dhoomonyou
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DONT FORGET.
carry a bottle of ketchup & mustard to offer the CAT, so you are all the more tasty.
carry a bottle of ketchup & mustard to offer the CAT, so you are all the more tasty.
Protection from Mountain Lions? Don't Even Mention "Gun"
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arthurcw
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Robert.
I think you are on the right track but fail to complete the logical journey.
Being that the cats are more important than humans. Not only is it the duty of every citizen to be eaten; it is the state’s responsibility to select those humans that are least useful to society and leave them out for the lions to eat. This serves the greater good by allowing the state to protect and project the society that it sees fit to cultivate.
Also, it is well know that appeasement works. So allowing these beautiful animals to have their fill of less desirable people (constitutionalists, individualists, religious, conservatives, et al…) would naturally make them less likely to attack useful humans who only want to commune with nature.
Once an aggressor is shown that a potential target 1) means them no harm and 2) is incapable of and unwilling to defend itself; that aggressor will ALWAYS leave the potential target unharmed. It is the first rule of nature widely accepted by intellectuals, politicians, and diplomats. Once these cats know that humans pose no threat, they will ONLY eat the humans left for them and not the humans outside the bounds of the “agreement” reached between the state and the lions.
We will have “Peace in our time” (if I may be so bold) with nature and not have to worry about self defense again.
Currently, this approach is being followed with criminals in many locations with VERY ENCOURAGING results. Once one sees it is the duty of the right thinking citizen to place his or her life at the disposal of the state, peace becomes a foregone conclusion.
I think you are on the right track but fail to complete the logical journey.
Being that the cats are more important than humans. Not only is it the duty of every citizen to be eaten; it is the state’s responsibility to select those humans that are least useful to society and leave them out for the lions to eat. This serves the greater good by allowing the state to protect and project the society that it sees fit to cultivate.
Also, it is well know that appeasement works. So allowing these beautiful animals to have their fill of less desirable people (constitutionalists, individualists, religious, conservatives, et al…) would naturally make them less likely to attack useful humans who only want to commune with nature.
Once an aggressor is shown that a potential target 1) means them no harm and 2) is incapable of and unwilling to defend itself; that aggressor will ALWAYS leave the potential target unharmed. It is the first rule of nature widely accepted by intellectuals, politicians, and diplomats. Once these cats know that humans pose no threat, they will ONLY eat the humans left for them and not the humans outside the bounds of the “agreement” reached between the state and the lions.
We will have “Peace in our time” (if I may be so bold) with nature and not have to worry about self defense again.
Currently, this approach is being followed with criminals in many locations with VERY ENCOURAGING results. Once one sees it is the duty of the right thinking citizen to place his or her life at the disposal of the state, peace becomes a foregone conclusion.
ZeSpectre
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Forgot to add my favorite sign (I'm posting it whenever these Cougar threads come up)
romma
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Your lucky the round didn't circle around and shoot you instead.
The Annoyed Man
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To me, it's not about lessening or building up the value of animals. Big cats are beautiful creatures, and it is a definite thrill to spot one in the wild. That being said, I would rather it not eat me. If that means having to kill it to stop it from trying, then so be it. Unlike human predators, who are mean sunsabitches and know perfectly well that what they do is wrong, a big cat is just being a big cat, doing its big cat thing. That makes it sad if one has to kill one... Sad, but necessary.
Robert Hairless, if you could just figure out a way to make cats concentrate on California politicians, they would have an almost indefinite supply of food, and it would give the state the necessary break it needs to get its mind right again.
Robert Hairless, if you could just figure out a way to make cats concentrate on California politicians, they would have an almost indefinite supply of food, and it would give the state the necessary break it needs to get its mind right again.
In Eastern Oregon the Cougar/ML populations are exploding.
Here is a story of a guy that was about ready to be pounced on by one.
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=170648
Also a couple locals were out hunting deer this last week and one of the guys saw a ML stalking his friend. He ended up shooting it 8 yds behind his partner without his partner ever even knowing it was there from around 100 yards away.
Here is a story of a guy that was about ready to be pounced on by one.
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=170648
Also a couple locals were out hunting deer this last week and one of the guys saw a ML stalking his friend. He ended up shooting it 8 yds behind his partner without his partner ever even knowing it was there from around 100 yards away.
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Humor aside, people get exactly the government they deserve. It was Californians who voted in Gov. Schwarzenneger and other office holders. That's who they wanted, that's who they got, and that's who they deserve.
SoonerSP101
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Would a Remington 125 grain Golden Saber fired from a 2.25" Ruger SP101 be enough taking into account being scared and maybe a gut shot?
SoonerSP101
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I was deer hunting on the Red River between Oklahoma and Texas two years ago during muzzleloader season.
I sat in my tree stand until thirty minutes after official sunset. I then climbed down and proceeded to walk the mile or two back to camp. During that walk, after dusk and close to twilight, nature called.
I leaned my muzzleloader against a tree just out of reach. I was facing south. I dropped my pants and assumed the position to defecate. While taking care of my business, I heard the most horrible sound I’ve ever heard. It was a doe bleat of sheer, unadulterated terror.
The sound was heading right towards me. In the twinkling of an eye my mind raced through all scenarios that would cause this doe to respond as such. I correctly concluded that she got surprised and was being chased by a predator.
I raised ever so slightly, conscious of not defecating on my clothes, looking in the vicinity of the noise and reached for my rifle. As my head got above the brush level, the doe saw me and immediately turned right (east) and kept going like a bullet.
The doe was about twenty yards away from me when she spotted me and turned. The last rays of the day were shining through the trees but I saw what had this doe so fearful.
I would estimate the mountain lion at 200 pounds. The cat hesitated for a second. I stood up no longer caring about my clothes or sensitive sanitary situation. All I thought was I’ve got one shot and no time to reload. If I miss then I’ve got a very expensive club in my hands. I decided not to shoot unless the cat came at me and got to a distance that there was no way I could miss.
The cat decided to follow the doe. Whew, I quickly puckered up and got my pants up and got out of there. I kept watching over my shoulder the whole time.
The next morning I went back and saw the prints of the cat. I’m 5’ 11” and 190 pounds and have an average hand size for a male of those proportions I suppose. Stretching the fingers of my hand out and laying it into the print the cat paw was just as big.
Next to the pack of feral dogs that treed me years earlier while dove hunting at a WMA, This was the main reason for me to acquire my concealed carry license. I can legally carry during bow and muzzleloader seasons. I bought a 2.25" Ruger SP101 and bought some Remington 125 grain Golden Sabers for self defense. Do you think they will be sufficient for mountain lion?
I sat in my tree stand until thirty minutes after official sunset. I then climbed down and proceeded to walk the mile or two back to camp. During that walk, after dusk and close to twilight, nature called.
I leaned my muzzleloader against a tree just out of reach. I was facing south. I dropped my pants and assumed the position to defecate. While taking care of my business, I heard the most horrible sound I’ve ever heard. It was a doe bleat of sheer, unadulterated terror.
The sound was heading right towards me. In the twinkling of an eye my mind raced through all scenarios that would cause this doe to respond as such. I correctly concluded that she got surprised and was being chased by a predator.
I raised ever so slightly, conscious of not defecating on my clothes, looking in the vicinity of the noise and reached for my rifle. As my head got above the brush level, the doe saw me and immediately turned right (east) and kept going like a bullet.
The doe was about twenty yards away from me when she spotted me and turned. The last rays of the day were shining through the trees but I saw what had this doe so fearful.
I would estimate the mountain lion at 200 pounds. The cat hesitated for a second. I stood up no longer caring about my clothes or sensitive sanitary situation. All I thought was I’ve got one shot and no time to reload. If I miss then I’ve got a very expensive club in my hands. I decided not to shoot unless the cat came at me and got to a distance that there was no way I could miss.
The cat decided to follow the doe. Whew, I quickly puckered up and got my pants up and got out of there. I kept watching over my shoulder the whole time.
The next morning I went back and saw the prints of the cat. I’m 5’ 11” and 190 pounds and have an average hand size for a male of those proportions I suppose. Stretching the fingers of my hand out and laying it into the print the cat paw was just as big.
Next to the pack of feral dogs that treed me years earlier while dove hunting at a WMA, This was the main reason for me to acquire my concealed carry license. I can legally carry during bow and muzzleloader seasons. I bought a 2.25" Ruger SP101 and bought some Remington 125 grain Golden Sabers for self defense. Do you think they will be sufficient for mountain lion?
gunsmith
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is that a .38 or .357 sooner?
I'm sure a .38 would work but I always use .357 in my sp101
so...yup...against cougar,man or even black bear I'm fairly confident
the lil ruger will do fine.....
Now back to the sub topic!
I understand CA recently made it illegal for a mountain lion to attack you.
Doesn't it make you feel better?
I'm sure a .38 would work but I always use .357 in my sp101
so...yup...against cougar,man or even black bear I'm fairly confident
the lil ruger will do fine.....
Now back to the sub topic!
I understand CA recently made it illegal for a mountain lion to attack you.
Doesn't it make you feel better?
SoonerSP101
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gunsmith - it's a .357
Since the cat's gonna attack from behind the best thing would be to wear a big pack that covers up your back and head. For the ultra-light enthusiasts they could strap on an aluminum grate. If it didn't save 'em that cat could at least grill them. Of course you could just use a pitch fork as a walking staff and carry it resting on your shoulder ,works well on two-legged varmints as well.
There are many outdoor enthusiasts who have drank the "no weapons" cool aid and liked it.
Not too long ago someone expressed dismay when they discovered that I relied on forearms as well as noise makers and bear spray for bear defense. "But, you could hurt the bear!" I kid you not. He left convinced I was just out to shoot something, refusing to acknowledge that firearms have their place in bear defense.
Not too long ago someone expressed dismay when they discovered that I relied on forearms as well as noise makers and bear spray for bear defense. "But, you could hurt the bear!" I kid you not. He left convinced I was just out to shoot something, refusing to acknowledge that firearms have their place in bear defense.
The Annoyed Man
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No argument out of me. I left California in April of 2006 and didn't look back. All the same, I'll bet politicians taste pretty good, particularly when roasted on a spit over an open fire. Tastes kinda like pork.Robert Hairless said:
alucard0822
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You must have awful big forearms, planning on going Davy Crockett on that bear? I hear they are a sucker for a running clothesline to the throat followed up with the people's elbow.
Elm Creek Smith
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I think a boar spear carried over the shoulder would be better than a pitchfork. In keeping with the time period, a gorget with a decent helm with cheek protectors and nose bar would help avoid the "eat your face" move.
The State of Oklahoma says there aren't any mountain lions in the eastern part of the state, but people I trust have seen them. Ditto for Arkansas.
I carry in the woods and remain vigilant. I'm considering some of those hearing enhancers that damp sharp, loud noises like gunshots.
ECS
The State of Oklahoma says there aren't any mountain lions in the eastern part of the state, but people I trust have seen them. Ditto for Arkansas.
I carry in the woods and remain vigilant. I'm considering some of those hearing enhancers that damp sharp, loud noises like gunshots.
ECS
MachIVshooter
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One such individual was relatively high profile and payed the ultimate price for his ignorance. Most of us would call him "stupid", but to some he was known as "the grizzly man". (Ironically, he was actually eaten by a Kodiak brown).
These folks seem to believe that just because they are at peace with nature or "one with the earth" (or whatever they call it), that nature will not harm them. Sort of like the old tale of the woman and the snake.................
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Yep, staying away from California myself. Afraid I`d be locked up for the "law of the day" over there. Never know what`s next in the big CA. So I say let`m wave there arms and yell and maybe someone will get it on video and we can watch it on the next "When animals attack"
Elm Creek Remember we gotta be PC,can't frighten the sheeple with that deadly spear. Besides the multiple tines give you a better chance of snagging that razor-toed bugger.
In another forum I suggested a giant size glue trap worn like a backpack,with quick release straps .When the cat leaps on your back and gets gummed up; you "quick-release" the trapped cat off the side of the mountain. There's an untapped market out there for this sort of thing...
TWBryan
In another forum I suggested a giant size glue trap worn like a backpack,with quick release straps .When the cat leaps on your back and gets gummed up; you "quick-release" the trapped cat off the side of the mountain. There's an untapped market out there for this sort of thing...
TWBryan
SoonerSP101
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Before this year...even though their own Web site contrdicts it...They'll say there are no cougar...you saw a yellow lab.
http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/mlion.htm
For the first time this year the OK Wildlife Department has open up mountain lion.
http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/regs/huntregs8.htm
MOUNTAIN LION
License Requirements
Residents & Nonresidents: A hunting license (see page 5) and a fishing & hunting legacy permit or proof of exemption.
Dates & Open Areas
Mountain lions can be taken year-round when committing or about to commit depredation or when deemed a nuisance, safety or health hazard.
You must immediately call a game warden or other Department employee if you kill a mountain lion. The carcass (including hide) will be examined by a Department employee within 24 hours for biological data collection, which may include the removal of a tooth.
This is VERY Subjective in my opinion.
deltacharlie
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I am no expert either (on anything) however, let's assume a scenario where you are face to face with a mountain lion.230RN said:
But first of all; never hike, climb, dive or camp alone. Common sense.
A gun (BANG!) will scare off or kill (BANG! splat!) the cat at a distance, no contact necessary.
A knife, the cat with it's four paws of claws and fangs, has to be on you in order to use it effectively on the cat. You know, while it is biting & clawing, giving you those nice gangrenous wounds we all like so much.
Best idea; carry both a gun AND a good knife (or two) when in the bush.
Be safe!
SoonerSP101
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I love Oklahoma...
I just can't get the mentality that would be offended by a mountain lion killing a deer ("oh, the poor deer--we must protect the deer from the evil mountain lions"), but is offended by a human killing a mountain lion in self defense ("oh, the poor cute kitty--we must protect the mountain lions from the evil gunnies"). I'm surprised the "expert's" advice didn't end with "And sing Kum-ba-yah as the mountain lion eats you, since you will be in perpetual harmony with nature from now on."
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