Protection from Mountain Lions? Don't Even Mention "Gun"

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Hard to believe the advice this "Gear Guy" gives in Outside Magazine Online. Defend yourself with a weapon? Here's his/her great advice: "I’m not sure carrying any sort of a weapon would be helpful, but some kind of short club-like device might prove useful in a pinch." But you should wave your arms and yell at the cat. Oh brother.

http://outside.away.com/outside/gear/gearguy/200710/20071012.html

"October 12, 2007
Should I carry some kind of protection when hiking in mountain lion country?

Q: What is the best protection if a mountain lion is encountered on a hike? They have been spotted in our area, and we love to hike in our local wilderness park.

— Susan
La Crescenta, California

A: You live in California. Half the state is mountain lion habitat. So, no, it’s no big surprise that one has been reported near you. A few years ago my friend Phil insisted he saw a mountain lion face down in a road-kill deer carcass not ten yards off one of our most popular mountain-biking routes in Port Townsend. And that was near a busy street and a number of houses. I wish we had more mountain lions here. The deer have become insufferable.

Mountain lions prefer deer. Lacking that, pets and livestock become targets. A little bit further down the menu, humans. Mountain lion attacks are rare, but hardly unheard of. This past January, north of Eureka, a mountain lion attacked a 70-year-old man hiking with his wife. The wife clubbed the cat in the nose with a stick, surely saving her husband’s life.

So, the first thing to do is avoid hiking in areas were cats are known to prowl. Easier said than done, I know. The next line of defense is to always hike with someone else (see above anecdote). I’m not sure carrying any sort of a weapon would be helpful, but some kind of short club-like device might prove useful in a pinch. Be especially careful at dawn, dusk, and at night—that’s when mountain lions are most active. Pay attention to your surroundings. If you’re at all concerned that you’re in cat country, stop occasionally and look around. Mountain lions are stalking animals; they’ll follow you until they find a time to pounce. Keep children and dogs close to you.

If you do see a cat, don’t try to run. You look all the more tasty by doing so. Face the animal, yell at it, and try to make yourself bigger than you really are by waving your arms or flapping your jacket. If a rock is handy, throw it.

And, if attacked, fight back. Don’t curl into a ball. Throw dirt in its face. Find a rock or stick and hit it. If you are with someone fighting off a lion, do the same.

Whew. Now I’m all fight-or-flight-y. Keep in mind that such attacks are very, very uncommon. There’s probably a much bigger risk of stepping on a rattler. But that’s a topic for another day.

P.S. Gear Guy loves any questions that relate to poisonous reptiles."
 
Oh, I'm sorry. I missed the bit the first time about do throw rocks or sticks at the cat, or throw dirt in it's face. Yeah, right. Why the complete absence of even a discussion on whether a firearm would answer the question? Is the word "gun" verbot at Outside Magazine?
 
My advice would be not to go hiking with this guy. What a maroon. :rolleyes:

Speaking of mountain lions, in the last few months, I've seen on the news where a couple have been spotted in Pennsylvania. I didn't realize they still existed this far east.
 
For those who may not know

Sport hunting of mountain lions has been banned in California, via ballot referendum, for over 30 years. :rolleyes: A recent attempt to rescind the ban failed.
 
Disclaimer: I am not an expert on mountain lions.

But: It seems to me that if actually attacked, a knife would be better than a gun.

You: ?
 
That actually seems like decent logic. I think either one would be tough to use once the attack is in progress, unless you already have it drawn.
Its also possible that this guy is giving advice according to the region of the reader. He knows that the reader, living in the PRK isn't going to be carrying a gun, whether she wants to or not. No use giving advice that the advised can't use.
Personally, I like to go on 4WD hikes, using my feet for nothing but gas brake and clutch. I can carry all the gear I need plus the gear guy himself. He can ride shotgun...
 
I would agree that a knife might be a better tool

for killing a cat that jumped you, unprepared from behind.
Thats why, along with a .357 revolver , I carry a couple pretty good blades
when in lion country.
I think that the boom of a gun would also scare it off you.
afaik the cat would attack from behind and it would sneak up on you, I'm sure it would use its claws and paws to control your hands/arms too.
A pretty fearsome opponent.
I've been told (on here mostly) that a gun is not necessarily the best option for big cats.
I don't care!
I'm gonna carry in lion country regardless.
RE: CA carry, in National Forest in most of CA it is ok to carry a gun in your campsite and I have seen folks hiking while open carrying too. (pacific coast trail)
 
— Susan
La Crescenta, California

gun? what gun, I would suggest splashing your mocha latte in the cat's face, run away, and call for the governator, that oghta do it.:evil:

I suspect you have pretty close to the same chance of being abducted by aliens as being attacked by a mountain lion.

In that case I will be packing a 45 and wearing a tin foil hat while hiking, scarry stuff, and this whole time I was worried about the errant VA mountain lion, and ignored something equally terrifying.:neener:
 
This may be a crazy idea, but wouldn't a device that emits a steady or pulsing ultrasonic tone be pretty unpleasant to a cat? Of course if you had it on all the time it would scare away all the other wildlife you might want to see. But even if it weren't always on hitting the button on something like that would be faster than getting a gun or a knife to the ready. Or are such devices illegal in CA too?
 
I’m not sure carrying any sort of a weapon would be helpful,

Well, I'm sure that it WOULD be helpful... If you issue an asinine statement like that, you shouldn't be qualified to give "expert" advice on what to do if you are attacked by a mountain lion.
 
Valid Question?

I think in this board there is a thread in the "Hunting" section trying to identify a pic os some animal caught by a camera and the thread is trending toward saying its a mtn lion. In CT of all places!

Which means you could almost start to think of them like coyotes - hunters/scavengers that are adapting to the urban landscape where man is found.

Which FURTHER means that Ca's problem is no longer just something that happens to unarmed hikers "out there" - anybody hiking in a state with somewhat decent cover could be at risk (MI, other parts of the midwest, Va, Penn etc and certainly Ga SC FL La and other parts of the South).

Sure - you are more likely to get hit by lightening than attacked by a Mtn Lion. But if I was in a CCW friendly state and reports of 'lion sightings are coming in maybe I'd pick my carry piece a little more judiciously before I go out walking my dog at sundown.

But really, even if jumped from behind, wouldn't a pocket snubby in .38 spl with decent +p ammo be enough at close range? No harder to draw from a pocket than to deploy a knife from pocket / belt carry.
 
Just be Glad....

ya don't hike in BC (Canada). There you are REALLY out of luck and defenseless...period. I seem to be hearing more and more of attacks on hikers around Vancouver Island.
 
"October 12, 2007
Should I carry some kind of protection when hiking in mountain lion country?

Yes, but then again you should take responsibility for your own personal protection in general.

I wish we had more mountain lions here. The deer have become insufferable.
I'd love to throw that one down to the anti-hunters... which would you rather have
A) Mountain Lions
B) Hunters
C) Lots of deer

Mountain lions prefer deer. Lacking that, pets and livestock become targets. A little bit further down the menu, humans.
Actually, the prefer whatever prey is immediately available and then which is easiest to take.

The next line of defense is to always hike with someone else
Someone older and slower??? (Yeah that joke never gets old)


I’m not sure carrying any sort of a weapon would be helpful
As opposed to taking on a big cat barehanded???

Be especially careful at dawn, dusk, and at night—that’s when mountain lions are most active. Pay attention to your surroundings. If you’re at all concerned that you’re in cat country, stop occasionally and look around. Mountain lions are stalking animals; they’ll follow you until they find a time to pounce. Keep children and dogs close to you.

If you do see a cat, don’t try to run. You look all the more tasty by doing so. Face the animal, yell at it, and try to make yourself bigger than you really are by waving your arms or flapping your jacket. If a rock is handy, throw it.

And, if attacked, fight back. Don’t curl into a ball. Throw dirt in its face. Find a rock or stick and hit it. If you are with someone fighting off a lion, do the same.

At least that part is generally useful advice. Course it's a little tough to "find" a weapon after you've been attacked. I should think he'd have recommended that the hikers (at minimum) use a damned walking staff (a nice wood one, not those little aluminum "ski poles"). I almost never go into the woods without a nice "spiral carved" hiking staff very similar to these. 5ft of white oak will "put paid" to 90% of anything you'd typically run into and helps keep you from slipping or falling on rough trail.
 
We killed a mountain lion (we actually had a license for one) with a 22. Not a small one either. We were fishing (not hunting that day) and saw one about 100 yards away. We rummaged through the back of the truck and found an old 22 lever action with a slightly bent barrel. The first and only shot hit the neck! It ran a few yards and fell over dead.

So I'm pretty sure that even 22's work on these things. It's now mounted in our cabin.
 
Yes there are mountain lions in PA a few years ago my friends and I spotted one in the woods less the a mile from town but it took off as soon as it noticed us, I guess there not quite as aggressive out this way.
 
Find a rock or stick and hit it.

Wouldn't it be easier to hit it with a bullet?


This past January, north of Eureka, a mountain lion attacked a 70-year-old man hiking with his wife. The wife clubbed the cat in the nose with a stick, surely saving her husband’s life.

I heard she stabbed it in the eyes with a ball point pen.
 
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