Nine rounds of .380 vs five rounds of .38

Which for primary CCW?

  • Nine rounds of .380 ACP

    Votes: 127 50.8%
  • Five rounds of .38 Special

    Votes: 123 49.2%

  • Total voters
    250
  • Poll closed .
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It would be wonderful to be able to somehow foresee just what would transpire in the unlikely event of a violent criminal attack.

I do not have that ability.

I do, it's quite simple. If I go to the city, I take firepower. Out here in the woods with TWO, count 'em, TWO neighbors at the end of a 2 mille long rough maintained dirt private road 20 miles from the nearest incorporated town, I feel pretty safe. More apt to be attacked by a pack of wild boar than any humans out here. Even the nearest towns only have 2500 people, kinda Mayberry RFD except that I have a PO Box 'cause the PO doesn't deliver down here.

And, well, I can shoot strait and I ain't skirt.
 
For target use and plinking fine but Wally World is hardly the source for top of the line self defense ammunition. You have a vast shopping network and a vast research library at your fingertips.

yeah but I'm just not sold on the need for magic bullets, I'm a cheap curmudgeon and what I really want is a quality cartridge that I can practice and carry for about twenty five cents a round.
 
Deaf, I have an older Smith 19 and it jams up after 30 rounds or so of lead .38's.
A good cleaning solves the problem but is this a forcing cone issue?
Matt,

How wide is the cylinder gap? Is it real tight? I use a car spark plug feeler gauge to see about such.

Also, the forcing cone, is it rough?

And does it jam up with jacketed slugs after 30 rounds?

It could be many things but if it works fine AFTER each time you clean it then something is cause way to much fowling to freeze up the gun.

Deaf
 
It would be wonderful to be able to somehow foresee just what would transpire in the unlikely event of a violent criminal attack.

I do not have that ability.
KB,

If one keeps going by that then I should wear my AR15.COM Glock 35 de-ISISer gun with it's Storm Lake .357 Sig barrel and a couple of spare mags as my Glock 32 .357 Sig as backup.

Where I work as a contract programmer, a very tall building, we have some odd folks there in the morning as I walk from the parking lot through the spin up garage to the building. Now happily I can pack heat while I work but.. it has to be discreet. They do allow me to wear bluejeans but wearing a jacket all day is kind of odd. Thus the Centennial as a valuable place. I also have a spare Centennial for a practice gun, a dummy all metal one, and a snub .22 S&W 34 practice gun.

Thus I stay in practice far more than most people. It ain't my de-ISISer gun, but it will go the distance against many a shooter using far more capable guns.

And that is the real key, how good one is with their chosen weapon.

Deaf
 
People tend to carry what they want and come up with profuse rationalizations for carrying what they want to carry. Even if the rationalizations are pretty good--and they often are because people are amazingly good at rationalizing their decisions, rationalizing doesn't win gunfights.

People would be better served by taking the following advice given earlier in the thread.
AK103 said:
...take both to the range, and practice as realistically as you can with them, and compare the results.

By realistically, I dont mean slow fire bullseye shooting, I mean drawing from how you carry the gun, and energetically engaging the targets (emphasis on "targets" too), in as many different ways as you can. This will give you the best idea as to whats going to work the best for you.
 
Posted by MCGunner:
I do [(have the ability to somehow foresee just what would transpire in the unlikely event of a violent criminal attack)], it's quite simple.
I respectfully suggest that you do not. No one does.

If I go to the city, I take firepower. Out here in the woods with TWO, count 'em, TWO neighbors at the end of a 2 mille long rough maintained dirt private road 20 miles from the nearest incorporated town, I feel pretty safe. More apt to be attacked by a pack of wild boar than any humans out here. Even the nearest towns only have 2500 people, kinda Mayberry RFD except that I have a PO Box 'cause the PO doesn't deliver down here.
You are addressing the likelihood of a criminal attack, and yes, we can make some judgment about that.

But that has nothing to do with the amount of "firepower" you would need in the unlikely event that you do need "firepower". Should a criminal attack occur, whatever the likelihood may have been beforehand, you are apt to need about the same capability to defend against it.

At one time, I carried a Centennial sometimes, and a higher capability semi-auto at other times. My reasoning at the time was that on some excursions into "safe" areas, I was not as likely to need to draw the gun.

That was of course true, but it really was not relevant to the decision about what to carry. I finally realized that should I need a firearm, there was no reason to expect the need to differ very much at all.

That is a very basic tenet of risk management.

Now, if the issue is that an attack by criminals is even more unlikely on your private road than it is in most other places, you can decide whether or not to carry at all. Realistically, I have no predictable reason to carry outdoors in the daytime in my yard. It's just that should it happen, I would like to be able to do something about it, and since I carry everyone else there is not reason to take the gun on and off all the time.

A pack of wild boar? Gosh.

Back to your private road and your two neighbors. Surely you are not concerned about them. But are there property items in any of the houses or on any of the property that might desirable to a couple of desperadoes in a truck? Your home environs sound nice, but I probably would carry.

I would carry the same thing that I should carry in the lot at the Walmart or at the service station.
 
Deaf, sounds as if it could be a tight cylinder gap.
Since it works fine with jacketed .38's I may just leave well enough alone.
 
Posted by JohnKSa:
People would be better served by taking the following advice given earlier in the thread.

Originally Posted by AK103
...take both to the range, and practice as realistically as you can with them, and compare the results.

By realistically, I dont mean slow fire bullseye shooting, I mean drawing from how you carry the gun, and energetically engaging the targets (emphasis on "targets" too), in as many different ways as you can. This will give you the best idea as to whats going to work the best for you.
Yes indeed.

But--when I think back five and a half years, I wonder how much, had I read and tried to heed that advice with what I knew at the time, it would really have benefitted me a great deal.

Someone who had taken a two day defensive pistol shooting course strongly recommended that I sign up for it. I looked into it and found that I would be expected to bring 1,200 rounds of practice ammo.

When I thought about how much my hand would sting after shooting two-plus boxes at a time through my Airweight Centennial or my S&W M&P 9C, I got worried. And then I learned that students were to bring semi--autos only with spare magazines, and that full size pistols were preferred.

I compromised by acquiring a steel-frame .45 Commander-length pistol with an Officer's frame.

Enough about equipment. The course was shortened to one long day with a lot of shooting. What I learned, first and foremost, was how much faster people were expected to shoot in those classes, and with how much less precision, than I had ever realized. That was a real eye-opener.

I took another course last year--the I.C.E. PDN Combat Focus Shooting course.

I took a compact 9MM. We trained in shooting at different targets located at different but close ranges, in different directions from the shooter, balancing speed and precision according to the situation, drawing while moving. Another real eye opener.

The real point was that in the real world, one does not set out to "go shooting" with the target already in mind and to try to hit certain zones on a stationary torso target located at a fixed distance directly in front of the shooter. One must react to an entirely unanticipated situation, effectively and very quickly.

I strongly recommend that course, or the "home study" version, but there are a number of other alternatives. Massad Ayoob, Tom Givens, and Mike Seeklander (to name just a few good ones) all offer courses, and they travel.

I really do think people should make an effort to attend one of these courses, particularly before forming opinions based on preconceived notions about the supposed effectiveness of a particular kind of defensive handgun.

I ended up with a different pistol and a different type of holster after the PDN course.
 
I really do think people should make an effort to attend one of these courses, particularly before forming opinions based on preconceived notions about the supposed effectiveness of a particular kind of defensive handgun.

After attending a one day Advanced pistol course I formed an opinion on what to take for a class :)

There were gun issues all day, plastic guns suffered jams and breakage and the guy with a new Sig 938 ripped open the webbing of his hand when we switched to support hand firing.

I took my S&W4566 and had fun shooting, I believe my Browning BDA(.380acp) would have been acceptable as well.

Rapid fire at multiple targets, shooting while moving and from concealment culminating in a scramble drill didn't do anything to make me question my choice of platforms.

Now if I can get a pocket gun class I'll be able to really assess my battery.
 
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I own a Bersa Thunder .380 and an LCR .38. Between the two, I chose the .38 9 out of 10 days.

I like and trust both guns and both fit comfortably in my pocket (I must have huge pockets because I don't understand how some think the Bersa is too big for pocket carry). Both are reliable, though I did have some issues with my Bersa early on. Both are accurate though I shoot the Bersa slightly better than the LCR.

To me, it doesn't come down to ballistics or # of shots. It comes down to which one is more comfortable in my pocket and which is most likely to BE in my pocket if the time comes to use it. The LCR is just more comfortable in my pocket and in my hand.
 
Posted by huntsman:
After attending a one day Advanced pistol course I formed an opinion on what to take for a class
Excellent! Step one is to get a realistic idea of what you will be expected to do with your gun. Few of us start out with a real appreciation of what kind of shooting to strive for. I sure didn't, and I had been shooting handguns since 1961.

There were gun issues all day, plastic guns suffered jams and breakage and the guy with a new Sig 938 ripped open the webbing of his hand when we switched to support hand firing.
One does see a lot of issues when one watches a large number of people shooting all day. A neighbor of mine found that the SIG he had been using at the square range did not fit his hand well enough for real defensive pistol shooting.

What I found was that my holster did not do the job. I also found that a safety that required a seperate step can cause problems.

Most of the mechanical failures at my class occurred in 1911 pistols. Having shot them from time to time for almost fifty years, I was surprised.

Rapid fire at multiple targets, shooting while moving and from concealment culminating in a scramble drill didn't do anything to make me question my choice of platforms.
Great. Step two, after having learned what to strive for, is to be able to do it.

Personally I'm not sure I'd want to take a DA/SA, though I had one for five decades, but many people can handle them very well.

Now if I can get a pocket gun class I'll be able to really assess my battery.
Those are getting harder and harder to find. A member here signed up for a back-up snubby class a while back, but it was cancelled due to lack of demand.

In one of the I.C.E. PDN videos, Rob Pincus demonstrates the following: his semi-auto fails; he drops it immediately; he draws a 642 strong-hand fom a belly-band holster and resumes firing.

My approach is to keep a 642 in a pocket holster in a left hand pocket in a vest, accessible when I am strapped into a driver's seat.

I think I would prefer a Ruger LCR, but I'm not planning to change.
 
"they might have friends"
I got enough on board to deal with a couple, and they all get a burst. :)

Thinking youre going to shoot once, and its done, will likely be prophetic. Just not how you think. ;)

Rules? What rules? Shoot faster. :D
 
Google 'em. Let's just say everyone gets a serving first, then they can have seconds.

It's a matter of time, or lack of it.

Deaf
 
I choose both.
I carry a S&W model 36 and a East German 9x18 Makarov, I carry the 36 in warmer months and the Mak in cooler months.
The 36 points well for me with Uncle Mikes boot grips, the Mak required a little grip sanding to point well.
I weighed in because I think the 9x18 Makarov and the 380 acp are close enough.
 
Google 'em. Let's just say everyone gets a serving first, then they can have seconds.
I understand the thought, and nothing is set in stone. Every situation is its own animal, and you deal as you see fit.

I normally shoot quickly, and very rarely just one shot. The first "shot" is a "hammer", and more often than not, a three round burst. Those rounds are on target pretty much simultaneously. At the very least, they would probably each get two. Of course, distance relates to time, and how you shoot.

Also, at the distances most seem to be expecting a confrontation, youre not wasting any ammo on COM shots, right?

Lets face it, pistol rounds are poor stoppers, and unless you hit the CNS, youre likely not going to see much immediate indication you even made a hit.
 
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