Racist Gunshops

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I cringe whenever I hear the phrase "Jewed down." Lots of people who have said it to me are not overly racist but there must be something in their background. Sorry, but that's not a phrase that ready to made neutral by popular use. I don't think it will be considered neutral until Jews use it, and I can assure you they don't.
 
People are different. Sorry we are.

Exactly!

In my opinion, it's all tribal.

That could be because my people are tribal, but the word fits.

What follows isn't directed at anyone here. Come back to that sentence, and read it again if you forget it.

In my opinion, man invented war within thirty seconds of discovering that there was more than one tribe, but I digress.

Tribes are drawn along all kinds of lines.

Lines of race, religion, language, color, height, and geographical location, to name a few obvious ones.

There are tribes that burn their women to death, right now, in 2003. There are tribes that won't admit you unless you've comitted a felony, in the presence of a tribal member. There are tribes that will welcome anyone, at any hour, and there are tribes who say they welcome anyone, but some money will make you ever-so-slightly more welcome. There are tribes who chant, drum, sing, dance, and there are tribes who sit silently for a lot longer than I can.

The problem is that there is no longer room for space between the tribes, and that some tribes are bigger and stronger than other tribes. The tribes must live together.

There are many, many tribes that don't like each other, some for good reason, some for recent reasons, and some for reasons that have been lost to history.

The tribes in East L.A., as far as I can tell, don't like anyone.

There are some tribes (wife beaters come readily to mind) that if you are a member, I already don't like you, and never will. There are other tribes (cops, most of them, anyway, are the first examples I can think of) that if you belong, we're probably going to get along.

I don't believe it's possible for you to suddenly, one day, decide that you've been wrong all your life, and the enemy tribe really isn't the enemy, after all. Once you've tasted the poison, and especially once you've seen the blood of your tribal enemy, you will never be the same, and there is no going back.

In the United States, in 2003, what those of us who belong to some of the smaller tribes will have, what we need to live closely with other tribes, what we DEMAND, is that you ACT as if we are not the enemy.

Control yourself. Live in your poison, if you must, but keep it out of your voice.

Choose your words as if we were members of your tribe.

Teach it to your children, if you insist, and poison them, also, but in the same lesson teach them that if they reveal their twisted truth to us, there will no longer be peace between the tribes. Teach them what it will cost all of us, and show them the real price. Be ready for the day that they discover their own truth, and be prepared for their rejection.

Act as if we are not the enemy, in all things, because everything depends on it.

If not respect, then manners.

As long as you act as if we are not enemies, as long as your act is convincing and complete, it will be possible for our tribes to live in peace together. I am aware that I can't cure you, and I probably wouldn't if I could. You certainly can't cure me.

If you can choke your poison down and swallow it, I can choke mine down, if you can make your manners sound genuine, I can do the same with mine.

The only alternative is war between the tribes.
 
Nicely put, Jammer Six.

On an unrelated note, and going back a bit:
Oh. Well. I guess they buy into the Bering Strait migration theory...
Considering the body of genetic and archaeological evidence for the "out of Africa" theory, am I missing something? The admittedly smallish body of scientific research into the origins of the human species on the American continent that I've read, seems to support population of this continent via the Bering bridge, and/or the South Pacific Islands. Are you privy to some science that I've overlooked?

Not particularly relevant to the discussion of racism, I'm just looking for some enlightenment here.
 
Not terribly uncommon in this area.

On the other hand, I've never seen a minority treated impolitely in any of the shops where I've heard the owner/operator make racist comments.
 
Being white this isn't something I have to deal with. However, I dated a black girl for a long time and one day she went with me to a gunshow. Several people gave us odd looks and some wouldn't wait on us. But nobody had the guts to open there mouth. So no harm done they didn't get our money.


Money talks bull???? walks...

We never had any problems in shops tho.

My thought is I don't care if you like me or not just don't bother me and we'll get along fine...
 
You certainly can't claim that because there isn't a center in WNBA now that could play center in the NBA that one either doesn't or will never exist.
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The only way to either prove or disprove your claim (and my claims) would be to lift all restrictions, and judge players on one and only one criteria- ability.

Yup, you're absolutely right. Cannot be 100% until it happens. And, IMO, you're right on it will probably never happen outside of an exhibition. Basing my judgement on individual physical abilities and not direct physical contact (basketball) and direct non-physical contact man vs woman exhibitions.
 
I'm real sure I'll make no friends with this one..

This little "I'm more diverse than you" love fest is really a hoot. While middle class America is trying to out "un-racist" the next person, you should see what's going on over at the BET website. The friendly folks over there hate you, and are very open and succinct about it. Go over to www.bet.com and follow the link on the right to their message board. WOW! What an eye opener.
 
kerdspry does have a point. It is politically correct to be a racist if you are from a (real or perceived) minority or "oppressed" class. Black racists get a pass on a regular basis, and the Hispanic version of the Klan that Bustamante is part of is merely called a "cultural heritage group" by the media.

Racism is racism, unless you are a historical victim.
 
Are you comparing the word Jew with those other two words?

I put "Jewed down" squarely in the same category as "****** necklace," "gypped," and "paddy wagon." It's thoughtless, bigoted drivel.

Get that? THOUGHTLESS. Anyone who takes the time and effort to consider the expression will decide that it sure might be offensive to some people. And isn't that a good enough reason to knock it the hell off?

I wish folks wouldn't try to excuse theirs and others' behavior by citing an example where a minority used a disparaging term on himself. Just because I hear one black person say to another, "Hey, nigga!" doesn't mean the term is now acceptable.

This isn't P.C. This is having a minimal human respect for the people around you. It's not hard. It doesn't infringe on your "rights" to CHOOSE to not be offensive.

Did I call the Anti-Defamation League because this thoughtless gun shop owner used an offensive term? No. I politely expressed my disapproval and then voted with my feet.

Hopefully the lesson will sink in. This guy's shop is in a tiny `burb adjacent to the suburb with the largest concentration of Jews in the Minneapolis metro. And I don't imagine he has that much margin to spare.
 
"Jewing" someone falls in the same category as "n__ rigging" to me. It's offensive to those who think about it, but so much a part of the vocabulary around here that some who aren't actually racist use it without thinking. Some of us are trying to change that.
 
"gypped," and "paddy wagon." It's thoughtless, bigoted drivel.

Paddy Wagon is pretty common usage and not racist in my book, and while I don't say "gypped" often, I never really perceived anything particularly racist about it and it took me a while to get the etymology behind it. "Jewed" seems more offensive, but I can see folks using it out of ignorance rather than malice.

You already said yourself that you look Jewish, so bearing in mind that that didn't set off the guy at the gunshop, I think it's safe to conclude that he isn't an inveterate Aryan card-carrying Nazi, just thoughtless and ignorant. He did make an attempt at an apology and you should've said that you didn't appreciate what he said but did accept his apology as sincere. This is a lot different than him giving approbation to the idea of killing religious groups and minorities he didn't like.
 
hey kerdspry-

So there are black jackasses out there, just as there are jackasses of every other ethnicity and/or religion. Does that mean that you should be a jackass as well, or do you want to set a higher standard for yourself?

The other night I was rereading Admiral Stockdale's article on Epictetus, the Roman philosopher who got him through 7 years in the Hanoi Hilton. Consider this:

"Some things are in our control and others not. Things in our control are opinion, pursuit, desire, aversion, and, in a word, whatever are our own actions. Things not in our control are body, property, reputation, command, and, in one word, whatever are not our own actions.

The things in our control are by nature free, unrestrained, unhindered; but those not in our control are weak, slavish, restrained, belonging to others. Remember, then, that if you suppose that things which are slavish by nature are also free, and that what belongs to others is your own, then you will be hindered. You will lament, you will be disturbed, and you will find fault both with gods and men. But if you suppose that only to be your own which is your own, and what belongs to others such as it really is, then no one will ever compel you or restrain you. Further, you will find fault with no one or accuse no one. You will do nothing against your will. No one will hurt you, you will have no enemies, and you not be harmed. "
 
He did make an attempt at an apology and you should've said that you didn't appreciate what he said but did accept his apology as sincere.

"I'm sorry, Honey, I won't hit you again. Really, I promise."

Some things can't be forgiven, no matter how sincere the apology. Furthermore, whether or not the apology is accepted probably hinges more on whether he's hit her before, and how good the chances are he'll hit her again tomorrow night.

I wouldn't believe an apology that was generated by an obviously confirmed racist or anti-semite simply because he was caught.

I'm not saying that an ignorant, thoughtless comment can't be forgiven, I'm saying that it's up to MPayne to decide how badly he was "hit", and how good the chances were that he'd be "hit" again, should he decide to accept the apology offered and stick around that gun shop.
 
p35,
This isn't about setting standards, or taking any side in the dialog. My only point was to highlight just how absurd it is to watch middle class America tripping over itself in apology, low self-esteem, and guilty feelings. While those that are today "politically correct" are free to act in any way desired, without the guilt, etc..

Far and away, the majority of colloquialisms are not racist or intended to insult. As a culture we've become so overly sensitized to the "major/ minorities" that every word is measured, and every miss-step viewed as a direct effort to roll back the clock 200 years. And you better not get between the "bandwagon" and someone with a guilty conscience, you'll either get run over, or worse yet labeled a racist……
 
Mr. Hook,

After reading several of the threads you've started, I get the feeling you have an "agenda" and that you're trolling.

But no matter, this is America and no matter how much y'all cram politial correctness down the throats of the masses....they have the right to their opinions. Period! You have the right not to do business with them.

And Rayjay, would you have been as upset if the gentleman had given your child a Confederate, Iraqi, or Mexican flag?

:rolleyes:
 
Far and away, the majority of colloquialisms are not racist or intended to insult.

Yup, that's exactly what I was writing about in my first response in this thread- racist who honestly believe that they're not.
 
Well, getting back to the gun store racist talking, so what?....if you don't like it just leave........they have a right to their opinion also.........If I don't like it, I will just leave and don't come back, and if it doesn't bother me, I will go back...........big deal
 
I put "Jewed down" squarely in the same category as "****** necklace," "gypped," and "paddy wagon." It's thoughtless, bigoted drivel.

This is just nonsense and you really need to get rid of that chip on your shoulder.....These phrases don't even compare to the others you describe. I'm half American Indian, so don't whip that racist label on me either....I am an equal opportunity racist, if I am one anyway. Because I don't care what color, creed, or sex you are.....if you're blocking the fastlane and holding up traffic, I don't like you!!

Oh and not that it matters, but I happen to be a Cleveland Indians and Atalanta Braves fan as well.....so does that make me a racist towards my own race? Get over it!!!
 
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