Manual Safety-Yes or No

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Sorry folks, I meant thumb safety not slide lock. A slide lock )or release) is too logical an idea to come from the government.

I always heard the thumb safety was added later at the request of the military. It looks like more of an add on than the grip safety but who knows?

Lately for my next gun, I've been looking at the XD( HS2000) more and more. I like the idea of a grip safety and internal safeties. Maybe this is the kind of pistol Browning would build today...

Pico
 
Mariner,

Well, if they're the dumbest peeps you met, you probably didn't want them holding a weapon at all, eh? Thus, their views on proper safety are mute.

Well the fact is they do hold guns so thier views on guns safety count to all of us.

Newcomer,

I have a handgun with a manual safety, but I retain option of not using it, should I so desire.

Well said. It is nice to have the option. I do not carry. I may have shot too many revolvers for too long but it is more instinct to me to cock the hammer back on drawing. That method was used for several hundred years.

I like DA shooting too. I also like using a safety. I like SA only too.
That goes for revolvers too. Some I like DA and some I like SA. Never consider myself vulnerable in a gunfight regardless of design. If people feel a safety puts them at a disadvantage it probably does but not me. BrainFarts or not.




This is a great debate and all but me thinks (pure speculation) that far more people are accidently shot by glocks and other safety less guns than people are injured and killed because they forgot to flick off a safety on a quick draw. Probably much more.

I'm not glock bashing I have decided to eventually get a Glock and it was a close call when I bought my last auto. I don't however think I will be at any particular advantage with it though. I may go with an XD though cause I just like the thought of having an off switch.

-bevr
 
Glox

I think if today you could bring back Browning and put a top of the line Kimber .45 and a Glock on the table in front of him, he'd smile, pick up the Kimber and nod. Then he'd look at the Glock and say, "Hey, let me see that one."

Sorry gents, I guess I need to get a reality check.

I've shot a Glock or two and they shoot pretty good, no surprises. I think most people that bash them haven't shot them same as people who bash any gun. The XD especially in the 5 inch size looks pretty appealing to me all of a sudden.

Pico
 
JMB and the Glock

Pico, I think you'd be betting on a sure thing. I believe that
the grand old man would be keenly interested in new designs,
no matter who came up with them, and what they looked like.
His passion was in the designing.

I also believe that he would tear the glock down and think:
"Hmmm. What can I do to make this better?"

Astute observation...and also right on the money, I think.

Tuner
 
Revolvers rock too

No argument that a good wheelgun is a good gun period. Also, they really don't have a manual safety. The Smith 8 shooter I saw in the gun rag in .357 would be welcome at my address anytime.

I'm trying to imagine the same scenario I described with Sam Colt seeing a single action army in 44-40 and a Taurus Raging Bull in 44 mag in front of him on the table.

OK, enough. Call my shrink in. Thanks for the replys.

Pico
 
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Well the fact is they do hold guns so thier views on guns safety count to all of us.- BevrFevr

Count? no. Require Correction? yes... People who believe such are a danger to themselves and those around them... their views don't count for anything except another statistic one day if someone doesn't teach them proper safety... It all about four basic rules my father taught me. I believe the NRA advises some similiar set of rules but it has been awhile since I've read them.

Keep it down range WHEN DRAWN
Keep you finger out of the trigger area until ready to fire
Don't point at anything you DON'T intend to shoot
Know target and beyond

Not a single accident yet in eleven years by following these rules.

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Thinking that a safety will give you a false sense of security is silly. Do you check the bore for obstructions every single time you draw your weapon(how about under pressure)? If you don't you have a false sense of security. Do you weigh each and every bullet to make sure there is not a double charge? There is your false sense of security again.

Your safety could fail... but so could your sear...even in your holster. Even with your trigger finger shoved safely up your...

nose.

-BevrFevr

Do I check my weapon before each use? Yeah, don't you? But ofcourse, mine while at my home, sits in a case by itself... Nothing to damage or obstruct.

Do I examine my ammunition? Ofcourse...I examine every single round of ammunition once a month and/or just before a range visit to ensure the ammuntion is not apparently defective. I don't weight it but then again, if the gun goes completely BOOM because of a bad round (chances are more likely I'll die in a plane accident), oh well, not something I'm responsible for. But to be responsible for someone else's death because "I think it was...." No. Not on my watch. I take responsibility for as much danger as I can and minimize it by not buying from questionable ammo sources and reading up every time I go buy ammo to see if there have been recent problems with a lot # or manufacturer.




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re: Mariner's logic
Nope. I engage it...I just don't rely on for an excuse for
bein' stupid with a gun...
- 1911Tuner

Stupidity is ever drawing loaded weapon without the intent to shoot or in some manner as to bring anything outside fo the intended target undue danger... Drawing in a SD situation without being fully committed to pulling the trigger only causes more problems than it solves.

THere is no such thing as quarter to a criminals. If he sees me draw a weapon a sight in and decides to drop his own weapon, fine then. I'm not going to shoot him. But if the three little dots line up and the person(s) are still acting in a threatening manner, the decision on whether to shoot or not is already done with... I'll deal with whatever the messed up justice system will throw at me after I'm sure I did my best to ensure the innocent people around me live to see another day.
 
Yes!

errrrr....

No!

errrrr....

I haven't made up my mind, apparently.

I have yet to find myself at any detriment execpt that on occassion I find my gun hand thumb riding an imaginary thumb safety where there is none. A big deal? Not really. I self correct and move on.
 
I like it just because most of my guns have them. I was really against a carry gun without it until the guy pointed out hat I was had a revolver at the time with no safety. :banghead:
I don't really think it makes a difference now.
 
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