Multiple gun purchases in a single day

[Mojo-jo-jo]

A CCW permit only stands-in for the instant background check as required by the Brady bill, and only in certain states. CCW permit or not, a 4473 transfer record MUST be filed any time a firearm is sold or traded by an FFL to a non-licensee (FFL licensee, that is). The only difference is that the CCW permit suffices for the background check phone call. If a clerk botched this, that shop will be in BIG, BIG trouble during their next compliance inspection!

Additionally, if the FFL is transferring more than one handgun to the same non-licensee in a five day period (not required for rifles and shotguns), a form 3310.4 must be filed. The buyer will likely never see this form, as it is not required to have the buyer's signature, but it IS required by law that the FFL file it.

 

[jonmerritt]

Sounds more like there watching the ffl's

 

[nalioth]

Doesn't quite make sense, unless the dealer seriously doesn't understand ATF procedure. Having the customer come back in a few hours to buy a second handgun doesn't change anything, other than necessitating that they complete a SECOND 4473, and do ANOTHER background check. If the dealer hoped to get out of doing a Multiple, then he's not only breaking the law, but he's also really creating more work by having to do everything else all over again (unless he's just committing another violation by putting the second handgun on the same 4473).

"Later" can mean "go to Burger King and come back" or "come back next week" or "see you in 2013".

I bought 1, 2 and even 3 guns on the SAME day, in the past, at my former gun shop when I lived back east. This is when I started to buy my own guns back in 1998-2001.

I did not want to make a second trip, drive 30 miles one way via turnpike and it was allowed in my former state.

No one said anything to me about it at the time.

This 'multiple handgun sales form' is a fairly recent 'child protection law'.

 

[Wes Janson]

"Later" can mean "go to Burger King and come back" or "come back next week" or "see you in 2013".

As I understand it, ATF regulations mandate that if the purchaser leaves the business premises, no matter the length of time, and then returns to purchase another firearm, the entire purchasing process must be completed-a new 4473 and another background check (if required).

 

[Wes Janson]

Heard and witnessed another one the other day. I was in another state on business and went with my cousin(same age as I) to buy a new style Vaquero, he showed his CCW, the clerk says "that makes it easy" took the money for the revolver. We are standing there waiting for a 4473 when the clerk says"we don't have to do that if you have a CCW" and we were ushered to the door. This in a very large chain sporting goods and outdoor supply store. They have over 50 stores in several states. HUH!!!!!!!

That actually left me speechless. That's such a huge freaking no-no it's pretty much beyond my comprehension. I mean, really and truly beyond any reasonable definition or limit of stupidity previously known to the gun industry. If I'd have been the customer, I would have instantly handed the weapon back to the clerk, demanded my money back, and sprinted from the premises. One does not do well to loiter around concentrations of stupidity such as that.

 

[nalioth]

"Later" can mean "go to Burger King and come back" or "come back next week" or "see you in 2013".

As I understand it, ATF regulations mandate that if the purchaser leaves the business premises, no matter the length of time, and then returns to purchase another firearm, the entire purchasing process must be completed-a new 4473 and another background check (if required).

Yes, and if "later" falls within 5 business days of the previous handgun purchase, the multiple handgun purchase form must be filled out.

 

[brickeyee]

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#f5

(F5) As a licensed dealer, must I advise ATF if I sell more than one handgun to an individual? [Back]

If you sell or dispose of more than one handgun to any non-licensee during a period of 5 consecutive business days, the sale must be reported on ATF Form 3310.4, Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers, not later than the close of the business day on which you sold or disposed of the second handgun. The licensee must forward a copy of the Form 3310.4 to the ATF office specified thereon, and another copy must be forwarded to the State police or local law enforcement agency where the sale occurred. A copy of the Form 3310.4 also must be attached to the firearms transaction record, ATF Form 4473, documenting the sale or disposition of the second handgun.

A business day for purposes of reporting multiple sales of pistols or revolvers is a day that a licensee conducts business pursuant to the license, regardless of whether State offices are open. The application of the term “business day” is, therefore, distinguishable from the term “business day” as used in the NICS context. Example: A licensee conducts business only on Saturdays and Sundays, days on which State offices are not open. The licensee sells a pistol to an unlicensed person on a Saturday. If that same unlicensed person acquires another handgun the next day (Sunday), the following Saturday or Sunday, or the Saturday after the reporting requirement would be triggered, the subsequent acquisition of a handgun would have to be reported on a Form 3310.4 by the close of the day upon which the second or subsequent handgun was sold.

[18 U.S.C. 923(g)(3), 27 CFR 478.126a]