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What if a gun store owner is red flagged? Hate to think of how that would go down.Probably true in general but I've seen an elderly gentleman's 30+ firearm collection seized due to a brief outburst.
What if a gun store owner is red flagged? Hate to think of how that would go down.Probably true in general but I've seen an elderly gentleman's 30+ firearm collection seized due to a brief outburst.
And also seems to passively reinforce the idea that guns in and of themselves are the problem.Not to state the obvious but, I’d rather have a felony than a casket.
However the point isn’t what one can and can’t do, it’s how pointless the law is. If someone wants a guns, in our current state of affairs they can get one. That was my, likely poorly communicated, point.
People that legitimately need to be red flagged can just go get another gun, it may take a couple days but removing the tool and leaving the evil guy will not work… he’ll just find another tool.
Exactly. Humans need to be held accountable for their actions. Putting the weapons in jail just leaves the danger to find another weapon. Soon we are banning butter knives because we refuse to punish humans for their bad behavior.Like "it's OK folks, the family and community at large can rest easy tonight, we just took a supposedly dangerous unstable person who is apparently liable to become unhinged at some point in the immediate future and agitated him by invading his home and seizing his property, but we got the guns so nothing to fear!!!!"
Huh?Due Process has long been recognized as one acceptable way to provide Due Process.
I’m sorry. I meant to say “post-deprivation Due Process” has been recognized.Huh?
I know people got all up in arms about Due Process when President Trump said something to the effect of "take the guns now, Due Process later." That said, and whether it's right, wrong, or indifferent, post-deprivation Due Process has long been recognized as one acceptable way to provide Due Process.
It's happened. Sex offenses and DV. They lost their businesses. Typically this stuff won't make the national news unless... they happen to be reality TV stars. Look what happened to Richard Wyatt and Will Hayden... Don't know if any ERPOs were applied in those cases, but that was some pretty high-profile stuff. But thus far, no barricaded gunshop owners holding off SWAT because a vindicative ex-wife makes an allegation against them...What if a gun store owner is red flagged? Hate to think of how that would go down.
I was just thinking, somewhat it may depend on the shop. My second favorite GS (soon to be favorite after my favorite moves up north in Oct) serves a lot of local police, so I would think they have somewhat of a better position if someone red flags the owner.It's happened. Sex offenses and DV. They lost their businesses. Typically this stuff won't make the national news unless... they happen to be reality TV stars. Look what happened to Richard Wyatt and Will Hayden... Don't know if any ERPOs were applied in those cases, but that was some pretty high-profile stuff. But thus far, no barricaded gunshop owners holding off SWAT because a vindicative ex-wife makes an allegation against them...
The family members that typically initiate a "red flag" procedure presumably know what guns the person has. So this is not as difficult as it seems.
In January, 2019 Illinois The Firearms Restraining Order Act, or a Red Flag law took effect. The Highland Park shooter had runs ins with law enforcement and was known to be a threat. If existing laws are not enforced why does anyone think passing more laws will solve problems?
https://www.uslawshield.com/update-red-flag-laws-il/
Highland Park mass shooting suspect had two prior incidents, police said
Robert Crimo, the suspect in the Highland Park Fourth of July parade shooting that killed seven and wounded dozens, was involved in two incidents prior to the massacre, police said Tuesday.
In April 2019, an individual called police a week after learning of Crimo attempting suicide, authorities said. Police said the matter was handled by mental health professionals with no law enforcement.
In September 2019, a family member reported Crimo had a collection of knives and “was going to kill everyone,” authorities said. Police responded to the incident and removed the weapons from Crimo’s possession, police said. Highland Park police notified State Police of the incident but no further actions were taken.
I wonder then what the procedure would be, because there's no way I'd voluntarily open it.
Angle grinders will be involved
Doubt they'd bother with a locksmith. Locksmiths are called when there is concern for excessive collateral damage.I don't think police carry those, but I wonder of they'd call a locksmith to drill the safe.
No one but me knows what is in my safe, and I wonder if they come knocking because someone reported me what would happen if I simply lock the safe. I wonder then what the procedure would be, because there's no way I'd voluntarily open it.
If there is a warrant, the officers are going to make entry into the safe.
I'm also low-key as to what I have. But friends and family? Why bother to have a collection if you can't brag to someone about what you've spent so much effort assembling?Not a single family member or friend has the slightest remote idea of what I have. I'm betting that's the same for many THR members. Don't ask, don't tell, don't let them be seen all in one place at one time. Nobody's darned business. They can inventory everything after I'm dead. I have an inventory myself, but it's not public either.
1) Anti gunners very easily "feel" threatened or at imminent risk.Alright I found this, it seems they will only confiscate after a hearing and court order.
- The person poses an imminent risk of causing a self-inflicted injury or a personal injury to another person by possessing, controlling, purchasing or otherwise acquiring any firearm; and
- The person engaged in high-risk behavior; and
- Less restrictive options have been exhausted or are not effective.