My rabidly anti-gun/liberal brother is visiting tomorrow

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I've been warned by my folks to stay off the gun topic, which I will do. However, I'm not hiding my stuff, I'm NOT going to let him try to make me feel ashamed of my hobby.:fire: I'm damn proud of my shooting hobby and I'm proud to be a gunnie.:D My gun cabinet is in plain sight, as is my reloading bench in the basement, gun magazines in the magazine rack, ect, ect. If he can't deal with it, then tough s*** in my book. If he happens to mention guns, I will just say that we should just not discuss that topic, as it is impossible to have a reasoned discourse with him, it always turns into a shouting match. My brother is an emotional extremist on this issue. Don't get me wrong, I love my brother, but this issue is and has caused friction between us. We are diametrically opposed politically on almost every issue.

My brother is supporting Barack Obama for president, I am supporting Fred Thompson. If my brother ask's me why I like Fred Thompson, I'll say that he is not a gun banning jerk, he will defend the Second Ammendment.:D
 
If I were you and lived at a place where I could just go outside and shoot, I'd be shooting when he arrived.

Just what I would do. Anyway good luck with not fighting/hopefully having him understand why guns aren't bad.
 
you sound like me and my brother.

which is probably why we don't talk to each other anymore.
 
Thats odd, usually people with the same parents share political view, if you can even call the democratic mindset political, more like emotional. Don't bring anything up just so when he flips out you can say that he started spewing his mindset all over you.
 
Hi XD,

Growing up I was told... repeatedly... there are better ways to get a point across than stabbing someone with it. Now, from experience (my sister married a state policeman and my cousin is... an attorney.) I've learned that the best thing to do when the subject comes up is to say "you are my brother and I have to love you but I do not have to like your opinions, your politics or your religion. Let's talk about our family, our victories and our losses and leave the disagreements to those it won't dishonor our father to fight with.

Selena
 
I think you're right to not intentionally instigate, but also right to not back down.

Your beliefs are your beliefs. If he's really your brother, he'll respect that.
 
it always turns into a shouting match
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It sounds like you tend to get just as emotional as your brother, even if you are using reason for your part of the argument. If you start yelling back at him, it is very unlikely that you two will ever come to a mutual agreement to simply disagree.
 
Shooter, you're right, but its my brother who always starts the shouting. I get fired up when faced with his BS, its a natural reaction. Its hard to stay calm when facing a shouting/emotional extremist. The key difference is this, I'm usually shouting FACTS.:D
 
No need to shout

I find that laughing at people generally pisses them off more than shouting at them. It shouldn't be hard to be genuinely amused by the absurdity.
 
Q. How did you two become so different?

Just curious.

Barrack Hussein Obama...just think about it in light of world events for a minute. Yikes. He promised he will change things over night and I believe it.

Anyway, blood is blood, and no amount of arguing can change that.

Shooter429
 
He is visiting you at your home, correct? There is no onus on you to hide your guns or do anything else you would not normally do. Do try to avoid the contentious subjects - or, put another way, don't be the instigator of such discussions yourself - and focus on what you have in common. :)
 
Sounds like there will be trouble anyway. Several things take precedence, however. First, he is visiting you in YOUR house. While he is in your house he respects YOU and YOUR rules. If he can't do that he should get the hell out of YOUR house and not come back. Brother or not he ought to act in a civil manner. If he can't, he should stay away. It's that simple!
 
I think we all know the obvious: XD's brother is going to start something eventually.

So, XD, when your brother is in the middle of ranting about how guns are so bad, tell him, "You're better than that."

If he has a response, let me know; I've never had a response to that argument. Seriously, what can you say to that?
 
Yes Car, my brother know's not to bring the topic up, I'm sure he won't. The last time guns came up, it was UGLY! My brother got so pissed, after my dad backed me up, he got in his car and left! I find this humorous and ironic that he cannot and will not have a reasoned discourse on the issue, because he can't. His whole argument is based on popular media, brady campaign bulls***. I really should email the website www.gunfacts.info to him. If he's open minded enough to look at it, which I doubt, he will realize that he doesn't have an argument.

My brother went ballistic when I told him that "guns are fun".:D He said "that's how people get killed":rolleyes:, lol. I asked him how he draws that conclusion and he could not answer. Like I'm really gonna die when I'm out target shooting, lol! I've been shooting for 10 years now, practice and preach the 4 rules.:D What an absurd statement.
 
Very simple solution: Simply tell him: "Check your attitude at the door or leave. My house. My rules."

I did this to my sis-in-law one Thanksgiving. I love her to death but i wasn't going to let her ruin our holiday. When she showed up at my front door i simply told her "Hi. Come on in. But leave your attitude outside. Or leave. My house. My rules." She didn't much care for my remark but it worked.

Life's to short to put up with the bull****.
 
Same problem here... Long ago, we were both raised in the same family and raised by the same parents, but then my sister went to UC berkely and came back a raging lib. We've ruined many a dinner together, and tried as hard as we could to ruin a Thanksgiving. Finally I just decided to (take the highroad) absolutely refuse to be goaded into a fight. I would say "I think we both know we shouldn't be talking about this" and if that didn't work, I'd just walk away. It's hard 'cause sometimes is feels like defeat, but it's not. At first I think she felt like she was winning when I walked away, but now I think we have an understanding. Good luck!
 
Tell him you aren't *ever* willing to discuss guns or gun politics with him again unless he goes to the range with you.

If he takes you up on it, show him a good time. Review the safety rules and take some "fun guns" to show him the basics. Leave the politics out of it and just give him a shooting lesson.

Then just let it alone and see what happens over time.
 
Anger is a choice.

A brother is a precious commodity to lose.

Mike
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This is the wisest statement thus far in the thread. I hate to say it, but I would rather have my brother than have my guns.
 
Shooter : My brother decided to go his own way when he was around 16. His relationship with my dad has been rocky over the year's, but as of late, they have made amends. My brother is a probation officer with a human development degree, translation : liberal indoctrination in college. My brother see's the worst of society on a daily basis and I believe he equates guns as part of the problem, not the solution. He fails to look at the real problem, the criminal.

Me on the other hand, I've always been very close to my dad, still am.:D My dad taught me how to shoot when I was 8 years old on a single shot 22. He got me interested in guns and taught me safe gun handling, I'm very thankful to him for that. I'm also a very shy, quiet person who likes the more individualistic hobbies, shooting, hiking, camping, four-wheeling, ect.

My brother, on the other hand, wanting nothing to do with what my dad taught me. He likes the more social hobbies like basketball, volleyball, golf, ect. My brother is a "city slicker" and I am an "outdoorsman". I hate the city, love the mountains, my brother is just the opposite.

My brother also gets the majority of his information from the popular media, when he decides to watch the news, which is not very often. Me, on the other hand, I get my info from the internet, this and other gun boards, the NRA, gunblast.com, and so many others. I tend to do a lot of research on my own to reach my own conclusions, my brother does not.
 
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