Senate "unites" to stick it to America on illegal immigration

[bg]

I can't say what I want to about this, as it would be under
even the lowest of low roads, but I will say it just lites
me off. The fix was in from the start.. >
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060406...shQuk0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Putting aside party differences, Senate Republicans and Democrats coalesced Thursday around compromise legislation that holds out the hope of citizenship to an estimated 11 million immigrants living in the United States unlawfully.

SUPPORT HR.4437

 

[Standing Wolf]

Would someone please remind me how to tell the Republicrats from the Democans? I seem to have forgotten.

 

[Biker]

No problem, Standing Wolf; One begins with an R and the other with a D.
Hope is in the rearview mirror.
Biker

 

[TexasRifleman]

What a crock of big smelly poop.

This part is my favorite....

Illegal immigrants in the United States for less than two years would be required to leave the country and apply for re-entry alongside anyone else seeking to emigrate.

Yeah right. They are ALREADY required to leave the country because it's freaking illegal to be here in the first place!!!!

I notice this legislation didn't have a big budget increase for the Border Patrol to begin tossing people out huh?

I am gonna go a) be sick b) drink heavily (probably not in that order)

 

[CAnnoneer]

It is a social experiment - the senators want to see how much crap they can do before they get booted out of office. Let's see if all the turncoats get reelected in a few years. Frist and the others just marked the death hour of the Republican party.

So much for the "lesser of two evils". Which one was lesser again?

Tancredo for president in 2008.

 

[CAnnoneer]

double click

 

[Lennyjoe]

Heard a snippet of McCain asking who would pick lettuce in Yuma for $50 per hour. Said no American would do it and thats why we need migrant workers.

Hell, for $50 per hour you can count me in. I play golf all day long in 100 degrees and have to pay for it.

 

[Biker]

Hell, for $50 an hour, I'll go under water and pork fish.
Biker

 

[Sindawe]

Hell, for $50 an hour, I'll go under water and pork fish.

Biker, you owe me a new monitor as this one is now covered in herbal tea and shrimp curry!

Yea, I'll go pick lettuce for $50/hr.

 

[dasmi]

If they pay $50 an hour to pick lettuce in Yuma, I'll pack up my life and move there tomorrow. Seriously.

 

[lamazza]

hell, for $50/hr ill take bikers seconds!
Does McCain say that he's a rebublican with a straight face?

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Does McCain say that he's a rebublican with a straight face?

I suspect most Republicans will end up supporting McCain's proposal.

 

[beerslurpy]

THE BILL IS HR 4437 NOT 4473.

4473 is the ATF yellow form to record a Title 1 transfer.

Stop getting it wrong, you twits. This isnt the first time it has happened.

More relevantly, the bill still has to get through the House, which is much more in tune with the rest of America. The real contest of wills will be in the conference between the houses.

 

[Standing Wolf]

I predict the Republicans will lose big this November—and deservedly so.

 

[3rdpig]

Heard a snippet of McCain asking who would pick lettuce in Yuma for $50 per hour. Said no American would do it and thats why we need migrant workers.

Rino McCain didn't just say Americans wouldn't do it, he also stated that we COULDN'T do it. This guy needs to be taken down a few notches, like from Senator to private citizen. I was going to say something else, but this is The High Road.

 

[longeyes]

Caligula wished that the Senate had but one neck.

Now I know how he felt.

 

[beerslurpy]

The questions we should not be asking are "are they working?" or "are they paying taxes?" These are irrelevant questions for people making 5 dollars an hour.

We should be asking "are they contributing to the country or are they taking away from it?" When you consider that these illegal aliens are illiterate, poor and unskilled, they will represent both a large drain and a small contribution to our society. Thus, the answer is to expel them as quickly as possible.

Regardless of what policy we choose to have, if we wish for any immigration policy to be enforceable, we need more bodies at the border and we need a wall for them to guard. Otherwise this is so much hot air.

 

[longeyes]

Like an abused spouse one day we will wake up and will have had ENOUGH.

I think that day is near.

 

[longeyes]

McCain, like Kerry, specializes in marrying wealthy heiresses. This is where he gets his brilliant sense of economics.

 

[meef]

I predict the Republicans will lose big this November—and deservedly so.

I wish like hell they would ALL lose big this November.

 

[Kamicosmos]

I don't understand how they can just make up these bills and pass them into law. Something this big that affects the country this way NEEDS to be voted upon by us, the Citizens.

This whole thing has me so worked up I have to mostly ignore it or I get to ranting and raving and getting myself half sick.

It's going to pass, the whole damn Senate just went Mexican-Socialist (Mezi's, I guess?) on us.

I am going to vote against every single republican on every ballot, from local straight on up, on every vote I go to from now on. Maybe I'll just abstain my vote. I've been voting Repub or Libertarian. Libs got nowhere and the Repubs are turning out to be worse than the Democrats....

messed up country ...
:banghead:

 

[Cosmoline]

Yeah right. They are ALREADY required to leave the country because it's freaking illegal to be here in the first place!!!!

Yeah, this one had me laughing and crying at the same time. Just how are they going to enforce any of this if they have zero control over the border as it is? The whole thing is window dressing. The first order of business MUST be to build a wall and mine the damn border. Until the flow is brought under some measure of control, these steps will remain a joke. Actually, the full amnesty is the only real honest approach being proposed. It at least admits that the feds have completely and utterly failed at their most basic responsibility.

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

HAHA!

Not because we are being sent to our doom by these tyrants, but because maybe this, just maybe this will finally put it into people's brain that the people ARE NOT BEING REPRESENTED.

We are all politically homeless. The Democrats and republicans are just a 2 party gang on the same side. They disagree on idiotic wedge-issues to create the illusion of conflict, but in reality they both agree on staying in power and controlling ME and YOU all while growing the government. Like some Christians believe in the Holy Trinity, the government is like the Unholy Doublet.

I've argued till I was blue in the face with a number of highly leftwing progressive folks. Despite all of our differences economically, we have more in common when it comes to liberty than we do in comparison with what the government actually does. That's a fact. Left/Right people basically disagree on gun control, but beyond that, they are pretty much in favor of liberty. The government is not in favor of ANY liberty whatsoever. This is proven by history and their track record of excutive orders/policies, legislation, and judicial decisions for many decades. Neither we, nor them are being represented...so this brings us to the question, who are they serving? THEMSELVES. That's who.


So, if you actually believe they will act in your benefit - think again. They don't act in your benefit when it comes to your fundamental God given rights! What makes you think they care about the effects of immigration on you?


Sorry for being a pessimist. I just call it like I see it.

 

[beerslurpy]

We dont have physical control over the border. As long as we dont have control, we cant make any enforceable policy on the border, because any policy can be effortlessly mooted by any illegal alien with working legs. Everything we do is just hot air until we physically control the border. Remember this.

As this debate progresses, I want you to keep in mind that we already enacted a very impressive sounding anti-immigration bill in 86 that wasnt enforceable for this same lack of physical control. It had sanctions against both employers and aliens. And it accomplished absolutely nothing and it was never enforced (3 employers were sanctioned in 20 years). Remember this.

If the bill that comes out of congress doesnt include actual physical measures to control the border (like a wall and more guards) then you know we have been snookered yet again. PLEASE DONT LET THIS HAPPEN. Email and phones people.

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

We dont have physical control over the border. As long as we dont have control, we cant make any enforceable policy on the border, because any policy can be effortlessly mooted by any illegal alien with working legs. Everything we do is just hot air until we physically control the border. Remember this.

That should be:

We dont have physical control over our government. As long as we dont have control, we cant expect them to make any effective policy on the border, because any policy can be effortlessly mooted by any illegal alien with working legs. Everything we do is just hot air until we restore the concept that "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

The Senate "compromise" aka agreement is on amnesty. That means there is ZERO chance of a wall. Forget it, bye bye. Government does not want what the vast majority of Americans want. Hence in my post before this one, we are not being represented at all. One entire side of a debate is being completely told to go away. Well, maybe some small extremist minority is, and of course the illegals are being represented!


Feels good doesn't it? Especially right before tax time!