Hanzo581
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Can you elaborate on this? I am not sure what respect has to do with this. Did you mean trust?
New range rule: give us your DL
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Can you elaborate on this? I am not sure what respect has to do with this. Did you mean trust?
I routinely let the folks at the counter hold my DL while shooting, no big deal. There used to be this publication that circulated to nearly everyone in every community called a phone book. In it contained loads of personal information, full names, addresses and the like.
My range holds your car keys when they give you the key to the range. I filled out a short info form when I started shooting there, so all my info is in their file. The owner greets me each time I walk through the door, "Hey Hoss! How's it going? Watcha shootin today? Let me know if there's anything ya need. Oh, I need yer keys. Grab a target, have a good time."
If you don't build a friendship with and trust your range guys, there's no use in going there.
If you don't build a friendship with and trust your range guys, there's no use in going there.
Hanzo581
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Ok keys to your car is a hundred times worse than handing over your license.
oneounceload
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I have only had to give them my DL when at an indoor range - out door ones don't seem to worry about it
It really isn't that big of a deal
It really isn't that big of a deal
My local outdoor public range makes you buy a membership. I think it was a one time $10 fee. They go over the rules and issue you a range card. It's been so long ago I don't remember what information was required.
When you go to the range you just give them your range card. They put it on a clipboard showing the assigned lane. My card just shows my first and last name with the date issued. They do make you pay in advance.
The local indoor range I go to keeps your DL but you don't pay until you leave. I know they offer a membership but I've never joined or asked the details.
When you go to the range you just give them your range card. They put it on a clipboard showing the assigned lane. My card just shows my first and last name with the date issued. They do make you pay in advance.
The local indoor range I go to keeps your DL but you don't pay until you leave. I know they offer a membership but I've never joined or asked the details.
MyGreenGuns
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My A: to your Q:
Q: How would having someone's DL make it easier for the owners to collect damages? Would not the individual simply be able to get a replacement DL?
A: Its easy for them to hand the DL to the LEOs and let them find you. You could get a new DL, but the LEOs would still be looking for you.
Q: Are the owners taking on a risk by collecting the DLs? What happens if the DL is mishandled ( given back to the wrong person, information lifted,...) or the person leaves without it?
A: No risk on their part. Given to wrong person: It helps to KNOW your friendly range clerks. Also, it has YOUR picture on it. Info lifted: My name and address? Come creepin around, I'll greet ya with the shotty. Person leave w/o it: thier loss and/or they didnt pay, call in the LEOs.
Q: I am also curious if this practice is in place elsewhere?
A: When I rent equipment I use on site, its pretty common. (IE: Jetski, snowboards, guns) Im less comfortable with them making a copy than just holding on to it.
My range copies the info when you 1st shoot there. After that, they only take it of you rent a gun. They leave it face down where the rental gun sits. I already have tape over the barcode so it doesnt matter.
To the guy who leave his keys: Oh #### NO! I'll gladly leave my license. I've left my ($400) watch once when I forgot my DL. But no-one gets access to my keys, for any reason.
Q: How would having someone's DL make it easier for the owners to collect damages? Would not the individual simply be able to get a replacement DL?
A: Its easy for them to hand the DL to the LEOs and let them find you. You could get a new DL, but the LEOs would still be looking for you.
Q: Are the owners taking on a risk by collecting the DLs? What happens if the DL is mishandled ( given back to the wrong person, information lifted,...) or the person leaves without it?
A: No risk on their part. Given to wrong person: It helps to KNOW your friendly range clerks. Also, it has YOUR picture on it. Info lifted: My name and address? Come creepin around, I'll greet ya with the shotty. Person leave w/o it: thier loss and/or they didnt pay, call in the LEOs.
Q: I am also curious if this practice is in place elsewhere?
A: When I rent equipment I use on site, its pretty common. (IE: Jetski, snowboards, guns) Im less comfortable with them making a copy than just holding on to it.
My range copies the info when you 1st shoot there. After that, they only take it of you rent a gun. They leave it face down where the rental gun sits. I already have tape over the barcode so it doesnt matter.
To the guy who leave his keys: Oh #### NO! I'll gladly leave my license. I've left my ($400) watch once when I forgot my DL. But no-one gets access to my keys, for any reason.
leadcounsel
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While you should always protect it, it can be common for places to ask for it...
Ever test drive a car. They photocopy it. Bars. Restaurants. Gas stations (when you need to surrender an ID to pump gas), etc.
Ever test drive a car. They photocopy it. Bars. Restaurants. Gas stations (when you need to surrender an ID to pump gas), etc.
BlackMagic308
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I've never been to a firing range that didn't ask for your DL or some form of state ID. I never took issue with it. I used to work on a range with that rule, too. We'd had people leave them behind and they got locked in a safe for a period of time. Either they called looking for it or we turned it in to the DMV. Having worked on a range for years, I get it. People do some really bizarre things on the range.
JohnM
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Well, I don't know where you all are from, but I have NEVER been somewhere that wanted to hold on to my drivers license for any reason. Or leave watches, car keys, Whut next!? Hand over a bill of sale for you guns in case you damage a shooting range!?!
MikeNice
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Nearly every company has a janitor, that is paid miserably, that cleans the rooms where these records are kept. They often prop the doors open to make their night go faster. They get the supervisor to let them in to the area and then they prop the doors and walk off. Literally, your information becomes available to anyone walking by.
I have been every where from hospitals to Fortune 500 companies where this happens.
Why does a gun range need to hold a DL? It is like holding collateral. Are you going to lose half a day at work plus pay $20 to get your license redone or pay $10 for the target holder you shot? Plus the person probably won't drive without their license. So, if you need to call the cops in to settle something the person is kind of held hostage.
My DL contains name, address, DOB, physical description, and a photo. The back has a magnetic strip and bar codes. It's a bit more than an old style phone book listing.
Personally, I think collecting a DL is a poor business practice. If you need collateral, get a deposit. Gives better legal protections to both parties.
Personally, I think collecting a DL is a poor business practice. If you need collateral, get a deposit. Gives better legal protections to both parties.
NavyLCDR
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H & H indoor gun range in Oklahoma City held onto DL's when you were on the lane, even members. Never had any issues.
True story:
When I was in Iraq, we would have to surrender our Military IDs to use a computer or phone or whatever at the rec center. This was in Baghdad. I went to retrieve my ID (I was a Lieutenant, O-3 in the Navy), and the E-1 or E-2 at the desk couldn't find my ID! We looked for an hour.
So, I notified his supervisor - just for info, I wasn't pissed.... yet. Then I went to security and told them about it to start the process for a new ID. They said I needed to get a counseling report because I lost MY ID! That's when I got pissed. So, we turn our ID's over to the counter guy at the rec center to use a computer or the phone, and I have to be counseled because HE lost my ID?!?
I said, how about this, how about I bring you a counseling report that shows that I counseled the E-2 that lost my ID?!? They said, no sir. It's your ID card. You are responsible for it at all times, it's your problem it got lost. I lost it. ***?!? So, I guess nobody here is supposed to use the computers or phones or anything else at any of the rec centers here because we have to surrender our IDs in order to do so, but yet I am going to be responsible when E-2 sitting at the desk loses it?!?
Anyway, I went back to the rec center and we started disassembling first the chair the guy was sitting in (and I was going to take everything apart there), and found the ID buried in the workings of the desk chair.
True story:
When I was in Iraq, we would have to surrender our Military IDs to use a computer or phone or whatever at the rec center. This was in Baghdad. I went to retrieve my ID (I was a Lieutenant, O-3 in the Navy), and the E-1 or E-2 at the desk couldn't find my ID! We looked for an hour.
So, I notified his supervisor - just for info, I wasn't pissed.... yet. Then I went to security and told them about it to start the process for a new ID. They said I needed to get a counseling report because I lost MY ID! That's when I got pissed. So, we turn our ID's over to the counter guy at the rec center to use a computer or the phone, and I have to be counseled because HE lost my ID?!?
I said, how about this, how about I bring you a counseling report that shows that I counseled the E-2 that lost my ID?!? They said, no sir. It's your ID card. You are responsible for it at all times, it's your problem it got lost. I lost it. ***?!? So, I guess nobody here is supposed to use the computers or phones or anything else at any of the rec centers here because we have to surrender our IDs in order to do so, but yet I am going to be responsible when E-2 sitting at the desk loses it?!?
Anyway, I went back to the rec center and we started disassembling first the chair the guy was sitting in (and I was going to take everything apart there), and found the ID buried in the workings of the desk chair.
Fishslayer
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The range I go to holds either your DL or membership card. It's clipped to a paper with your charge slip or whatever it is and stuck in a slot assigned to your lane number. You run a tab while you're there and pay up after.
In addition to making sure you remember to pay up, return rental guns, etc. I'm guessing they want to have a way of knowing exactly who is out there (it's a busy range) at any time.
A friend of a friend that was shooting with us ran off without his DL once. I didn't mind that but he also ran out without paying his share of the tab.
In addition to making sure you remember to pay up, return rental guns, etc. I'm guessing they want to have a way of knowing exactly who is out there (it's a busy range) at any time.
A friend of a friend that was shooting with us ran off without his DL once. I didn't mind that but he also ran out without paying his share of the tab.
Nushif
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I think a lot of the opposition to the notion of handing someone your DL number is in the nature of the request.
At my 24hour indoor range for instance, I had a very calm guy, doing his very routine looking thing on his very official paperwork, as he made up a very nifty looking electronic key for the range, while I filled out the form that did include my DL number.
I thought nothing of it.
On the other hand, had I gotten some guy who looked very funny at me for being less than 50, and owning something other than a hunting rifle, double verifying my IDs, glaring at my tattoos and expecting a "Yes Sir!/No, Sir!" as if he was the Officer here and me some lowly PFC, while writing down information by hand on some grubby notepad with all kinds of mixed information in it ... not so sure I would be willing to hand over my DL number, much less my money.
I am really starting to think that most of these trust/customer/service issues stem from the utter lack of professionalism and exceedingly poor customer service that about 80% of the gun industry seems to have coupled with this notion that if you don't look or act a certain way, or even worse are new to the field you are clearly not worthy of the dirt these hallowed merchants stand on.
Just some food for thought. I really am starting to think this. Because on first contact most shooters I meet are friendly folk, and while we selmdomly agree on the shared political or cultural rants, we can get along nicely. But the moment they have any kind of power and notions about me from either my looks or opinions I end up on the receiving and usually retaliating end of stories like this one.
Something to think about for sure. In my first example I handed over my DL without a qualm. The second example is worthy of a rant write-up.
At my 24hour indoor range for instance, I had a very calm guy, doing his very routine looking thing on his very official paperwork, as he made up a very nifty looking electronic key for the range, while I filled out the form that did include my DL number.
I thought nothing of it.
On the other hand, had I gotten some guy who looked very funny at me for being less than 50, and owning something other than a hunting rifle, double verifying my IDs, glaring at my tattoos and expecting a "Yes Sir!/No, Sir!" as if he was the Officer here and me some lowly PFC, while writing down information by hand on some grubby notepad with all kinds of mixed information in it ... not so sure I would be willing to hand over my DL number, much less my money.
I am really starting to think that most of these trust/customer/service issues stem from the utter lack of professionalism and exceedingly poor customer service that about 80% of the gun industry seems to have coupled with this notion that if you don't look or act a certain way, or even worse are new to the field you are clearly not worthy of the dirt these hallowed merchants stand on.
Just some food for thought. I really am starting to think this. Because on first contact most shooters I meet are friendly folk, and while we selmdomly agree on the shared political or cultural rants, we can get along nicely. But the moment they have any kind of power and notions about me from either my looks or opinions I end up on the receiving and usually retaliating end of stories like this one.
Something to think about for sure. In my first example I handed over my DL without a qualm. The second example is worthy of a rant write-up.
timhernandez
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My Local Range collects either a DL or your membership card when you get a lane. You get your stuff back when you check out.
I do not consider this an infringement on my rights or a potential area of compromise.
I do know that this policy came in very handy when a woman came in, rented a pistol and a lane, and killed herself. The DL was their only way to know who she was.
I do not consider this an infringement on my rights or a potential area of compromise.
I do know that this policy came in very handy when a woman came in, rented a pistol and a lane, and killed herself. The DL was their only way to know who she was.
artbrownsr
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I would allow my DL# to be recorded but my license stays with me if that is not acceptable I don't shoot there EVER!
SharpsDressedMan
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Standard procedure most places. You guys in WV and TN: Coming soon to a range near you! 
I'd suggestgetting used to it or continue shooting outdoors. Their range, their rules. They will give it back when you are done shooting and pay your bill.
I'd suggestgetting used to it or continue shooting outdoors. Their range, their rules. They will give it back when you are done shooting and pay your bill.Big deal.
You travel anywhere outside the US and the hotel will usually ask for and keep your passport. It's a surety. And if you are really worried about identity theft you need a service like Lifelock or its equivalent.
Heck, you don't need a person's DL or passport to steal their identity. Your trash can out back is a MUCH bigger ID theft risk.
You travel anywhere outside the US and the hotel will usually ask for and keep your passport. It's a surety. And if you are really worried about identity theft you need a service like Lifelock or its equivalent.
Heck, you don't need a person's DL or passport to steal their identity. Your trash can out back is a MUCH bigger ID theft risk.
If it really bothers some folks, they can go to the trouble and risk to build a seperate identity with a fradulent form of I.D., and use it only for the purpose of shooting ranges, ammo purchases, etc. As long as they don't present it to a legitimate LEO during some official, legal contact, they might be safe. I would imagine it would take some legwork to be really good, but I have seen some really convincing documents. I don't think a tinfoil hat in the photo would be very smart though.
My local indoor range requires this. They have a stapler for stapling your targets up with the lane numbers on it in a pocket specifically for that lane. You trade your ID for the stapler, and then back when you leave.
To prevent suicides, they have a rule that in order to rent a gun you either have to have your own (don't have to use your own, just show that you have one) or come with a friend.
To prevent suicides, they have a rule that in order to rent a gun you either have to have your own (don't have to use your own, just show that you have one) or come with a friend.
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