Interesting thing about the original post is that it had very little to do with guns. It's more of a post about her relationship with her father (who happened to be a pro gun person). How she feels about guns is obviously driven by issues she has with how her father treated her......
My First and Probably Last Post: An Open Letter
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If you read this post and think the OP is anything other than a person with severe father issues, you are wrong. She herself admits to reading this forum for a year before actually posting. Was she trying to build the courage to "confront" the people and posters she associates with her father?
She is educated and therefore trying convince herself that she is rational and above such feelings when these feelings are bone deep. It is sad that she has, like so many others, associated firearms with the most negative aspects of her reality.
She says she is not anti because she realizes it is not rational. Her post is simply her effort to resolve severe emotional trauma with what appears to be a truly logical mind.
She is educated and therefore trying convince herself that she is rational and above such feelings when these feelings are bone deep. It is sad that she has, like so many others, associated firearms with the most negative aspects of her reality.
She says she is not anti because she realizes it is not rational. Her post is simply her effort to resolve severe emotional trauma with what appears to be a truly logical mind.
Shung
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Wow.. this was an interesting read, though with my limited english, I might have missed some subtilities...
Anyway, it is great to see how everybody in here stayed cool and answered politely and with some of the better logics I've seen on such a forum so far.. I know places where such a "opposing" post would have been flamed right away.. (try to post a pro-gun post on an ANTI forum, for example..)
Though, after reading through her initial post, I still cannot get a clear picture of what was the "reall message" in her letter... As I said, it might be my lack of english, but to me , the whole thing seemed somehow hiddden threat... but this threat was well wrapped, with a sad story which tried to proove us that everything that was written was true, and the result of a very rational and competent analysis... and that, even after all those negative points about guns, she still could try to understand all of us...
Dunno... Im gonna read it again.
Anyway, it is great to see how everybody in here stayed cool and answered politely and with some of the better logics I've seen on such a forum so far.. I know places where such a "opposing" post would have been flamed right away.. (try to post a pro-gun post on an ANTI forum, for example..)
Though, after reading through her initial post, I still cannot get a clear picture of what was the "reall message" in her letter... As I said, it might be my lack of english, but to me , the whole thing seemed somehow hiddden threat... but this threat was well wrapped, with a sad story which tried to proove us that everything that was written was true, and the result of a very rational and competent analysis... and that, even after all those negative points about guns, she still could try to understand all of us...
Dunno... Im gonna read it again.
1776 Rebel
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Wow, sounds like you need a good therapist. Seriously. The remnants of your family situation are quite visible. Your dragging this baggage around and your how old? I could be quite a smart ass towards you but I won't. I choose not to be. See, that is control. I think your post is actually quite aggressive even though you think it is not. Take a good long look in the mirror and think if you are happy with that person you see. You broad brushed how many thousands of people just now. If you don't like guns so be it. I don't like European cars. I am not going to freak out over it. If your trying to get back at your father I hate to remind you that he is dead. You should have addressed that situation while he was alive. Again, I would suggest some extensive self exploration young lady. Me thinks your building up to some kind of self destructive moment. I am worried for you. Please get help.
divemedic
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Bullets won here
Bullets won here
(phnom penh)
Or even in Dachau
We remain free because brave men are willing to commit violence on our behalf, and this is not possible without those who use the first amendment to keep watch
Shortdog22
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I wish this person would just rot. What other reason than to stir **** does this person give for posting on a gun forum? It's obvious look how many hits it has already.
bl4ckd0g
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First and probably last post, of quite a lengthy rant, is a troll and nothing else. No reply since the original post.
I would have closed this post before it spread, especially after the "sheep" comment.
I would have closed this post before it spread, especially after the "sheep" comment.
Shortdog22
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smarty pants
Hiaboo
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Lol, what?
Have fun with your words.
Have fun with your words.
It was probably quite cathartic to post what Riy posted, I hope she finds the peace she needs. In my humble and respectful opinion she is beating the wrong bush here on THR. her issues and this gun forum aren't connected in any way other than the fact that her father purportedly posted here once upon a time.
As far as her questions are concerned, if she had really, truly, honestly, lurked here for a year, she wouldn't need to ask those questions at all.
There are no answers for her here.
As far as her questions are concerned, if she had really, truly, honestly, lurked here for a year, she wouldn't need to ask those questions at all.
There are no answers for her here.
jaholder1971
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TROLL!!!!
THR is supposed to be a participatory forum. Since the OP was little more than a rant, not really evidently oriented towards a conversation, the thread will be closed in three hours.
As it is, it remains open solely at staff's discretion.
As it is, it remains open solely at staff's discretion.
Actually, I never thought of that, until now. That is true. I was never an anti but before I joined THR I did lurk a bit too. And just spending 1 or 2 hours reading a page of posts is enough to answer ANY question I may have had about RKBA issues, activism, etc...
lionking
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interesting,I was just debating a woman on another board today that basically said rape and murder by American forces in Iraq is common.She used a couple instances and now views soldiers that way in general.
On the same board a while ago I read a post about a person who is a black woman who was raped by a white man and now hates white men in general.
On the same board which has liberals and conservatives both on it I have seen slander done by both sides directed at each other,sometimes seriously sometimes in jest.
All I can say to this post is I'm sure there are some antigun liberal being very vile to someone out there,not just a conservative,.It isn't their political views that always makes them good or evil.
You say you are trying not to equate gunowners as all being like your father,well just keep reminding yourself that interests don't equate to morality.Tommorrow someone with a gun could murder,or they could save a life.
On the same board a while ago I read a post about a person who is a black woman who was raped by a white man and now hates white men in general.
On the same board which has liberals and conservatives both on it I have seen slander done by both sides directed at each other,sometimes seriously sometimes in jest.
All I can say to this post is I'm sure there are some antigun liberal being very vile to someone out there,not just a conservative,.It isn't their political views that always makes them good or evil.
You say you are trying not to equate gunowners as all being like your father,well just keep reminding yourself that interests don't equate to morality.Tommorrow someone with a gun could murder,or they could save a life.
Cosmoline
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If words are bullets, she is unarmed. And she's retreated from the field of battle.
That's me! Woo hoo This flame is hilarious. I have to wonder if it isn't a fake post by someone here making fun of the typical anti. It even has the requisite psychological fixation.
I wonder if she commutes on a bicycle like I do. Or goes car free through the brutal Alaskan winters. Maybe Ed Begly Jr. can lecture me on the environment, but I'll wager this individual is chugging along like all the other Californian cagers. Talk is cheap. I act.
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This use of the word "sheep" is interesting to me. I have never heard it used this way anyplace other than on this forum.
The way I have heard the term "sheep" used was to describe the herd mentality. Re: people who follow the crowd just because it is what everyone else is doing. Or, people just doing what their told without questioning are often refered to as "sheep".
In fact, a friend of mine coined the word "sheeple" LOL Instant classic.
The way I have heard the term "sheep" used was to describe the herd mentality. Re: people who follow the crowd just because it is what everyone else is doing. Or, people just doing what their told without questioning are often refered to as "sheep".
In fact, a friend of mine coined the word "sheeple" LOL Instant classic.
Samuel Adams
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Riy said:
*yawn*
This is as far as I needed to read.
Bookworm
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What was the point to this post? Some Boo-hoo story?
Seems like the OP was stereotyping and generalizing those who read on here, as well as portraying herself with the "backing" of legions of others - also another generalization. Learn to see people as individuals.
Lose the pompous attitude, and have the decency not to speak ill of your deceased parents.
Lastly, the phrase "we are legion" bothers me, as a Christian. Hopefully you'll understand the reference.
Seems like the OP was stereotyping and generalizing those who read on here, as well as portraying herself with the "backing" of legions of others - also another generalization. Learn to see people as individuals.
Lose the pompous attitude, and have the decency not to speak ill of your deceased parents.
Lastly, the phrase "we are legion" bothers me, as a Christian. Hopefully you'll understand the reference.
pharmer
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The OP got what she was after. 5 pages in 3 hours. Most all responses quite civil and for the most part gun-related. Joe
I think this last statement is very telling. Riy, despite your disclaimers otherwise, I think you have some deep unresolved issues with your father, and paint all gun owners with the same brush.
Every survivor story I've ever read has the same elements as yours "I have managed to maintain a healthy relationship with a wonderful man..." etc. But they're all still deeply deeply damaged people. I suspect you are still quite damaged, and unable to actually use the logic you claim to have, when you talk about gun owners.
You don't know me at all. I'd bet I'm not anything like the image you have of a gun owner, if all you can think of is your father. I am the father of two young girls, and I would go to any lengths, even lethal force to protect them from the kind of abuses you seem to have experienced.
Fortunately, the Constitution of my country gives me that right.
Your post shows considerable lack of tact and a huge degree of transference and some degree of cowardice. (One and done...)
Grow a spine and engage us in a dialog and we won't consider you a troll. If you leave your one post as a sermon, well, you have definitely put the troll stamp on your words.
lionking
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well if this thread will be closed might as well use it........
your quote;"A loud, powerful, logical, well-connected, female and liberal California journalist who really doesn't want to take away your guns, but leans further in that direction every time she sees your lack of personal self-control."
see,this is the typical progressive liberal and righteous conservative thought.I don't want to,but I see you can't handle it so I must step in and teach you self control.
Be it guns,junk food,drugs,booze, adult porn,adult sex,marriage and on and on both sides are willing to use law to force people to "just be more enlightened".
Tis why the Republican party left me and now I go for Ron Paul Libertarianism.
Guess what,you can't make real change with bans or laws on any of those topics,people change when they want to by freewill.Use persuasion and education and there will be less murder,rape,substance abuse.
your quote;"A loud, powerful, logical, well-connected, female and liberal California journalist who really doesn't want to take away your guns, but leans further in that direction every time she sees your lack of personal self-control."
see,this is the typical progressive liberal and righteous conservative thought.I don't want to,but I see you can't handle it so I must step in and teach you self control.
Be it guns,junk food,drugs,booze, adult porn,adult sex,marriage and on and on both sides are willing to use law to force people to "just be more enlightened".
Tis why the Republican party left me and now I go for Ron Paul Libertarianism.
Guess what,you can't make real change with bans or laws on any of those topics,people change when they want to by freewill.Use persuasion and education and there will be less murder,rape,substance abuse.
Thank you for your post...
It is helpful to hear a well thought out commentary from someone with your opinions.
I hope what you find in life is that no group of people is homogeneous, whether they be pro-gun, pro-choice, African American, male or female. Racism takes many forms.
To your questions and concerns, I can provide my own perspective, without speaking for anyone else.
Open mindedness: I would prefer to be ABLE to exercise the entire bill of rights without persecution or prosecution. I do not require anyone else to exercise theirs anymore than I demand that they vote (although it's a good idea).
Sheep: Sheep are not mindless, nor is the term meant as an insult (IMHO) Since biblical times, the "flock" has represented those who are defenseless, protected from wolves (criminals) by shepherds and sheepdogs (law abiding citizens who CAN defend themselves and others).
San Francisco: It's not the city or it's residents. It's a beautiful city with some really fine Americans (just like most places in America). It is the politics of the local government there that many of us disagree with. In my opinion, Chicago is a better example.
Environment: Many of us are for the environment and conservation, but this is a firearms forum, and it may not come up so much. Although we may all be pro-2A, we may have VERY different views on other topics. Also, there are quite a few "environmentalists" with whom I take issue. Many are too extreme and make a bad name for the rest of us who obey the law. (This goes for ANY issue with extremists).
Health care: Personally, I believe that the Federal Government has the capability to tackle really big problems for our society, but has a miserable record of inefficiency and ineffectiveness. If you and I did our jobs as poorly as the Federal Government has done, we would have been fired long ago. I believe that customer-centered concepts like what Wal-Mart, Walgreen, and CVS will eventually offer better solutions for the uninsured in the US. Our intentions are very similar, we just may disagree on the best solutions.
The legion of the fence-sitters: I praise you for addressing this forum. As I'm sure you've seen, many who participate here are more responsible and thoughtful than others. It's a large group of several thousand people from all walks of life. Please be careful leaping to the conclusion that all comments made here are the opinions and thoughts of ALL law abiding gun owners in the US. Give me ANY group of 12,000-13,000 Americans, and we're bound to find some with whom we disagree.
As you decide which way to lean, please be careful not to fall on the "racist" side of any issue. The best commentary a well-connected journalist could give on this issue is as follows:
"Wow, the population of gun owners in America is as diverse and varied as America itself. This, like any group is NOT as stereotypical as some would like to believe. Perhaps those of us who disagree and are bothered by guns should realize that when we speak, and be wary of being as "racist" as those we often accuse."
Brian
Father of 2 (who just doesn't want to explain to a 6 year old what a 4 hour erection is (poo poo Cialis/viagra) just yet)
White Anglo Husband in an inter-racial marriage
Charitable, Evangelical Catholic, Libertarian
Business owner, entrepreneur (job creator),
11th generation American, affluent, leader
Gun owner, car owner, home owner...
It is helpful to hear a well thought out commentary from someone with your opinions.
I hope what you find in life is that no group of people is homogeneous, whether they be pro-gun, pro-choice, African American, male or female. Racism takes many forms.
To your questions and concerns, I can provide my own perspective, without speaking for anyone else.
Open mindedness: I would prefer to be ABLE to exercise the entire bill of rights without persecution or prosecution. I do not require anyone else to exercise theirs anymore than I demand that they vote (although it's a good idea).
Sheep: Sheep are not mindless, nor is the term meant as an insult (IMHO) Since biblical times, the "flock" has represented those who are defenseless, protected from wolves (criminals) by shepherds and sheepdogs (law abiding citizens who CAN defend themselves and others).
San Francisco: It's not the city or it's residents. It's a beautiful city with some really fine Americans (just like most places in America). It is the politics of the local government there that many of us disagree with. In my opinion, Chicago is a better example.
Environment: Many of us are for the environment and conservation, but this is a firearms forum, and it may not come up so much. Although we may all be pro-2A, we may have VERY different views on other topics. Also, there are quite a few "environmentalists" with whom I take issue. Many are too extreme and make a bad name for the rest of us who obey the law. (This goes for ANY issue with extremists).
Health care: Personally, I believe that the Federal Government has the capability to tackle really big problems for our society, but has a miserable record of inefficiency and ineffectiveness. If you and I did our jobs as poorly as the Federal Government has done, we would have been fired long ago. I believe that customer-centered concepts like what Wal-Mart, Walgreen, and CVS will eventually offer better solutions for the uninsured in the US. Our intentions are very similar, we just may disagree on the best solutions.
The legion of the fence-sitters: I praise you for addressing this forum. As I'm sure you've seen, many who participate here are more responsible and thoughtful than others. It's a large group of several thousand people from all walks of life. Please be careful leaping to the conclusion that all comments made here are the opinions and thoughts of ALL law abiding gun owners in the US. Give me ANY group of 12,000-13,000 Americans, and we're bound to find some with whom we disagree.
As you decide which way to lean, please be careful not to fall on the "racist" side of any issue. The best commentary a well-connected journalist could give on this issue is as follows:
"Wow, the population of gun owners in America is as diverse and varied as America itself. This, like any group is NOT as stereotypical as some would like to believe. Perhaps those of us who disagree and are bothered by guns should realize that when we speak, and be wary of being as "racist" as those we often accuse."
Brian
Father of 2 (who just doesn't want to explain to a 6 year old what a 4 hour erection is (poo poo Cialis/viagra) just yet)
White Anglo Husband in an inter-racial marriage
Charitable, Evangelical Catholic, Libertarian
Business owner, entrepreneur (job creator),
11th generation American, affluent, leader
Gun owner, car owner, home owner...
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