Risk & Reward Rimfire Match:

[Maverick223]

Welcome to the Rimfire Match for the month of September! This match is open to any and every 22 caliber (as well as 17 and 20 caliber) rimfire rifle including the perennial favorite .22LR, as well as the .22Short, .22Long, .22 Mag., .17HM2, .17HMR, and 5mm Rem RF Mag (as well as any oddball rimfires that you might have). This match is meant to be challenging and educational, but most of all FUN. Hopefully it will get you out to the range and shooting your rifle. If you have one handy, make sure an bring a friend too.


There are Two Optics Divisions:
->Iron sights and non-magnified optics and red dots. Shot at 50yds.
->Scopes and other magnified sighting devices. Shot at 100yds.

*Note that the range is increased to 50/100yds. in this match. One last "long-range" match before it gets too cold to go to the range.

There are Two Rifle Classes:
->Unlimited/Target Rifles (highly modified rifles, rests, target sights, high magnification optics- over 10x [in the appropriate division] may be used)
->Sporting Rifles (Includes All Non-Target Class Autoloaders, Bolt Actions, Single Shots, Pumps, & Lever Rifles)

Both classes can be shot from any position. Rests/Sandbags/bipods are permitted in the Target Class only. Shooting stick(s) are now permitted for both classes (either crossed or walking stick style). Use of a sling is encouraged.


50 Yd. (Irons) Target: See attachment below. This target was graciously donated by fellow member and rimfire match rifleman, Gregaw. Scale to 100% on standard 8.5x11in. paper (for best results print from Windows Photo Viewer with "fit picture to frame" deselected). The objective is to fire 5 shots at the white triangle as high on the target as possible without breaking the edge of the triangle. You only need to break the line to earn the indicated point value, but you only need to break the edge of the triangle to loose all the points for that shot (1-20; indicated on left edge of target), for a maximum score of 100pts! Choose from either the full-color target or greyscale copy.

100 Yd. (Optics) Target: Same as above.

If you enjoyed this match and want a bit more challenge, or just compare your rimfires to their big brothers, check out the concurrent Centerfire Match using the same target at the same distance.


When you are satisfied you've done your best post/attach (or shoot me a PM) a photo or scan of your target with as much of the following information as possible: Forum name (or name you want posted in the results), Rifle, make, model, vintage (if known), Sights/Optics (with magnification if applicable), Ammo, Position, Distance, Conditions (in/outdoors, wind, temperature...). Multiple submissions are allowed (in same or different division/class with same or different rifles).

Self-scoring is encouraged and appreciated. All submissions due before September 31st.

 

[Maverick223]

Leaderboard Mk. I:

 

[prid93]

Now that is interesting...gonna be a fun one for sure.

 

[Tim the student]

Man, this will be a good one. I'll be taking a trip to the copy store I think for this one. I can see myself going through a bunch of targets.

 

[Maverick223]

I think so too, Gregaw did a good job with the design and execution of the target IMO.

 

[FullEffect1911]

Nice, I look forward to it! Good luck all.

 

[Tim the student]

^^ I'll do it now.

 

[Maverick223]

I already did, but Art must be on vacation. He's typically really good about getting it done pretty quick (occasionally before I even ask).

 

[Orlando]

Not sure I understand the rules, I shot this one today but may be disqualified as I broke the line underneath?? There is just a sliver of a white line showing on the right hand side,it didnt break into the red.
I had another target with 4 shots in the 19 and one in the 20 would that one been legal?
Unlimited Target/scope
Kimber 82
50 yds
Front rest rear bag
Wolf MT

 

[Orlando]

Ha, guess I should have read the directions alittle closer
OK,Back to the range for another try

 

[Maverick223]

Not sure I understand the rules, I shot this one today but may be disqualified as I broke the line underneath?? There is just a sliver of a white line showing on the right hand side,it didnt break into the red.
I had another target with 4 shots in the 19 and one in the 20 would that one been legal?

You're good to go on the dividing lines, and even if you break the red triangle you aren't completely DQ'd, you only loose the points for that shot. As far as the shots lying in 20 & 19 point values, your other target would be acceptable as well, then again...

Hate to say it but the optics division is supposed to be 100 yards this month.

You got it, 50 for irons and non-magnified optics, 100yds for magnified sights. Sorry, Orlando.

BTW I think the only shots that don't count are the ones that hit outside the target area - in the red on your target.

That's it.

 

[Caddisflied]

even if you break the red triangle you aren't completely DQ'd, you only loose the points for that shot

Glad I read this.
I was thinking that if you hit the red you lost all your points.
Now that I understand the rules, if it would only stop raining.
Very nice group! Those lines are less that 7/16" apart on the target I printed off.

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

I think this one's going to favor the .17's. That top point of the triangle is almost too small to put 5 .22's into even if they are one ragged hole. Now if I can only get that doggone .17HMR ammo (and my 93R17 Savage) to quit throwing 4 and a flier.

Targets printed, picked up a new .22 (squirrel gun, not target rifle) yesterday, a left handed Savage Mark IIG, wood stock, accu-trigger, standard - not heavy- barrel with open sights at Gander Mountain for a substantial discount. Display model, off the rack, stock had lots of little dings in it and the bolt had quite a bit of surface rust on it. Tag price was $229 and after pointing out the defects, I offered them $185 (about their cost) and since it was the only one like it they had, much to my surprise, they took it. Little Kroil and steel wool on the rust and it looks like new. Stock will get worse dings in the field anyway so that ain't a problem. It's drilled & tapped for standard Weaver scope bases, but no optics on it yet.

Indoor range session scheduled this morning to see how it shoots. Will try the triangle target with irons to see if I can get lucky. It's for darn sure I can't see well at 50 yards in dim light. The .17HMR will have to wait as I'm changing scopes on it. Putting a bipod and a Nikon Monarch hi mag (up to 20 power) on it for coyote & prairie dog thumping, so will have to shoot it in target class next time.

Jim

 

[Maverick223]

I fear you're right, KSCCHTrainer; and it'll be even worse in the centerfire match. I was considering using my .45-70Govt. this time around, but I think I may hold off till next month.

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

Okay, here goes. Got to the indoor range this morning - shot the new .22 and it did reasonably well with Federal target 40 grain ammo after 100 rounds down range to break in and foul the barrel. I'm calling it a possible 75, but it could be just an 18 as one round mostly in the 19 but actually breaks the 20 line AND the red edge at the same time. Don't know if that just DQ's the 20 or the 20 AND all the 19's as well. Your call Maverick.

The .17HMR did outstanding in target class. I finally got it to settle down and found the ammo it seems to like best - The Hornady stuff using the 20 grain XTP hollow points. Got the tightest group with them. Vertical stringing on the target is me trying to cautiously creep up on the top 20 triangle with out DQ'ing it. The first target I shot with the .17 Also might actually be a zero because had one hit simultaneously on the 20 line and the red edge. It extends into the 19 block like the one on the .22 target did. Again, your call on that one Mav. The second .17 target redeems things though as it's a 96 with no red zone cuts!

.22 - Sporting Class, Irons - Savage Mark IIG, 50 yards, sling & elbow rest sitting. Ammo Federal target grade 40 grain solids.
.17 - Target/Unlimited class magnified, Savage 93R17, .17HMR, Sightmark (Sightron sniper scope clone) 8.5-25 X 50 set to 25 power. Front sandbag rest, rear rest sand filled squeeze bag. Ammo Hornady with 20 grain XTP hollow points.

C'mon Orlando, that Kimber ought to hang in there @ 100 too - look forward to you beating me though fitting 5 of those .22 holes in the 20 triangle might be pushing it. Probably be a stretch for the .17's too.

Jim

 

[Orlando]

Nice shooting!
I cant beat that at 100yds, Kimber wont hold much better than 1 inch groups at 100, your 100 yd group is what the Kimber does at 50 Maybe if I could ever get a windless day I could do slightly better.
The 17's definatly have the edge over a .22 anyday

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

I originally had a BSA Sweet 17 scope on my 93R17, but I didn't like it. Sold my 8mm Mauser but kept the scope I had on it (Sightmark 8.5-25 X 50) which is a clone of the big Sightron sniper scope but a heck of a lot less expensive -

Decided to put the biggie on the 93R17 and see how it worked. Pleasantly surprised as at 25 power I got a better view of the target than with the 18 power max on the BSA. I have a laser boresighter that will also project a leveling line on a flat surface to help getting the scope level. Beats the heck out of trying to guesstimate it. After getting the scope mounted, to my surprise, the windage showed right on by the laser.

Only took 5 rounds to sight it in. 2 to fine tune the windage and 3 more to get the elevation to the right spot on the sight-in target. All the ammo I had on hand was Hornady 20 grain XTP's and boy was that stuff consistent. It shot so well in this gun that I ordered a couple of bricks of it from Cheaper Than Dirt. They had it for $10.50 a box. Can't get it from Walmart for less than $13 and even with the shipping I can get 500 round bricks from CTD for less than I can get them from Wally world even if I didn't have to pay the local 7 percent sales tax.

If you recall, I kept getting 4 good ones and one flyer before. That was with both CCI (Hornady 17 grain V-Max bullet) and Federal (Hornady 17 grain V-Shock bullet). With the Hornady labeled ammo with the 20 grain XTP hollow points, the groups are super sub MOA and I didn't have any real flyers this morning that weren't caused by me trying to sneak up on that tiny 20 point tip of the triangle. Dang, I love that target. It makes you really work to control breathing and trigger squeeze, even off the sandbags! Putting a Harris bipod on it this afternoon and heading out to a prairie dog town on a buddy's property to thump a few tomorrow.

Gotta admit, I'm not sorry I picked up that Savage. Sure cost me a lot less than the Kimber would have and I really think it's just as accurate. Don't know just what Savage has done, but for inexpensive, right out of the box accuracy, they're proving to be very hard to beat.

Jim

 

[Atom Smasher]

In terms of sporting rifles, what do you guys think about the .22 chambered ARs? Stuff like the M&P 15-22, the Sig 522- do you think they could hold up in terms of accuracy or are things like unmodified 10-22s going to be a better gun?

 

[Maverick223]

Don't know if that just DQ's the 20 or the 20 AND all the 19's as well. Your call Maverick.

The only ones not counted are those that break the edge of the triangle, all others (including those in the same point bracket) are counted.

The .17HMR did outstanding in target class.

No kidding, outstanding performance by the rifle and yourself.

In terms of sporting rifles, what do you guys think about the .22 chambered ARs? Stuff like the M&P 15-22, the Sig 522- do you think they could hold up in terms of accuracy or are things like unmodified 10-22s going to be a better gun?

Sure can, but like anything else it depends upon the build (the S&W you mention seems to do well, don't know about the SIG) and the sights (a good moderate power scope can help quite a bit). Stock 10-22s do pretty decent (more than adequate for hunting), but can't quite match a good target rifle (even a relatively inexpensive Savage Mk. II or Marlin M-60, amongst others, averages a bit better).

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

In terms of sporting rifles, what do you guys think about the .22 chambered ARs? Stuff like the M&P 15-22, the Sig 522- do you think they could hold up in terms of accuracy or are things like unmodified 10-22s going to be a better gun?

That's a very good question. I've actually had one of the older CZ .22 AR Uppers and built it up into a really nice .22. In terms of accuracy, while the CZ purpose built .22 rifles have superb accuracy, the AR upper had a 16" barrel and would only group 1.5 to 2" at 50 yards. That's the only one I've had personal experience with, except for the Ciener conversion chamber to make a .223 AR into a .22. It had worse groups than the dedicated CZ. Those pretty much soured me on the AR platform for .22's, but I don't know how the newer crop of them compare.

An unmodified 10-22 certainly will shoot better than those I've mentioned, but if you're going to spend your money on either a .22 or a .17 and want target accuracy, I'd not go with any semi-auto. The Savage bolt guns on the low cost end are really great. As you go up in price, the CZ and Kimbers are very hard to beat. All are a bit ammunition sensitive in that they seem to prefer one brand over the others and this will actually vary in two rifles of identical manufacture.

Now that I've confused you completely, maybe some of the other guys will chime in with their two cents.

No matter what, pick something and jump into the fray. These matches that Maverick223 has been setting up are great fun and there are enough different categories that everyone has a great chance to win one or more of them. They are designed to be challenging, to say the least.

Jim

 

[Orlando]

My 2 cents the mid priced .17 rifle will beat a mid to higher end .22 anyday . IMO the 22 and .17 arent even in the same catergory as can be seen buy the results in these matches, especially at longer distances . If you want great accuracy without breaking the bank I would go with a bolt action .17

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

That Savage Mark IIG sporter I picked up yesterday definitely shows a heat preference. First couple of cold shots are higher and to the left from point of aim. After 5 or so rapid shots, it then groups 3-5 right where it should and if you keep shooting, it starts drifting lower and more to the right. Haven't shot it enough yet to see how long it takes to cool back to the POA after getting hot. The barrel actually IS free-floated and handily passes the dollar bill test.

My 2 cents the mid priced .17 rifle will beat a mid to higher end .22 anyday so if you want great accuracy without breaking the bank I would go with a bolt action .17

Gotta agree with you on that one Orlando. My first .17 was an older Savage Mark II in .17Mach2 and until I got suckered into that one, I really thought the .17 was a passing fancy. That thing shot so well after I fixed the 9lb trigger pull that I went and bought another Savage (93R17) in .17HMR. It has proven to be the most accurate of all of them and capable of well under 1/2" groups at 100 yards. Mind you, that's on an indoor range with no wind so you are getting to see the actual accuracy of the barrel and ammo without having to factor in the wind.

Jim

 

[Maverick223]

I agree that there are better choices for a dedicated target rifle, but that's what the sporting class is for, in which either the AR .22LR or stock 10/22 should do pretty fair. At any rate the purpose is to improve the shooter and, more importantly, to have fun doing so. If you can afford a purpose-built target rifle, by all means give it a shot, but if not use what you already own. The only looser here is the one that doesn't get out to the range (or in many cases your backyard) and enjoy a little friendly competition.

As for the 10/22, that booger is far from stock, the only bits left are the receiver, trigger group (with trigger work performed), and bolt, everything else has been replaced, some several times over. That said, I managed to keep it light enough for sporting use (by using a lightweight Tac-Sol. bbl), but I still can't, in good conscience, enter it in the sporting class.

My 2 cents the mid priced .17 rifle will beat a mid to higher end .22 anyday so if you want great accuracy without breaking the bank I would go with a bolt action .17

I agree to an extent, just as long as the shooter already has a good .22LR for a cheap plinker, as the cheapest of .17HMR is more costly than decent match .22LR and many times more expensive than bulk. I think a good, solid .22LR is the compulsory...the .17cal., albeit a worthwhile addition, can wait till funds permit.

 

[Maverick223]

I wish I could have gotten those type of groups out of it straight out of the box...would have saved me quite a bit of coin over the years. For the record they are NOT in any way a good rifle for someone that is seeking a target rifle on a tight budget. Here's a photo of what it looks like...this week:

 

[KSCCHTrainer]

Hey Mav, what brand is that sling? Where did you get it? I need to get at least one just like it.

Jim