Outrage in Richmond VA

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"How big are these law enforcement agencies?"

From the Henrico County P.D. site - "In January 1998 the Division installed 40 mobile computers into patrol vehicles. This was the first phase of a project that would see over 500 officers and vehicles equipped with mobile computing capabilities."

From the City of Richmond P.D. site - 650 sworn and 130 civilians.

John
 
Thank you, JohnBT. That is what we were looking for.

Virginia seems like a strange place. Some of the most pro-gun people and organizations, as well as pro-gun laws (except for the 1 gun a month thing). Yet it seems to be a hotbed of JBTs.

This story seems like it's out of Matt Bracken's Enemies Foreign and Domestic. Like some roague mid-level supervisor who took off on his own jihad thinking that the top brass would pat his head and say "Good boy." Instead, he (they) got caught crossing way over the line.
 
Glad to help, I had a general idea about the departments, but was curious too. Our new city police chief has been stirring things up and reorganizing the department, so maybe he thought this task force would be a good idea. We'll see.

Oh, as of July 1, the one handgun a month law no longer applied to holders of a carry permit.

As far as the divisions in society go, I have a bunch of explanations, but none of them are conclusive. My personal belief is that it goes back to pro-English settlers east of the Blue Ridge vs. the Scot-Irish and Germans in the mountains and the Valley of Virginia. There has been a great deal written on this. Both sides of my family go back to before the Revoluntion and were Scots-Irish and Germans, with little branch of poor folks who had been Englishmen digging coal in Wales. No aristocrats here.

Then again it could be that the people who ran the student governments in high school are still trying to take over the world.

I'm all for law, but sometimes I think there's a little too much order. I blame that on my mother's red hair.

JBT
 
Thanks for the confirmation (I don't think it was unreasonable for us on the board to not be sheep and demand information before making judgments!).

Didn't the eliminate a lot of gunshows in California in a similar manner a few years back?

They'll be after the lever guns and shotguns used for duck hunting when they're done with the plastic guns.
 
JohnBT,

Thanks for the good work. This is a start.


Now we need the main stream media to pick up on it.

DM
 
Dm,

...Now we need the main stream media to pick up on it.
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Maybe you, jefnvk and some others who so doubted VCDL's veracity can make that happen. Haha.

Good luck.


BB62
 
BB62 -- No one, NO ONE, doubted VCDL's veracity. Wanting more than the account of one single person (unless you are CBS News) before spreading a story far and wide isn't asking too much. It's being responsible with our credibility.

I will do what I can to get the word out.
 
Where did the big rolling eyes go?




Hidden in the sand, me thinks.
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Sleeping, methinks.

It was not a rolling eyes. It was a request for a confirmation source.

How often do I hear on here how way too many people blindly follow anti-gun groups? Then, it is how can I not just believe what a pro-gun group is telling me?

I mean, how dare I question the accusation that it appears that pretty much an entire police force was tied up going door-to-door asking families if they knew people were buying guns. I mean, that just happens every day to make it immediately believable.

Then, how dare I ask for confirmation beyond the top people in the group that made the original accusations, like they are just all the suddenly going to say 'nope, we made it all up'.

Blind faith in your leaders will get you killed - Bruce Springsteen
 
Blind faith in your leaders will get you killed - Bruce Springsteen
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That is a two edged sword. Blind suspicion of your leaders will also get you killed. Ask the Davidians.

Maybe it's just bad to be blind.

I like to think that a group like VCDL has too much to lose by making up a story. Everybody knows that the Brady Bunch or CBS lies so they're not losing anything.

Sure anybody can make a mistake or get lied to but one only gets to lose his credibility once. Not good for a donation driven organization (driven by anyone other than Soros).

Another 2 edged sword......when one makes big rolling eyes at some body who is telling the truth then, well........the rolling eyes roll on.
 
Henry,

...No one, NO ONE, doubted VCDL's veracity.
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With respect, you didn't read all posts carefully or you would not have made the above statement.

...Wanting more than the account of one single person (unless you are CBS News) before spreading a story far and wide isn't asking too much. It's being responsible with our credibility.
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IMHO, wanting more detail/specifics is nothing extraordinary, but demanding that the confirmatory source be the mainstream media, especially given the subject matter (gun "rights"?? - eeek!) AND given the record of VCDL is IMHO, over the top.

Do people really expect the MSM to report anything, or anything of substance regardless of the magnitude of what happened in Richmond? I'm pretty sure that the MSM would be *thrilled* that any level of "abuse of powers" occured re:gun purchasers.

In my mind, the only way this is going to get "traction" is if formal complaints are filed, Congress critters are turned on to it, and a lawsuit commences. If you or others have suggestions on how I/we can help make that happen, please post 'em!

BTW, the post you responded to was not directed at you personally, just the general response from some.

Does anyone know if this has made its way to AR15.com?


BB62
 
Then, how dare I ask for confirmation beyond the top people in the group that made the original accusations, like they are just all the suddenly going to say 'nope, we made it all up'.
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It might have something to do with the fact that a lot of the folks on this thread are actually familiar with VCDL. Every state would be lucky to have a VCDL. If Phillip VanCleave says, hey, something's up, you can know there's a good man on the case. Best $15 a VA gunowner can spend, I say.
 
but demanding that the confirmatory source be the mainstream media
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Not my demand. The MSM will not cover this until... Well, probably never -- or at least not until they absolutly have to, an then they will cover it like it just happened that moment and it was their great investigative journalism that uncovered it.

This info is best spread via the alternative media (Internet) and no action will come of it unless lawyers make specific complaints through the correct administrative channels to cause someone higher up to want to avoid embarrassment.

Really, this is one of those cases where if you are not outraged it is because you are not paying attention. I said that from the very beginning. (See post #2 of this thread.)
 
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Immediate Battle Plan...

The MainstreamMedia -- just like the out-of-control agencies involved -- want this story to die. It doesn't fit their agendae, and/or it'll jeopardize budgets... and careers.

For our side to be heard, I advise all 2A supporters here to immediately do the following:

1. Pass the CNS story on to the Drudge Report. I have. However, a hundred follow-ups will get their attention... and maybe get the story out there.

2. Pass the story on to the Washington Times (NOT the WashPost-LibSheet). They have more investigative reach than CNS, so maybe they'll bump this up the journalistic food-chain. E-mail the Times urging their pursuit of this... deep into the bowells of BATFE/DOJ senior bureaucracy in Washington.

3. E-mail this to Fox news. O'Reilly ain't no friend of the 2A, but if he sees the story getting traction elsewhere, Fox might run it.

4. If you live in Virginia, write your state delegate and senator demanding an investigation. (It'll come down to Blue vs. Red Virginia, anyway.)

5. Regardless of your state of residence, write your U.S. congressman demanding an investigation of this incident and the federal agency(ies) involved.).

6. Turn out to as many gunshows as possible in the coming months... visibly armed with mini-tape recorders, cell phones, and (if permitted) digital cameras. Freedom Of Assembly ain't dead... yet.

If we let this just fade away without making a whole lotta noise, the Redcoats will just go underground for a while... then try it again in YOUR state when the political environment permits (and, eventually, it will!).

Folks, we just got a preview of what awaits us under a President Hillary and a Democrat/RINO-controlled Congress. Let's drive a stake into the beast's heart before it grows.
 
Best $15 a VA gunowner can spend, I say.
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And as a Maryland gun owner, it was a pretty darned good $15 well spent as well.

I wish MCDL were a fraction as good as VCDL.

VCDL has helped Marylanders numerous times that I can remember, and I thank every VCDL member for coming north to help win back freedom.
 
I just passed a link on this thread to Cam at www.NRAnews.com - hopefully he'll take a look and get the word out.

Ah, he knows about it...it just came up on the ticker at the bottom with a link to the CNS story...and G. Gordon Liddy has picked it up as well :D
 
ANY mainstream news agency in the area
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All I wanted was an area newspaper, or TV station or radio station. It didn't have to be CNN Headline news, or a FOX breaking alert.

I would find the notion that every single news outlet in the area is keeping this under wrap because they all want guns gone and approve of tactics like this to be a quite radical claim.

I cannot take claims posted under an pen name on largely anonymous boards to be proof.

You just give me a supporting news story, any media, pretty much any credible source, like the article above, and it goes a lot further to verify the story to me than telling me 'I can personally vouch for the group, here is all the good things they have done'.
 
The article above is not NEARLY as damning as the G Gordon Liddy interview at This link


I exhort all Virginia THRers to support Showmasters by attending their next gun show with (a) cash to spend (b) a pro-gun T-Shirt and (c) a digital camera. If you see BATFE hanging around and eavesdropping, start taking their picture.
 
I exhort all Virginia THRers to support Showmasters by attending their next gun show with (a) cash to spend (b) a pro-gun T-Shirt and (c) a digital camera. If you see BATFE hanging around and eavesdropping, start taking their picture.
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Alas, I think requisit show attire will now be accessorized with a disposable camera and a pearl recorder. I think a show filled with people sporting cameras will make one very loud statement.
 
Well the story seems to have legs now. Let's see how far she can run!
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Wont Happen, not news worthy in this day and age. What needs to be done, is every officer, from the top of the chain to the bottom, and those who hired them need to be fired. This action should not be tolerated, this is borderline roof top time. I am livid over this. That this can happen in the USA. :cuss: :banghead:

I dont care about just following orders excuses, I dont care about hearing any reason for this action, heads need to roll.
 
Don't forget political handlers. There is a politician or some bureaucrat beholding to a politician sponsoring and agreeing to flack for an incident of this type.

BTW, I know NRA and GOA brass lurk this board. Are you people investigating? A simple Y or N will be acceptable.
 
Don't forget political handlers. There is a politician or some bureaucrat beholding to a politician sponsoring and agreeing to flack for an incident of this type.
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Have not forgot, anyone involved, heads need to roll. If this goes unanswered, gets no network press play, and nothing is done, we have lost this 2A fight. Plain and simple.
 
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