Perfect 9mm pistol

[Michael Zeleny]

Glocks seem to thrive in the worst environments--there are threads on torture tests that border on the insane.

In a real-life defensive scenario I am much more likely to depend on my ability to hit the target than to require my sidearm to function with a coating of viscous mud. Glocks are cheap bangers for shooters unable to tell the difference beyond 50 feet. I train to see sharper and hold harder than that.

 

[mosesv2]

The perfect 9mm is the one I am going to buy next. For some reason it is going to do somehting for me that my others will not... and will promptly become unsuitable when my next handgun fixation takes hold.

That said, for general, accurate, ass kickery I would take a Sig 226 x-five.

Moses

Edited to add: The ultimate, as always, is the one you like... yawn.
I wish I could wave my magic fairy wand (nod to the latent homosexual undercurrent) and turn this, and every 9mm vs. .40 vs. .45 thread into a picture laden range report on the latest gun you just got back from getting customized...

 

[robertbank]

CZ 85

Nothing more to say.

Take Care

Bob

 

[boogalou]

I would like someone to explain to me how you can conduct torture on an inanimate object.....

An unpretentious one at that.....

With my arthritic hands, and poor eyes, my G17, Judy's G19, and my G21, can center-core (all 10s and a few 9s) a B27-Q HALF-SIZE Police And FBI Training Target, at forty feet, on any given day. A superior shooter would do much better, and at greater range! Is that not good enough for a combat handgun?

With all due respect, that's like saying the Glock is superior because it fires when you pull the trigger. Any other quality 9mm handgun will do the same thing, and since 95% of quality handguns will shoot better then their owners can hold them, your statement is pretty much irrelevant.

 

[Scorpiusdeus]

Hmmm, toss up between Sig P228 which for me IS the ultimate 9mm, but I'd have to give the P226 a close second place. Good enough for S.E.A.L.s good enough for me.

 

[czhen]

My, three cents, any order

Browning High Power,
CZ75/85
Beretta 92 FS

 

[1BLINDREF]

I'll go with:

1. Sig P228
1A. Sig P226
3. Sig P225
4. CZ75

But that's no surprise

 

[schmeky]

Have the Glock-o-philes noticed how many times the CZ has been listed? I prefer the CZ's lazer accuracy to the Glocks crummy trigger and "combat" accuracy.

As stated previously, I have both, a G17 as well as other 9's, including a CZ.

 

[olav_a]

My vote goest to the S&W 952 Performance Center. Very accurate and reliable.

 

[cobbhc]

For a gun I would count on the save my life?

Walther P99 AS loaded with 124gr Hydrashoks.

You can take the P99 to the bank on reliability. Loaded with cheap WWB ammo the thing is still accurate too. Glocks are great guns, but they just don't appeal to me. I'd put my weapon up against a Glock anyday.

 

[jpwilly]

CZ75, Hi Power, 1911, Sig, Glock all are great 9mm there are more that could easily make the list. I would have to vote CZ75

 

[Lousghost]

Have the Glock-o-philes noticed how many times the CZ has been listed?

Hello all. Newbie here. I have to emphatically reject anything CZ, because their trigger reach is ridiculously long. I cannot grip a CZ properly and reach the trigger. They and Berettas are the only two I've ever tried with this issue.

 

[Michael_2112]

I have always been really partial to the CZ 75b myself, as apparently many others are as well.

I recently purchased a slightly used (carried a lot, shot very little) Sig P228 and I'm starting to think it may just one of the most balanced feeling 9mm pistols ever. Plus, I find it of excellent overall dimensions for carry, range work and night stand duty. YMMV.


Regards,

Mike

 

[Autolycus]

I am going to go with the others and say a Sig P228. I love mine to death.

 

[R&J]

Senior Member

Join Date: 01-08-03
Location: Michigan
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1) I would like someone to explain to me how you can conduct torture on an inanimate object.....

An unpretentious one at that.....


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With my arthritic hands, and poor eyes, my G17, Judy's G19, and my G21, can center-core (all 10s and a few 9s) a B27-Q HALF-SIZE Police And FBI Training Target, at forty feet, on any given day. A superior shooter would do much better, and at greater range! Is that not good enough for a combat handgun?

2) With all due respect, that's like saying the Glock is superior because it fires when you pull the trigger. Any other quality 9mm handgun will do the same thing, and since 95% of quality handguns will shoot better then their owners can hold them, your statement is pretty much irrelevant.
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1) If you're done impressing yourself with easy cheap shots (are you ever?), can we just continue?

2) The useful accuracy was questioned. My point was, it's plenty accurate for its intended use--if I wanted to snipe, I'd use a rifle and scope--as a combat handgun, under conditions where most other weapons fail--I know, how can a gun fail? Did it have ambitions, dreams, faith?

The literal mind... :banghead:

--Ray

 

[Michael Zeleny]

it's plenty accurate for its intended use

Maybe a Glock is "plenty accurate" for your intended use. However, it is nowhere near accurate enough for mine. To be sure, I cannot vouch for its own intentions in the matter.

 

[R&J]

Michael Zeleny, Senior Member says...

1) "In a real-life defensive scenario I am much more likely to depend on my ability to hit the target than to require my sidearm to function with a coating of viscous mud.

2) Glocks are cheap bangers for shooters unable to tell the difference beyond 50feet.

3) I train to see sharper and hold harder than that."

*****

1) Good for you Mike! You do realize that most of us don't live inside your head?

2) Which is why Glock's the leading Military and Police issued handgun on the planet! Uh huh, makes sense!

3) Yes, I got that. You're better than most! And you wear it so well!

--Ray

 

[boogalou]

1) If you're done impressing yourself with easy cheap shots (are you ever?), can we just continue?

2) The useful accuracy was questioned. My point was, it's plenty accurate for its intended use--if I wanted to snipe, I'd use a rifle and scope--as a combat handgun, under conditions where most other weapons fail--I know, how can a gun fail? Did it have ambitions, dreams, faith?

The literal mind...

Ray - It wasn't a cheap shot. I have no doubt that the Glock is a fine firearm that serves you well. I was trying to interject some reasoned discussion into what does not exist - A perfect 9mm pistol. It is common in human nature to sometimes ignore objectivity when you think your choice in a handgun is being questioned. I've been guilty in the past of the same thing.

For example, why should I care whether Glock is the leading military and police issued handgun on the planet? I belong to neither of those two groups.

Also, there is this statement -

"The CZ 75 is the most widely issued pistol to government, military, police, and security agencies."

I have no idea whether the above statement is true or not, but it's used a great deal on gun boards by handgun owners.

Now consider Lousghost's dilemma -

Hello all. Newbie here. I have to emphatically reject anything CZ, because their trigger reach is ridiculously long. I cannot grip a CZ properly and reach the trigger. They and Berettas are the only two I've ever tried with this issue.

Should he buy a CZ75 anyways because of the "most widely issued pistol" statement? Or look for another quality 9mm that fits his hands? A quality 9mm that for all practical purposes, will be as reliable & accurate as a CZ75 or Glock.

That's what makes both statements concerning the issuance of Glocks & CZ75's to military, police, etc, irrelevant.

 

[Michael Zeleny]

Which is why Glock's the leading Military and Police issued handgun on the planet!

When a cop fails to hit his target, he calls for backup.

When a soldier fails to hit his target, he calls for an air strike.

As a self-employed civilian, I need a better gun for want of their recourse.

 

[atomd]

Hello all. Newbie here. I have to emphatically reject anything CZ, because their trigger reach is ridiculously long. I cannot grip a CZ properly and reach the trigger. They and Berettas are the only two I've ever tried with this issue.

If you come across one with different grips, give it a try. Thinner grips make it easier. Also, if you're carrying cocked and locked, the SA trigger reach isn't long. Make sure you are trying it out with it half cocked instead of fully decocked also. I don't think most would carry it fully decocked anyways because the trigger pull is too long and heavy. With thin grips and half cocked it most likely won't be an issue.

 

[robertbank]

"Which is why Glock's the leading Military and Police issued handgun on the planet!"

Which really is a sad state of affairs when you consider our Police Departments are not being armed with the best pistol to do the job but the least expensive one that our elected policians and societies buy because we don't want to pay the additional taxes to equip our police departments with the very best in equipment.

Take Care

Bob

 

[ernunnos]

Glocks are also a leading competition pistol.

When serious competitors want serious guns, they pick the 1911, the Glock, or (in Europe) the CZ. It's not a budget issue. Some firearms just work better. There's something about them that doesn't show up on any list of simple features that makes them superior tools for shooting quickly, accurately, and with confidence. I think it's a combination of reasonably low bore axis with a decent-to-superb trigger. The Glock's trigger isn't great, but it's consistent and easily improved, and it sits lower in the hand than just about anything else. But whatever the reason, Glock's earned its position in the market.

 

[JoeHatley]

My vote goes to the S&W 952 Performance Center

+1



Joe

 

[MassMark]

I have owned a lot of 9mm, (bought and sold) - from a variety of makers, (S&W, Glock, Browning, Colt, Sig, Ruger and beyond). The one 9mm that I have always kept and always will - the 9mm which I view to be "the best" for me not you or anyone else is my 1985 purchased Heckler and Koch VP70z. It has a horrible tigger for most, (I adore it) and a magazine release on the bottom, (I'm used to it). It was my first polymer autoloader - (Glock was not the first) and it rules in my opinion. Accurate - (DEEP rifling), dependable, easy as pie to maintain and take down and innovative. Plus, with 19-rounds of 9mm on deck and the ability, (if you know the right folks) to attach a stock and go 3rd burst - it's an engineering marvel. I love mine and honestly could not begin to tell you how many rounds I have put downtown with this gun, (many thousands). No hiccups, no glitches beyond replacing the magazine catch a few years ago. It's a great gun

 

[Michael Zeleny]

Glocks are also a leading competition pistol.

As limited to events unaffected by lack of accuracy.