Semi in 10mm?

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By the way I've decided to scrap this idea and just go with a 9 or 40. 10mm is enticing because it's the smallest legal big game cal here in MN but who am I trying to kid. I aint ever going to hunt with the thing!
 
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Double Eagles are great guns. Probably slimmer than 1911 since that's what it is without a grip safety. 10mm is for reloaders. It is a fantastic caliber. If you plan to shoot a lot of it, I'd recommend an accompanying Dillon 550B to keep up with your reloading needs.

What I can't believe is the $4,999 Dan Wesson Titan 10mm 1911, made by CZ. Cool gun but come on!

The S&W are pretty slim.

The one I carry the most is G29 w/ G20 mag with extension sleeve and laser. A big handful...
 
Witnesses are great guns. Ive got one in 9mm with the .22 slide. The match versions i believe come straight from the italian gunsmith, theyre built with a bit more care, and i think they come with a certificate of authenticity

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I had a Polymer Witness in 10mm a while ago and I will tell you the Steel Frame ones are amazing!!
They are actually the reason I got the polymer one ... When really ... I should have justgotten a steel framed one.
In this case the polymer compact is useless ... It jams from the 10mm recoil flexing the frame. The steel one was a sweet shooting gun that made me look stupid good.

So yeah, nothing but good things to say about the steel ones. the Polymer ones ... Stay away from in the larger calbers. 9mm and probably even .45 is fine ... But the fast slide and hard kick is no good on those.
 
ok , I have a question though, A lgs around me has a smith in 10mm fo sale and it looks pretty used, would that be a better buy than a new glock? their priced right at about the same, or would the lower price for the smith be a warning to something being wrong with it?
 
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Could also be a supply demand thing ... I picked up a perfectly functional and ultimately amazing Kahr E9 simply because nobody else wanted it.
 
I think the stop in production of the Smith and introduction of the Delta Elite is the reason factory ammo is so watered down
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The Delta Elite came out BEFORE the S&W 10xx series. Factory 10mm ammo got watered down because a bunch of FBI agents couldn't handle the full house stuff. Winchester's 175gr Silver Tip is loaded close to the max velocities listed for 180gr JHP in the reloading manuals. Buffalo Bore and several others offer factory full house 10mm.
 
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My Kimber Stainless Target II has the thickest chamber walls out of my five 10mm's:

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Left to right:

Witness Limited: 0.099"
Glock 20: 0.108"
S&W 1006: 0.130"
Kimber STII: 0.132"

A properly built 1911 handles 10mm just fine. The S&W is by far the strongest platform, though.



1911 by a decent margin. The Witness is surprisingly slender for a double stack, large-frame gun, though. If magazine capacity is a concern, the 1911 and S&W platforms hold 9, the Glock 20 holds 15, and the Witness are between 11 for compact and 21 for Henning's comp mags, with 15 being standard for full size.

I'm trying to collect them all. Not there yet, but a decent start:
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If I could only keep one, though, it'd be the 1006.



This is one of the most annoying and oft-regurgitated myths about the 10mm. That's only true of bullets 165 & under, and some of the 180's. The 200, 220 and 230 gr. bullets are definitely meant for 10mm; Most 200 & up cannot be safely loaded into a .40, unless it's a .40 barrel in a 10mm frame using 10mm magazines.

This is like when people say the 8mm Rem Mag is no good because all the 8mm bullets were designed for the 8x57 mauser. Do we really think bullets like the heavy-jacketed 220 gr. BTSP Sierra offers were meant for the 8mm Mauser at a paltry 2,400 FPS?

My pet 10mm load is a Remington Golden Sabre 180 gr. with IMR-800x that leaves 5" guns at 1,406. It has performed well in all my tests.



Duh. Can't believe I forgot that one.
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Nice collection and pics.

Don't need to regurgicate any so called myths regarding loading 40cal bullets to 10mm velocities because I do my own testing. 135gr, 150gr, 155gr, 165gr and some 180s can be blown up at 10mm velocities, yet it's a myth???

Here's some myth examples;

155XTP - 1570fps - expansion 0.660" recovered weight 117.0grs
155GD - 1420fps - expansion 0.814" recovered weight 132.9grs
180GD - 1300fps - expansion 0.5655" recovered weight 118.7grs
180XTP- 1300fps - expansion 0.623" recovered weight 144.7grs
175 Silver Tip - 1300fps - expansion 0.726" recovered weight 150.1grs

The Golden Saber design is tough in a number of calibers and I've found it very good against steel barriers.

I have some 180gr Golden Sabers in inventory and the Fackler trough is set up for testing. Weather permitting I should be able to test the GS through a 6" barrel, it's doughtful I'll break into the 1400fps tho.
 
The Delta Elite came out BEFORE the S&W 10xx series. Factory 10mm ammo got watered down because a bunch of FBI agents couldn't handle the full house stuff. Winchester's 175gr Silver Tip is loaded close to the max velocities listed for 180gr JHP in the reloading manuals. Buffalo Bore and several others offer factory full house 10mm.
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Yep. Here's a 1989 model, and the gun I would keep if I had to get rid of everything but one.:uhoh: (speechless terror)
Don't believe anybody that has worries about the 1911 in 10mm. This one has thousands of rounds through, mostly reloads, but 2 favorite factory loads were the Winchester Silver-Tip and PMC's 170 gr hp at 1200 fps. It has virtually no "watered down" loads through it in over 20 years.

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Don't need to regurgicate any so called myths regarding loading 40cal bullets to 10mm velocities because I do my own testing. 135gr, 150gr, 155gr, 165gr and some 180s can be blown up at 10mm velocities, yet it's a myth???
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No. The statement that all .40 caliber bullets are intended for .40 S&W velocities and don't perform well at 10mm velocities is a myth:

It's important to remember that you are handloading bullets designed for 40 velocities, meaning bullets will come apart when pushed to full 10mm velocities.
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Because we are not discussing a specific bullet and weight, your statement there does imply that all .400" bullets are meant for .40 S&W velocities

Your entire meaning could have been changed and removed contention with slightly different wording:

"It's important to remember [strike]that you are[/strike] when handloading bullets designed for 40 velocities, [strike]meaning[/strike] those bullets [strike]will[/strike] may come apart when pushed to full 10mm velocities."


We're not even arguing at this point, though. What I said:

That's only true of bullets 165 & under, and some of the 180's.
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Is exactly the same as what you just said:

135gr, 150gr, 155gr, 165gr and some 180s can be blown up at 10mm velocities
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I won't speculate as to whether that's what you originally meant or you're backpeddling a little. Doesn't matter, since we're in agreement now.
 
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ok , I have a question though, A lgs around me has a smith in 10mm fo sale and it looks pretty used, would that be a better buy than a new glock? their priced right at about the same, or would the lower price for the smith be a warning to something being wrong with it?
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I would think that's a demand issue, as noted by the post following your's. I don't know anything about Glocks. They simply don't interest me. It's possible that I could become interested if I had an interest in a 10mm handgun simply for the utility of the handgun.

The Smith would interest me more, and it's possible that I would pick one up that looks pretty used. This with a view towards having it hard chromed or maybe glass bead blasted, or something like that.

What the gun stores do doesn't always seem to make sense. One dealer local to me has a well used blue Delta Elite priced at $1200. If it looked like what you see in post 40, that would be one thing. As it is, I don't know what he's thinking.

Stopped at a shop an hour north of here today and picked up a NIB Delta Elite for a nickel under $960. I was shocked. They say it came in a few days ago, just out of the blue from the factory. This and I'm sure he said a Mustang .380. I' not a Colt expert, and I don't know .380 handguns. He talked like he didn't know Colt was still making a compact .380.

I hadn't planned to purchase a handgun today, but what do you do?

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WC Tactical Elite in 10 mil. Magwell removed. Metaloy HC frame and barrel. Cerakote slide. Novak sights installed by Novak's. I would challenge anyone to break that FO front sight.
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Heinie Longslide. I had this shipped into an FFL 90 minutes south of here. Three folks handled it while I was doing paperwork. None of them noticed it had a long slide.
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What the gun stores do doesn't always seem to make sense. One dealer local to me has a well used blue Delta Elite priced at $1200. If it looked like what you see in post 40, that would be one thing. As it is, I don't know what he's thinking.
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Ouch. Mine was one third that back in '89, NIB.

Stopped at a shop an hour north of here today and picked up a NIB Delta Elite for a nickel under $960. I was shocked. They say it came in a few days ago, just out of the blue from the factory. This and I'm sure he said a Mustang .380. I' not a Colt expert, and I don't know .380 handguns. He talked like he didn't know Colt was still making a compact .380.
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Gorgeous and I am envious. And the Mustang Pocketlite just came back into production after years of hiatus.
 
Could find one of these - though I'm at a loss to explain why I though I needed a Gold Cup in 10...:banghead: And NIB at that:cuss:
 

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Speaking of 1911, 10mm and Dan Wesson. Full sized custom one of a kind from Dan Wesson. Ser.#BTRZ001
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Looking forward to my custom CBOB I have on order from Dan Wesson.
 
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