives were ruined as a result.

Dumpster Baby, I dearly hope you are posting here as a parody. If not--if you actually believe that this is Frederick's fault for choosing his perfectly legal botany hobby "unwisely"-- then you sicken me. You're a disgrace to American values, a pox on the idea of freedom, and not worthy to be called a free man. Crouch down, lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that you are my countryman.

I see you were born in 1980. I was born in 1948, and I've seen and experienced quite a bit more of how life works than you have. Grant me that, okay? I'm quite likely a lot more conservative than you are, but not extremist in my views - there's a big difference.

My views on how to live are very simple - don't display and act out without taking into consideration the possible consequences. This is hard lesson to learn. You learn it by negative feedback of all sorts, and lumps, and losses, and regrets.

You don't leave valuables out on display in your car in the parking lot. Learned that the hard way. You don't wear inappropriate clothes for certain places and circumstances. Learned that the hard way. You don't act in an inappropriate manner in the wrong places. Learned that the hard way. You don't say inappropriate things in the wrong circumstances. Learned that the hard way. And so on and so on.

I've been acquainted with many hundreds of people in my life, and not a one of them had grow lights and water hoses in their house or garage, and many were avid gardeners or house plant enthusiasts. That stuff is very commonly used by pot growers. If you buy that kind of "paraphernalia", so to speak, you automatically bring yourself into association with the home pot growers. It's very uncommon for people to have that equipment at home. In the eyes of LEO's who find that equipment by any means at all, it raises questions. The goal here is not to raise questions in anyone's mind, not attract unwanted attention, not set yourself up for more attention that you might otherwise receive. Consequently, I will never buy any grow lights for home use, nor will I fool around with any plants that look kinda like marijuana. That is an incredibly simple concept to me - avoid having doper-related equipment and look-alike plants. DUH.....

It's not cowardice, as so many of you young hotheads state. It's common sense, like not leaving valuables on display in public or attracting unwanted negative attention by actions and demeanor. There are a lot of things you just don't do if you want to skate by without the hassle so many others invite upon themselves.

All my friends through life have either been LEO's or have had family members who were or are LEO's. I worked many years in cop shops. I've ridden along on patrol many times, and I kinda have some idea what cops look for, what attracts their attention, what makes them do a traffic stop or a pedestrian check. What attracts their attention is people who are displaying and acting out in ways that many people wouldn't even notice. Cops don't have to work hard at all finding people that need checking out - the fools are practically waving flags and shooting off flares that say "look at me!!".

Displaying takes many forms. Clothes, hair, motor vehicle, possessions carried or worn. Acting out takes many forms. Loud and rowdy, drunk and wobbly, zombied out, furtive movements, shifty eyes, all the standard cliches. It all adds up and it all matters. In all the ride-alongs I've done I've never seen a regular, normal person get hassled over anything. It's always the ones displaying and acting out, and they're almost always dirty. Carrying illegal drugs, drug paraphernalia, illegal weapons, stolen property, have arrest warrants, etc. If they were only capable of going down the street looking and acting normally they wouldn't have been noticed, but they weren't capable of it. The cops I rode with would sometimes just empty the baggies of weed and powder on the street because it would just mean more paperwork than they already had to do on the fools.

I accept the "risk" of being checked out going to and from the range with my guns and ammo. It's an acceptable risk because it's all legal. What is NOT an acceptable risk is displaying guns in the front yard so that any passerby can take note of which house has the guns.

I also don't display guns and valuables to strangers or allow any known dopers and jailbirds in my home. I don't associate in any way whatsoever with dopers and jailbirds. One thing I read constantly on these boards is how the younger members don't see anything wrong with marijuana, and who knows what else. They think the drug wars should be abandoned completely. Well, I've witnessed far too much negative and destructive behavior in dopers to share that view. The ones I had the misfortune of having to work with over the years lived trailer trash lives, constantly in trouble, totally untrustworthy and undependable, you name it. To me it's totally absurd to have to tell a new hire that he can't come to work with spiked orange hair and wearing all those chains.

There's a whole lot of things that are perfectly legal to have, and to do, but unwise to have and do. Anything doper related falls into that unwise category. It's advertising for trouble, trolling for trouble, and best of luck to ya. Let's hope your perfectly legal grow lights don't attract some dopers breaking in to steal your weeds. Let's hope they don't attract the attention of LEO's. Let's hope your "recreational" smoking of "totally harmless" weed doesn't end up causing you a lot of grief. It's your choice, your risk, your consequences and penalties, if any.

I live a life free of unwanted attention from anyone, and that's exactly the way I want it. A lot of what I have, and have done in life, would alarm a great many fine folks out there if they knew, but they wouldn't be able to pick me out of a crowd. They wouldn't notice me, wouldn't associate me with any thing or anyone. I don't display or act out and consequently lead a very peaceful life. I'm the Invisible Man, and nobody messes with me. I'm not going down, not taking a fall. I'll sit back and watch all the fools and hotheads get banged around by their foolishness. That's not cowardice, it's hard earned wisdom.

 

[zxcvbob]

I've been acquainted with many hundreds of people in my life, and not a one of them had grow lights and water hoses in their house or garage, and many were avid gardeners or house plant enthusiasts. That stuff is very commonly used by pot growers. If you buy that kind of "paraphernalia", so to speak, you automatically bring yourself into association with the home pot growers.

You need to stick to talking about what you actually know instead of making stupid stuff up. I'm almost as old as you. I have grow lights in my basement; about 1000W if I turn all of them on at once (but I'm only using about 470W of them.) About 200W (fluorescents) was purchased at a garage sale 15 years ago from an old lady that grew african violets, 400W came from the local industrial electrical supplier (metal halide), and 400W (HPS, because I didn't like the metal halide) was bought on eBay. I'm growing amaryllis, hot peppers, a mango tree, cactus, an orchid, and I just started some tomato plants about 20 minutes ago. The heat from the lights helps warm my house in the winter, and I don't use them in the summer. It keeps this Southern boy from going crazy up here where the winters are so long. I've never even seen any dope and wouldn't know where to find it if I wanted it.

 

[TCB in TN]

If you buy that kind of "paraphernalia", so to speak, you automatically bring yourself into association with the home pot growers. It's very uncommon for people to have that equipment at home. In the eyes of LEO's who find that equipment by any means at all, it raises questions. The goal here is not to raise questions in anyone's mind, not attract unwanted attention, not set yourself up for more attention that you might otherwise receive. Consequently, I will never buy any grow lights for home use, nor will I fool around with any plants that look kinda like marijuana. That is an incredibly simple concept to me - avoid having doper-related equipment and look-alike plants. DUH.....

Well, I have never been accused of being very liberal, but I can't buy into this. If shows that there are just a lot of folks out there who don't know much about specific subjects but speak out strongly about them anyway. I am not a big green thumb guy, but I can count at least 20 people I know that use items, that based on your above comments, you would obviously have a problem with. They are all good, law abiding citizens, and that is including 1 of my great aunts who is in her late 70's. None of them are into any drugs, heck most of them don't even drink. It is just that people who are NOT involved in certain pass times (such as growing flowers, exotic trees, and the like) seem to make assumptions that are just not true! Much like the assumptions that are made by anti gunners!

 

[Wheeler44]

I've been acquainted with many hundreds of people in my life, and not a one of them had grow lights and water hoses in their house or garage, and many were avid gardeners or house plant enthusiasts.

All my friends through life have either been LEO's or have had family members who were or are LEO's. I worked many years in cop shops. I've ridden along on patrol many times

The above quotes speak volumes of your "World view" All cops are good (correction the only people good enough to be my friends are cops) The occupation of law enforcement is the underlying criteria for "friendship". Cool, good for you.

I am almost your age and everything I need to know on the subject I learned before I was 18 yrs. old. That is when I studied the Constitution of the United States of America in civics class. It's been a while but the part I'm thinkin' about goes something like" Shall be free from UNREASONABLE search and seizure". I don't remember the part about

In all the ride-alongs I've done I've never seen a regular, normal person get hassled over anything. It's always the ones displaying and acting out, and they're almost always dirty.

havin' to be "NORMAL" or "REGULAR" whatever that may be (I assure you that for you and me it's gonna be different) or takin' a bath at regular intervals.

I hope that if you ever travel outside of Misery, excuse me, Missouri, you don't get mistaken for someone that is not "Normal" and get cuffed and stuffed for it. It just wouldn't be American to treat someone that way.

 

[evilelvis]

That eerie glow from my metal halide lights and increase in my power bill must be from my grow room?

Or maybe, it's because I have a large reef aquarium?

The cops should probably bust down my door with a no knock simply because I have ordered a bunch of pumps, tubes and lighting apparatus. Judging from some people's posts here that must mean I am a risky individual.

Of course I could avoid all of this by not doing anything I enjoy and living in a sterile box because the cops might notice that light. That's of course what it means to be an American these days? Scared of the police who are supposed to protect and serve?

I am always amazed that people who know the government lies about guns and firearm related data, abuses the 2nd amendment, creates groups within itself that take pride on taking and restricting our private property so readily accept their lies about the war on drugs, at at the very least, marijuana. The WoD is single handedly one of the most violent acts the government has perpetrated against it's own citizens. This is another unfortunate disaster on both sides of the table.

 

[ceetee]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of regular, normal people's religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof by regular, normal people; or abridging the regular, normal people's freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the regular, normal peoplepeaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances...

Nope. Just doesn't fit... How about this:

The right of the regular, normal people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, unless they display or act out in ways that many people wouldn't even notice...

Nah. That doesn't work for me, either. Instead, how about we let people be free to perform whatever LEGAL activities they choose, and let them perform these activities whenever and however they choose, free from the fear of having their doors kicked in?

 

[Dumpster Baby]

For the record, I think this particular raid was very poorly conceived and carried out. It was uncalled for under the circumstances and poorly carried out, with tragic consequences. Trying to crawl through a lower door panel..........come.....on.....

Around here EVERY raid is carried out by SWAT. They storm the house, bash the door open with a battering ram, and rush in screaming "police, search warrant, police, search warrant...." at the top of their lungs. The targets of the raids rarely ever have time to react or to run. You can watch how it's done on episodes of "SWAT-Kansas City" or "SWAT-Houston" on TV, whatever the name of that show is.

Here's the thing - knowing that that is how they operate, knowing that the same thing can come to your house by mistake, it would make sense to identify who you're going to shoot at before you shoot. Anything else is suicidal. Sure, the bad guys can act the same way to fool you, but I've never heard of it happening. Shooting blindly at anyone at the door is very, very hazardous to your well being, and you better be 100% in the right.

All my friends being LEO-related wasn't a conscious choice. It just happened out of gravitating to people who had the same values and general demeanor that I do. Some of my long term friends only revealed some kind of LEO connection long after we became friends.

I've met a lot of LEO's that scared the hell out of me, and a lot that I considered total jerks. Some that I've known quit the cops in disgust at their fellow cops and some went on to achieve high rank or even become a police chief. Some I've known embezzled the drug funds and a few went to prison for murder. There's all kinds, and yes they sometimes do go overboard, tell lies, perjure themselves, plant evidence, destroy evidence, manufacture evidence. Most of them never do that kind of thing because the penalties for getting caught at it are too high a price to pay for a minor victory. I think most have thought about it but won't do it. You should see what they have to deal with, and the temptation to play dirty is strong.

I fear most LEO's the same way I fear street gangstas. There's a whole lot of the same gang mentality - "you mess with one of us you got to mess with all of us....", that kind of thing. From their perspective, cops and gangstas, it's "us against the world, and anything goes".....sort of.

I don't want to come to the attention of either kind of heavily armed street gang.

I avoid that unwanted attention as much as possible, by not displaying and acting out, and by not possessing certain things that have acquired an unfortunate association with dopers. I don't include guns in that category. Guns have been around a lot longer than the current drug culture has, and they're essential for our personal defense. However, I accept that guns have the capacity to alarm a lot of people, and that carries a certain risk level for me. I do whatever I can to minimize that risk, by minimizing my exposure to that risk. How? By not displaying and acting out. Both types of heavily armed street gangs key on others displaying and acting out, and jump if they feel they have to.

Like I said, I and the people I know lead peaceful lives with little likelihood of coming to the attention of either kind of street gang. We all kinda lean back and watch the young fools and hotheads slide down the cliff face first into the rocks, kind of like Wile E. Coyote, and shake our heads at all the stupid, stupid carnage and self destruction.

What you do, say, and possess matters, sometimes a lot more than it should in a perfect world. The world's not perfect, it's been corrupted by both criminals and those who pursue criminals. Either adapt to that reality or prepare for possibly very surprising and unpleasant consequences. That's all I'm saying.

 

[TexasRifleman]

If you buy that kind of "paraphernalia", so to speak, you automatically bring yourself into association with the home pot growers.

I have some really nice digital scales I use for reloading.

Digital scales are used by drug dealers so according to your logic I've put myself in league with drug dealers because I am buying the same paraphernalia?

I have some zip loc bags too. Guess I'm screwed huh.......

 

[RP88]

If you woke up to the sounds of someone bashing in your front door and picked up your HD weapon to investigate, and as you approached the door, it was flung open by armed SWAT officers, you would likely not survive the encounter.

not really. If you were to start firing, then they would be at the disadvantage because they cannot surround you, but can only file in one at a time through your doorway. Kinda evens out the numbers there in your favor, not to mention that you have the drop on them.

Also, the thing I think I've noticed here is that the police were just that: Police. Not SWAT.

It's funny, really. what happened to just breaking into the guy's house with a warrant, taking hard photographs and samples of evidence WHILE HE IS AT WORK OR NOT HOME, then arresting him promptly thereafter when he were to return?

I dont understand the reasoning behind no-knock raids on casual drug dealers by normal police. If anything, this should show how paramilitary tactics should be left to the military and not a bunch of LEOs who have minimal training at best in such situations. If CPD screwed up as bad as it looks right now, then expect them to pull an idiot card.

Also, the wrongful death suit can be countered with several suits by Mr. Frederick. Breaking and entering, search without a warrant (assuming the prior break-in by the informant wasnt part of a warrant), destruction of property, the usual suits for wrongful imprisonment and false arrest even, etc. etc.

 

[KnightHawk67]

Heaven help you if you happen to live your "perfect" life of never attracting attention in a house that happens to be the one in a mistaken address raid.

"Oops, so sorry! Hey, we're cops, we can't be held responsible for killing your dogs, breaking down your door, wrecking your house, shooting you for holding a cell phone in a threatening manner......"

Grrrr!

Nope, because you are just a civilian, and we are "COPS!"