Possible chance of a lifetime...

[leadcounsel]

I also would never move to any of the major big anti-gun cities. I value my freedom over a salary. I'd find a different profession or lower paying job in a free state/city.

Can you even own a handgun there? I think it's nearly impossible isn't it? And even strict for rifles and shotguns! And forget about the silencer.

 

[Tim the student]

Comparatively, how long would a commute from CT take?

A damn bit more than an hour, more like 2 - to Danbury at least. http://as0.mta.info/mnr/schedules/sched_results.cfm

This might also help:http://as0.mta.info/mnr/schedules/sched_form.cfm

Here is a LIRR map to help you search train schedules to think about commute times: http://mta.info/lirr/html/lirrmap.htm

Anything else we can google for you?

Again, these are only the first trains you will likely have to take. Don't forget to include your drive from your house to the train station, parking, walking from parking, and arriving early enough to ensure you won't have to wait for the next train. Then, at Grand Central, you will probably have to transfer trains to get close to where you are going. Then, you will have to walk to where you are going. It's possible to live within the boroughs and commute 45 minutes. You are also probably going to be commuting when everyone else is too - so don't expect a comfy seat, plan on standing.

Seriously, I think that something in your plan has to change, be it commute times (it takes 35 minutes from Minneola, which is not that far up LI at all to go to Penn Station), or living in the boroughs. I don't see how you can do it with the parameters you have set. Please though, find a way to make yourself happy and your plan succeed. But I sure would love to bet against you, as your plan stands now though.

 

[Prince Yamato]

I also would never move to any of the major big anti-gun cities.

You know, sooner or later, all the antis will move to your neighborhood. I think it's time a couple of us move into theirs and stir the pot a little.

 

[Prince Yamato]

But I sure would love to bet against you, as your plan stands now though.

You'd be surprised at how well I succeed when I put my mind to things! Something will happen that will allow me to get at least some of what I want... long guns can stay upstate... silencer in CT... at a minimum, I keep my Baby Glock. That's my absolute favorite...

 

[DHJenkins]

Rent a storage unit in CT. No offense, but musician jobs in the city aren't very long term for the most part.

Also, from what I've heard from people that live up there, you have to "be somebody" to get a carry permit in NYC. They aren't for the average citizen.

 

[Tim the student]

Hmm, thats what most successful people say..

But seriously, you are in NYC now, go down to Grand Central, or Penn Station, and get some schedules. Look at the time spent just on those trains. Like I said, you have to factor in all of your time, not just one leg of your commute.

Take the LIRR tomorrow somewhere, and then take it back in to the city, and from there, to where your final destination might be. Maybe you will be able to walk from Penn Station to your workplace, and that would be great, but I wouldn't plan on it, you know?

 

[Tim the student]

I also would never move to any of the major big anti-gun cities.

I hope you don't get stationed at Ft. Hamilton. The BAH is out of this world though.

 

[Prince Yamato]

What about this:

*Store the long guns with the family in upstate NY.
*Store the silencer in PA in a lockbox.
*Leave my Glock 34 and 17+ rounders in Texas w/ relatives for when I visit free America again.
*Live across the river from NYC in NJ, where I can keep all my other handguns and not have to register them because if you move in with handguns, they don't have to be registered (only if you purchase them in NJ).

That would work, correct? I could literally stare at Manhattan from my apartment across the river with a handgun right beside me, correct? I know, CCW is also impossible to get in NJ too, but I think I'll have to make a compromise here somewhere...

 

[toivo]

I must admit that I don't much about CT handgun laws. Parts of CT are very close to NYC, so it's worth looking into for you. Some NY info:

--Any handgun permit, even a premises-only permit, is going to be virtually impossible to get in the five metro boroughs of NYC. And in NYC, even your long guns will have to be registered.

--People who work in NYC but don't live there have to pay NYC income tax, but they don't have to pay NYS income tax if they live in another state.

--Outside NYC, permits are issued by the individual counties, but are valid anywhere in the state (outside of NYC).

--Westchester County (you mentioned Sleepy Hollow) is not too friendly to CCW. All handgun permits are automatically issued as restricted (target and hunting only), and it's pret'near impossible to get the restrictions lifted. You have to prove "need" for a carry permit, and they'll deny you on any whim they can think of. Rockland County, on the other side of the Hudson River, is just as bad -- ironic, since it's where the Kahr Arms main office is located.

--You have to go at least one more county north to get into more gun-friendly territory: Orange County on the west side of the river and Putnam on the east. I'm in Ulster County, which is above Orange--about 1.5 hours from Manhattan. Up until recently, it was relatively easy to get an unrestricted permit (full carry) in Ulster County. All you had to do was include "self-defense" on your application where it asks why you want a permit. In the past few months, though, due to a change of judge, all new permits have been issued as restricted. Whether they can later be amended to unrestricted remains to be seen.

--Long and short is that you'll probably have to be more than 45 minutes from NYC if you want to live in NY and have a carry permit.

EDIT TO ADD: What instrument do you play? If you end up having to justify your need for a carry permit, could you say you routinely travel with an expensive instrument? Carrying large amounts of cash or jewelry is a valid reason. Why not your Stradivarius?

EDIT TO ADD: NJ residents, please chime in, but I'm pretty sure you can forget about getting a carry permit in NJ too.

 

[Tim the student]

I don't know about NJ laws, but not all of NJ lives up to the stereotype.

I escorted the body of a buddy of mine home to NJ (South Amboy - right close to the city) and it changed a lot of misconceptions I had about Jersey. The people were great, and it seemed like an ok little town.

All things considered, I would look at Jersey if I was in your situation.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

*Store the long guns with the family in upstate NY.
*Store the silencer in PA in a lockbox.
*Leave my Glock 34 and 17+ rounders in Texas w/ relatives for when I visit free America again. *Live across the river from NYC in NJ, where I can keep all my other handguns and not have to register them because if you move in with handguns, they don't have to be registered (only if you purchase them in NJ).

That would work, correct

Do that with all of them till you decide if this is a permanent gig. But I have to admit all this train/permit/bus/subway/state line stuff is making me dizzy.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Toivo, if I could afford an instrument like a Stradivarius, I'd be amongst the rich and powerful elite who actually DO get CCW in NYC

 

[Dravur]

You can live in MAnhattan. You just have to make sure you catch the Cash Cab all the time and are really good at Trivia.

 

[GRIZ22]

There's a train that runs from there to NYC?

No train that I know of but regular express bus service from Bethlehem, PA to NYC. Sands opened a new casino there recently so you don't have to go far to gamble. even if you don't like gambling it's interesting to see what they turned the old Bethlehem steel Plant into. I was there back in the 60s when it was still a steel plant and the transformation is astounding.

ps Your AKs and silencer is not welcome in NJ. In PA, AKs no problem. Silencers okay but i don't know what the state requires over ATFE approval (if anything).

 

[KenWP]

Why not just move there and not tell anybody you have guns period. Seems to me that the problem is that people have to brag they have guns and that gets them in trouble. There is probbably thouseands of people in the UK have guns of every type they just don't brag to every Tom, Dick and Harry they have them.

 

[Sam1911]

i couldnt agree with gonhuntin more. NYC, philly, chicago,NJ, or anywhere in CA you could not possibly have enough money ever to make me move to those places EVER.

Hw people can live in such communist places is beyond me.

Just to put some things in perspective regarding the relative levels of freedom: Philly has BETTER gun laws than South Carolina!

There are a lot of people in NYC and NJ (and MD!) who live a lot closer to freedom than they realize.

But...

This may sound strange, especially as it's advice I don't think I'd take myself, any more, but you might consider just putting the guns on hold for a while. If this thing is really the chance of a lifetime, and you can decide that it is worth giving up a certain amount of freedom, and a great deal of personal defensive capacity, to pursue, then maybe you should be considering packing away your firearms and leaving them with trusted family members and just put them out of your mind for the period of time that you'll be devoting to this pursuit. Go get your big experience, make your bones, build your name, decorate your resume, etc., with your eyes on the future and what you'll do with this valuable experience you're paying for out of your freedom and security. Keep your eyes on the opportunities (ELSEWHERE) this will open for you.

Get in, get it done, get OUT! Trust me, I've done the same in my life, and I'm glad to have done so. Now, I probably wouldn't do it again, but opportunity usually comes at a cost.

Oh, and DON'T do this:

Why not just move there and not tell anybody you have guns period. Seems to me that the problem is that people have to brag they have guns and that gets them in trouble. There is probbably thouseands of people in the UK have guns of every type they just don't brag to every Tom, Dick and Harry they have them.

-Sam

 

[Sav .250]

Some time you just have to bite the bullet. This may be one of those times.
One things for sure, I`d think long and hard on this one.

 

[earlthegoat2]

Isnt NY one of those states that is "may issue" for CCW?

And couldnt it be argued that even though they are may issue the truth is that they never issue?

At lease to us commoners.

 

[everallm]

If you live in another state but work in NYC, you are NOT going to get an NY driving licence etc,.

You will however, on your payslip find you are paying NYC city tax, sometimes called the "commuter tax"

You will never get an NYC carry permit, you are not a resident, not wealthy enough, not well connected politically etc etc.

Ditto for NJ CCW permit.

Now the fun part with NYS is that the letter of the law says no ownership of handguns without a permit irrespective of whether you are bringing them in from another state. You have to apply, get approved, record the serial numbers, make and model, provide a fired shell casing THEN AND ONLY THEN bring them in state.

If you DO decide to settle in NYS contact the local police department and request in WRITING a set of parameters of what you can and cannot do. Depending upon the city or county you may also have to show you have passed a safety training course.......

Strangely enough in NJ, whilst you need an FID to purchase firearms and purchase handgun ammunition in state, you don't need one for existing ownership.

If you settle in NJ, you will need to get an FID eventually but that can take 6+ months and needs NJ resident personal references. If you need one, PM me off line and I'll see what I can do to help with that.

 

[Speedo66]

First, good luck on the job.

Westchester county includes Sleepy Hollow, which is on the Hudson River. The train ride from there, Tarrytown station to Grand Central, is 33 minutes on the express. Check the MTA schedule, Hudson Line, for times to other stations further north.

The Harlem line cuts through the middle of Westchester. The New Haven line goes along the LI Sound sound side, the east side, of Westchester into CT. You might want to check commuting times from CT to Grand Central to see if commuting is feasible, CT is easier on guns.

Putnum county is less restrictive than Westchester.

In NYC, if a resident, you can count on getting a premises or target license, carry isn't going to happen. Figure 6 months to process. As said before, unless you are a retired police officer, your permit from other than NYC is invalid there. NYC has their own restrictions on long guns which you need to examine very carefully.

Call the NYC tax department to get the true story on commuter taxes for non-residents. Living outside the city, I did not pay NYC income taxes.

Again, good luck with your employment. NYC has a vast entertainment industry, hope you fit into it.

While you're in NYC, check out the Metropolitan Museum of Art on 5th Ave for some incredible firearms in their Arms & Armor section. I understand Mayor Bloomburg, Mr. Antigun, has donated enough to have the section named for his daughters. Go figure.

 

[eye5600]

I live in Stamford, CT. The train is 45 min for an express, hour for a local into Grand Central. If you work in mid-town, it's not bad. If you were to work on Wall Street, it would add an unpleasant half hour each way. Housing is expensive in the the towns closest to NYC: Greenwich, Stamford, Darien, New Canaan. It starts getting cheaper in Norwalk. There are lots of places to live if you are willing to put in the time on the train - and many do. By the way, parking at trains stations is either expensive or in short supply in most places on the CT end.

You've probably read up on the gun laws. CT is not too bad once you have the pistol permit, and if you are willing to live with AWB restrictions. As to shooting: because it's such a built-up area, southwestern CT is indoor range/handgun territory, though you may be able to find a club with an outdoor range.

I worked in an office on Long Island with a guy who commuted by car from PA near Delaware Water Gap. He must have spent as much time in the car as on the job! Within the last year or so, there was a story in the NY Times about folks who make long commutes into NYC. You want to look into the trains, since the driving is a bitch. For example, you could live in rural PA just west of Trenton, and take NJ transit into Penn Station. Sounds like hell to me, but plenty of folks do that sort of thing.

 

[mgkdrgn]

Prince,

You are walking into a deep deep pot of steaming kimchee, and if you are not very careful you are going to find yourself a felon.

1) No handguns in NYC, at all. Period.

2) No handguns in your possession, in NY STATE, unless you have a proper permit. EACH handgun will be listed on the permit. The permit will list specifically what the permit is good for (range use, transport, CCW, etc) There -is- a residency requirement (time as a resident) =before= you can apply for the permit. The permits are "may issue", there is no guarantee you will even get one. The "issue" is county based.

Bottom line ... you =can not= have your handguns in your possession in NY STATE until you get the proper permits ... if you can. Expect the whole process to take a minimum of 18 months.

3) Resident of CT, live in NY, with a NY license. Not a chance in hell, legally anyway.

Good Luck!

 

[Tinpig]

Good luck, Prince Yamato, and congratulations on the great opportunity.
The NYC-bashing gets silly sometimes. My daughter's been there for four years, living up at 168th St. and going to medical school. She's getting a great education and having a good time while she's there, despite the hard work.

I'm sure you'll work something out.

Tinpig

 

[toivo]

Isnt NY one of those states that is "may issue" for CCW?

And couldnt it be argued that even though they are may issue the truth is that they never issue?

At lease to us commoners.

I think you're mixing up New York State and New York City. NYS is "may issue," but they do issue all the time. They issued to me, and the last time I checked I wasn't rich or a celebrity. A lot depends on what county you live in. Permits are issued by county judges: they have total control over who gets a permit and who doesn't. Obviously, judges in rural counties are a lot more likely to issue than those in suburban/urban counties.

One big problem is that some judges like to place restrictions on permits, like "target and hunting only," which means that unless you're on your way to or from the woods or the range, you get spanked for carrying. What's strange is that NYS law says nothing about restricted permits: it's something the judges dreamed up. So if you get caught carrying outside your restrictions, the judge can yank your permit, but you aren't guilty of a crime. Weird, ain't it?