My UPS guy and OPSEC after several large ammo purchases

[medalguy]

Deltaboy must use the same drop box store I use. The lady there is always telling me when I walk in "You got more bullets" and her husband wants to go shooting with me one day.

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

a thread on your UPS delivery guy has actually gone to 4 pages?

lol

 

[grubbylabs]

I don't eve n know what OPSEC stands for but it sounds like someone has been watching to much self defense TV and playing to many video games. I for one am all for accruing as much ammo as possible, but I just want to be able to shoot, not defeat the invasion of the zombie army.

 

[Tennessee Ned]

I was just on the UPS forum and there was a thread from one driver who was complaining that his back was hurting from delivering case after case of ammo. That's probably your guy.

 

[Good&Fruity]

GREAT examples of UPS delivery employees stealing PACKAGES!!

Since your cited examples are different than your original stated concerns -

- were you able to find any examples to show us about UPS delivery employees master-minding a home-invasion or break-in to steal what they had previously delivered?

:banghead:
If you read the thread you'll note that the following posts took place.

Sounds like much ado about nothing. UPS drivers have 9-10 hours worth of deliveries to do in 8 hours - they just want to drop it off and go

While my concern was about being robbed as a result of him now knowing I have all this stuff (OPSEC), not having my package stolen by the UPS guy, I stated the following in reply to his assertion about them being too busy to be stealing packages.

You realize many have been caught stealing packages they were supposed to be delivering?

Here he is asking me to cite a source

No, have any published data to support this?

I cited a source. If you really want to look for additional evidence, google is your friend. I'm tired of being distracted with posts about 'they could just steal the package at the UPS facility' because some people can't read. READ - THE - ORIGINAL - POST. I said I'm concerned about getting robbed because he knows I have all this ammo I ordered recently, not that I'm worried about him stealing my packages.:banghead:

 

[daorhgih]

Now, here is a serious question:

Can a person in one state ship via their UPS franchised office, some bullets (less than 50#) to another persons UPS mailbox in another state? Like, is there a "franchisee" who might balk at accepting ammo for delivery and direct one to the Hub, or whatever? I'm getting a bit of static from the shop-owner. How do we do this on the up-n-up?

 

[Good&Fruity]

Just what exactly do you plan on saying to the UPS driver's management? That he delivered the package properly but wasn't sufficiently sociable?

I suggest that you and the OP take a look in the mirror and subject yourselves to the same level of psychological scrutiny you're putting this poor driver through just because "he knows".

Did you read the thread? I've repeatedly stated that the description of the driver, and his state of mind was given to point out that maybe he is not the kind of guy that would rob someone. He wasn't nosey, peering through my open door when delivering the package. He seemed like they kind of guy that just wants to do his own thing (moustache) and minds his own business (in his own world).

 

[Good&Fruity]

oh brother.

 

[Mudinyeri]

Can a person in one state ship via their UPS franchised office, some bullets (less than 50#) to another persons UPS mailbox in another state? Like, is there a "franchisee" who might balk at accepting ammo for delivery and direct one to the Hub, or whatever? I'm getting a bit of static from the shop-owner. How do we do this on the up-n-up?

The retail stores are not allowed to ship ORM-D per company policy.

 

[daorhgih]

Hey, Mark, often they ARE the same. Does "need to know/HUMINT" strike you as flim-flam also?

 

[Good&Fruity]

I can't imagine that many UPS employees would risk a home burglary or home invasion. It would seem much easier for them to steal packages enroute or reroute them to another address.

I'll say AGAIN. Not worried about the guy stealing the package here...

 

[Good&Fruity]

Of course, the OP's Large ammo purchase has never been defined. A green dry box from Cabela's with a few hundred rounds? A truckload of AP surplus? Or something in between.

Not a green dry box, and not a truckload of AP surplus. My OP stated "..ordered...more than a few cases of ammo". Obviously not a green dry box.

Since there about as many crooked cops as UPS drivers, perhaps you should be worried if you have a CCW as now they know you have a gun. Don't forget your homeowner's insurance rep, because you DO have your firearms insured with a separate rider to cover losses, right?

More crooked cops than UPS drivers? Source please? Besides, a ccw on my person at a traffic stop doesn't equate to "jackpot" at home. Delivering a lot of ammo to my home does mean "jackpot" at home.

How about the credit card companies that can track your purchases and see where you have been shopping. Don't forget all those "cookies" trackers from buying on-line.

My purchase says some random number on my statement, not "5,000" rounds of Hunting Cartridges". Can't really tell what I ordered. Also, they are on the other side of the country, not like they are going to quit their job and drive across the country to steal my stuff.

The UPS guy lives here and knows what's in the packages because they are heavy and clearly marked as ammo.

 

[alsaqr]

Sounds like much ado about nothing. UPS drivers have 9-10 hours worth of deliveries to do in 8 hours - they just want to drop it off and go

Bingo. Our UPS guy has delivered black powder, smokeless powder, thousands of primers, big boxes of bullets and a few hundred thousand rounds of ammo over the years. He rings the doorbell and books unless a signature is required.

 

[feedthehogs]

Just tell mom to put an alarm system in the house and quit using acronyms like opsec and stalking the cat at night in black pajamas wearing gen 1 night vision.

 

[straybullet]

If one can avoid something bad happening through mitigating steps, then why not.

This is the whole reason I have a home defense weapon, I pray that it will never lead to a situation where I have to use it to defend my familys or my life but on the off chance something one day could happen I remain vigilant. So many people here seem to think a mans reasoning for feeling uneasy is "much ado about nothing". This thread isn't about the statistics on how many times a delivery employee has robbed a home, it's about the unease of the OP and the "what-if".


Operations security (OPSEC) is a process that identifies critical information to determine if friendly actions can be observed by adversary intelligence systems, determines if information obtained by adversaries could be interpreted to be useful to them, and then executes selected measures that eliminate or reduce adversary exploitation of friendly critical information.

^Also seems to fit the OPs concern in a round about fashion.

 

[straybullet]

Just tell mom to put an alarm system in the house and quit using acronyms like opsec and stalking the cat at night in black pajamas wearing gen 1 night vision.

That sure sounds high road...

 

[CZguy]

Bingo. Our UPS guy has delivered black powder, smokeless powder, thousands of primers, big boxes of bullets and a few hundred thousand rounds of ammo over the years. He rings the doorbell and books unless a signature is required.

Yep same here. My brother in law is a UPS driver and when I asked him about this thread, he said "they are kept at a flat run all day, and could care less what they are delivering".

In other words don't worry about OPSEC...........but you have severely compromised COMSEC by posting this on the internet.

 

[Toforo]

Yep same here. My brother in law is a UPS driver and when I asked him about this thread, he said "they are kept at a flat run all day, and could care less what they are delivering".

In other words don't worry about OPSEC...........but you have severely compromised COMSEC by posting this on the internet.

The thing I hated about working COMSEC was taking flak from everyone you had to report for their EEFI violations.

Sheesh!

NAVSECGRU ROCKED!
In God we trusted - everyone else, we monitored....

 

[smcd1983]

I understand the desire for privacy here, and there have been some good points made in that aspect, but how am I only the second person to think that ripping off the guy who buys ammo by the case sounds like a terrible idea. I know not all crooks are smart but i'd be more worried about large shipment of electronics or something getting that kind of attention than ammo. I think the ammo might even be a deterrent to most would be thieves as its a pretty good sign that you're armed and practice too.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

To paraphrase everyone who told you before, if you're that concerned... Don't order your ammunition online.

And for the what if situation? Let them burglarize your home, call the cops, give a description of the driver, call the company, inform them of what happened, and file the insurance paperwork. SIMPLE AS PIE.

 

[bbuddtec]

I get the same look when I have tires delivered, hehe, and my mail lady puts my projectile shipments in a plastic bag when it's rainy

I'd go with throw the dude something cold to drink and see. (I like iced tea, hehe )

 

[CTPhil]

I'm not concerned about a delivery person targeting me because of ammo purchases.

1. With all of the low hanging fruit out there, why would you target someone sitting on an armory?

2. What's up with the assumption that guns are an easy target? People with guns often have a gun safe. Or the guns are hidden all over the house and would take a long time to find.

3. There's also the assumption of value. I have a lot of guns, but nothing of great value. If someone got them all, I doubt they're worth $2000, and many would be hard to turn into money.

4. In a typical day, I'll bet a UPS person delivers dozens of items that are far more lucrative, and goes to homes far more upscale than rolling the dice just because some regular guy buys a lot of ammo.

 

[oneounceload]

I said I'm concerned about getting robbed because he knows I have all this ammo I ordered recently, not that I'm worried about him stealing my packages

And just about everyone has stated you are making a mountain out of a molehill, except you're not getting the sympathy you were wanting.

Let's try this again: MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

If you are truly that scared and paranoid, buy a mountain top and fortify it

 

[natman]

I'll say AGAIN. Not worried about the guy stealing the package here...

OK, fine. If you are really that worried about the UPS guy knowing that you have ammo, have it shipped somewhere other than your house. Yes that will be a hassle, but how much is your OPSEC worth to you?

Just don't take it out on the individual UPS driver.

 

[Average Joe]

He looks at you funny, because that stuff is heavy.....I bet he cringes every time he sees your address on his list.....