New Years Eve Mess

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kngflp

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So I was at a party on new years eve, not one I would normally go to, but I was with a girl and thats were she wanted to go. It was the college kegger type party, I had been drinking a little bubbly and had planned on drinking a little more so my pistol was locked in the trunk. I was mingling and meeting people throughout the night and had been sipping on the same dixie cup of warm beer since I arrived. At midnight everyone crowded into the den for the countdown. At some point I or someone else pushed, elbowed, shoved or otherwise aggrivated this one guy. He saw me and for some reason decided I was at fault. He had to have been pretty drunk because I am 6'3 250 and he was about 6'0 175. As soon as he gets in my face one of his buddies pulls him away and escorts him outside. He comes back in and apologizes and offers to pour me a beer. We talk and laugh off the previous encounter. About an hour later I am standing out back,against the wall having a smoke sipping the same beer talking to a guy. I am standing near the keg and don't pay attention to the 5-6 guys standing around it. Next thing I know I have been sucker punched in the jaw/ear area. As I spin around I notice the guy from earlier and 4-5 other guys. My back is against the wall, the have formed a semi circle around me. All I hear is them yelling at me and I am yellin at them. There yelling about a knife and I notice there are refering to the CRKT m16 in my hand. I still dont remember pulling it out of my pocket, but there it was in my right hand pulled close to my body and my left hand was up in a defensive postition. The exchange of words goes on for a few minutes. The main kid is quickley trying to talk himself out of the situation, as am I, I just keep telling them to go inside, they keep telling me to put down my knife. I eventually release the lock on the knife with my thumb and fold the blade back up still holding it my hand. The people who own the house come outside and everything starts to chill out. As the home owner is talking with me I see the others walking away. He is sorry that it happend but was politley asking me to leave, I have no problem with this and I slip out the back gate. I meet my friend out front and we quietly leave.

Did I do anything wrong? Besides not leaving after the first inncidint? If things had escalated what legal reprocutions would I have faced. 6 on 1 isn't even close to a fair fight, but only one person actually attacked me. I am thinking the knife in my hand probably halted any one else from moving in on me. I am very glad I had not drink that much and I was able to keep a clear head through out the night. I would not ever want to be in that situation heavily intoxicated. If I had not been drinking at all that evening I would have been carrying a gun, would I have been justified in brandishing a gun in this same situation?
 
I hate to say this but if you had of cut or stabbed someone they would have charged you with Assualt with a deadly weapon. There are 1000's of good guys in jail that had a little to much to drink and someone ended up dead or hurt badly that would not have been if drinking had not have been going own I just grateful that no one was hurt.
 
Once upon a time I was command duty officer on USS Ranger when I received a phone call from an upset father of one of our sailors. Said sailor was home on leave when he visited a bar he used to frequent back before his Navy days. In the bar was an ex-girl friend who kept a grudge. Ex-girl friend had a drunken champion with her who decided to fight for the damsel's honor.

Sailor had opportunities to leave, but he stood his ground. When it was over, drunken champion lay dead on the floor with a knife wound to the heart. Sailor had but one friendly witness to ex-girl friend and dead champion's many witnesses. Sailor was arrested and charged with murder.

Said incident reinforced my personal policy of never hanging around with angry drunks.

Pilgrim
 
Im glad it all wokred out OK.

I think the only mistake you made was being to trusting, of the guy who tried to fight you earlier. It was good of you to talk with him, but a bad decision.

This makes me think- One thing nice about a gun is that it is such a high-level threat that no one wants to make a move. Thus people end up far less likely to be hurt, as opposed to pulling a knife or mace or taser.

A drunk might think he can be a superman and take a knife slash, but when hes staring down the barrel of a pistol...hes probably less inclined to want to be superman.
 
Yeah, someone who is in a rage one minute, then is willing to stand and chat like nothing happened the next is a bad sign, IMO.

As far as did you do anything wrong? Well, I'd be a bit concerned about not remmebering the knife coming out, but it DID stop you from being a punching bag for a GROUP of drunks. (Even if it was only one guy doing the beating, there were 3-4 to hold you should he lose his advantage...)

No one got hurt, and I abide by the same advice as a previous poster that I avoid the type of individual that likes to drink and fight.

Glad it turned out OK.
 
The only thing you did wrong was to drink where you were less than 100% comfortable and you put the knife away before the uneven numbers went away. If in any situation where there's a potential for trouble (a bunch of kids at a party with alcohol on someone else's turf is such a situation) be the guy that drinks grapefruit juice all night instead of being at even greater disadvantage than you already are.

The fact that you drew the knife, went into a guard postion and put your back to the wall in one motion without having to decide to do any of it is what your training is supposed to do for you. You were attacked and still didn't strike without thinking, but were ready if need be. I think you did pretty well. What if they had got you on the ground and kicked your brains out in a drunken gang-bang of violence? I think you should have kept the knife at the ready until they dispersed and then gotten out of there immediately.
 
Find a new girlfriend who doesn't like to party.
 
IMO you needed to leave AND call Police. You were assulted. 6vs 1 is grounds for wanting a weapon. First one to report wins. Let them know you don't want to press charges but get it down on paper (and get copy)
I had drunk come at me. I moved and he went down. (I kid you not I didn't lay hair on him) Later he had buddies because I "cold cocked him" They had worse luck. LOVE drunks. (I don't drink) Course that was when I was young and agile. (kept moving taking one at a time) Then left.
 
Being drunk in public without a sober, armed overwatch strikes me as height of foolishness...talk about vulnerable!
 
#1 problem drug in America: Alcohol. The number of crimes to which alcohol is a contributing factor is incalculable. Alcohol dwarfs cocaine, heroine, PCP and all the others combined. Why? It's legal. Make the others legal and they might compete with alcohol for the top spot, but while they're still illegal and expensive, they may finance gangs and motivate addicts to steal, but they won't easily get a law-abiding citizen into the kind of situation you got into at the party.
 
The basic rules of survival are 1-Don't do stupid things, 2- Don't associate with stupid people , 3 - Don't go to stupid places . A fight amongst people who have been drinking is a losing proposition.
 
You need to layer your defense a little more. A small shot of pepper spray might have taken the starch out of most of the guys (though with alcohol involved nothing is for certain) and given you the opportunity to evac. Alas until bat-belts become en vogue, we have to compromise on what we carry on a daily basis.
 
When angry drunks start making nice with you it just means that they are just sober enough to find a few friends before they deal with you. Thats a handy little que to go home.
 
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