Opinions on AUG, XCR SCAR and 556 needed

[Bartholomew Roberts]

There is also the converse - if McCain gets elected or we win more pro-RKBA seats in Congress, a lot of the impulse for the crazy buying levels we have been seeing lately will evaporate.

 

[Tarvis]

Yeah, it must be an internal problem at Bushmaster. I don't know what sort of problems they are facing, but when it comes to business decisions I'm a trigger puller, no pun intended. If something needs to happen, you set it up so it will and figure out "how" along the way.

There is also the converse - if McCain gets elected or we win more pro-RKBA seats in Congress, a lot of the impulse for the crazy buying levels we have been seeing lately will evaporate.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[Kino74]

While alot of the Dems taking office are "proguns" they are still juniors with far left leadership to contend with. I do not forsee a permanent ban but we could be faced with another 10 year ban. If Obama takes office, I have no doubt that HR 1022 will be passed and anyone opposing Obama will be ostracized since Obama is given deity status by MSNBC and other networks.

Gun manufacturers are taking a extremely risky chance waiting till 2009 to release rifles.

 

[George Hill]

My problems with the XCR? It's not with the rifle its self. I think the design is quite good. My problem is the manufacturer. The company is rather flaky and the rifle would be full of win if anyone else was making it.
I would suggest Kimber or Springfield buy the design and manufacture it... two companies that don't have a rifle already in that category. I think they would do much better with it than RobArms is.
Better customer service.
Better consistency in quality.
Better marketing, promotion and dealer programs.
They don't consistently piss people off who had been helping them sell guns.
Heck, I'd love it if TAURUS was building the XCR.

 

[everallm]

George,

With all due respect you said exactly the same thing 6 years ago and RA are still out there doing the XCR thing.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116942&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

Robinson Arms might go under
I can't tell you how I heard it, but a little bird to me that Robinson Armaments might go under.
These are the guys that make the M96 and import what are probably the finest AK variants ever.

I can't say this news was surprising. The head honcho Alex himself is insistant on being involved in every single move the company makes... this isn't so bad, but Alex has a way of turning people off. Seems Alex's caustic charms are not the only issues, rather that it has become in this last year difficult to get things from R.A. such as repairs... or other customer service services. Thats not cool. Alex may know guns, but I don't think he really knows what he is doing when it comes to selling the guns and creating a loyal customer base.

If I was WILSON COMBAT or KIMBER or ROCK RIVER... I would be looking at buying out RA and taking it over. Because they (R.A.) do have good product.
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Last edited by George Hill : 06-12-2002 at 04:37 PM

 

[PercyShelley]

Whoah whoah whoah!

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=28&t=161050&page=5

Please bother to read the quote above you post that we made eariler.

Magpul is the cause of the delay due to design issues not some tin foil conspiracy from a Bushmaster.

 

[LoadedDrum]

My problems with the XCR? It's not with the rifle its self. I think the design is quite good. My problem is the manufacturer. The company is rather flaky and the rifle would be full of win if anyone else was making it.
I would suggest Kimber or Springfield buy the design and manufacture it... two companies that don't have a rifle already in that category. I think they would do much better with it than RobArms is.
Better customer service.
Better consistency in quality.
Better marketing, promotion and dealer programs.
They don't consistently piss people off who had been helping them sell guns.
Heck, I'd love it if TAURUS was building the XCR.

Better Customer Service

RA customer service absolutely rocks.
Between Terra and Allison all problems get solved. To suggest Taurus's CS is better than RA's is absurd IMHO.

 

[George Hill]

"With all due respect you said exactly the same thing 6 years ago and RA are still out there doing the XCR thing."

And they are doing no better than they were then. They are still there... but not only have they not grown... they've shrunk. No more people know what the M96 rifle is then they did 6 years ago. They have even lost one of their best distributor channels. They lost the VEPR II line. Sure the XCR is a bit (but not much) more popular than it was then, but there is no net growth. IN SIX YEARS.
Yeah, they are doing well.... I'm rolling my eyes here. Your comment proves that I was right then just as I'm right again now.
I don't say this gleefully... but regretfully. Because I think the guns are great. I just wish the company had some mojo going on. They don't. Instead they have a guy that promotes bitterness with those that were or could have been allies. That's no way to run a business.

If they improved customer service - great. Color me impressed. Now improve service with DEALERS who sell the guns.

 

[ny32182]

The XCR is far more popular than the M96 ever was.

And when it comes to SCAR spec rifles, they are the only game in town. Its a fine rifle, and a fine company. They could use some improvement in their marketing strategy, but I buy guns for the guns, not the marketing strategy.

 

[C-D-P]

Then don't buy a SCAR!

 

[variablebinary]

Sure the XCR is a bit (but not much) more popular than it was then, but there is no net growth. IN SIX YEARS...

...Your comment proves that I was right then just as I'm right again now...


...Now improve service with DEALERS who sell the guns...

I dont know, my last XCR is in the 2500 range. Taken at face value that is about 1200 XCR's sold a year since intro in late 2006. Quite a jump from the M96 days when they were doing 500 guns a year according to the ATF stats. What's that like? A 40% increase in sales

As for dealers...all the ones local to you dont have a negative word to say about them.

Besides, to be technical, they would have died in 2002 if you were right. Here we are 6 years later with the XCR selling better than the M96 and Vepr. Thankfully for the American arms industry, consider most arent doing anything worth a damn when it comes to new carbines...

 

[George Hill]

I thought you worked for them... every post of yours have been blowing XCR sunshine. Alex paying by the hour or by the post?
Or are you Alex?
I know a couple dealers that would say otherwise.