Senate "unites" to stick it to America on illegal immigration

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CAnnoneer said:
Btw, did you guys know Byrd is going to run for a NINETH TERM?!!!

It's okay... he lost his sanity way back in his third term so no big deal!!! ;)

I have always supported the idea of Congressional terms of office matching the Executive branch; once legislators become entrenched getting them out of office becomes a chore... no reason a senator shouldn't have the same responsibilities to office that a president faces... too much entrenched bureaucracy on Capitol Hill today!
 
So now we get to have a bunch of demonstrations in support of the Illegals... How about a demonstration in support of Americans!!! I'm up for it, we just need someone to get us organized!!
 
beerslurpy said, "these illegal aliens are illiterate, poor and unskilled, they will represent both a large drain and a small contribution to our society."

'Scuse me. This same statement could have been made about a large number of job applicants at my wife's little manufacturing operation--and those folks were native-born high school "graduates".

While I don't feel sorry for the senators, I think any sense of frustration on their part is justified. The money and manpower doesn't exist to round up and throw out all the illegals--nor pay for all the court costs mandated by existing law. There is all this public pressure to "Do something!" and at the same time those companies who employ both citizens and illegals have their own voices added to the pressure.

Add up: Umpteen news channels. Internet. Election year. Economics and politics. The sum total of all that means that whatever comes out of Congress is gonna be about as attractive as a four-legged duck.

Art
 
Senate Vote Shelves Immigration Bill
Apr 07 10:42 AM US/Eastern
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/07/D8GR7L20E.html

By SUZANNE GAMBOA
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON


The Senate sidetracked sweeping immigration legislation Friday, leaving in doubt prospects for passing a bill offering the hope of citizenship to millions of men, women and children living in the United States illegally.

A carefully crafted compromise that supporters had claimed could win an overwhelming majority received only 38 of the 60 votes necessary to protect it from weakening amendments by opponents.



Republicans were united in the 38-60 parliamentary vote but Democrats, who have insisted on no amendments, lost six votes from their members.

Earlier Friday, President Bush prodded lawmakers to keeping trying to reach an agreement, but both sides said the odds were increasing that a breakthrough would not occur until Congress returns from a two-week recess.

"An immigration system that forces people into the shadows of our society, or leaves them prey to criminals is a system that needs to be changed," Bush said at the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast. "I'm confident that we can change our immigration system in ways that secures our border, respects the rule of law, and, as importantly, upholds the decency of our country."

Democrats and Republicans blamed each other for the stalemate.

"It's not gone forward because there's a political advantage for Democrats not to have an immigration bill," said Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa.

He said Democrats perceive a benefit in having only a GOP-written House bill that criminalizes being an illegal immigrant. That bill has prompted massive protests across the country, including a march by 500,000 people in Los Angeles last month.

Democrats blamed Republicans for insisting on amendments that would weaken a compromise that Senate leaders in both parties had celebrated Thursday.

"This opportunity is slipping through our hands like grains of sand," said assistant Senate Democratic leader Dick Durbin of Illinois.

The election-year legislation is designed to enhance border security and regulate the flow of future temporary workers as well as affect the lives of illegal immigrants.

It separates illegal immigrants now in the U.S. into three categories.

Illegal immigrants here more than five years could work for six years and apply for legal permanent residency without having to leave the country. Those here two years to five years would have to go to border entry points sometime in next three years, but could immediately return as temporary workers. Those here less than two years would have to leave and wait in line for visas to return.

The bill also provides a new program for 1.5 million temporary agriculture industry workers over five years. It includes provisions requiring employers to verify they've hired legal workers and calls for a "virtual" fence of surveillance cameras, sensors and other technology to monitor the nearly 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexican border.

Demonstrations in support of the compromise were planned for Monday across the nation, including one in Washington that organizers claimed would draw 100,000 people.

The acrimony in the Senate at Thursday night's end was a sharp contrast to the accolades 14 members of both parties traded just hours earlier when they announced their compromise.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist called it tragic "that we in all likelihood are not going to be able to address a problem that directly affects the American people."

The House has passed legislation limited to border security, but Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., and other leaders have signaled their willingness in recent days to broaden the bill in compromise talks with the Senate.

But Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., said anything with what he called amnesty would not get agreement from a majority in the House.

The immigration debate has given the American public a glimpse of what may lay ahead in 2008 GOP presidential politics.

Frist, R-Tenn., a potential presidential candidate in 2008, sought to establish more conservative credentials when he initially backed a bill limited to border security. At the same time, he has repeatedly called for a comprehensive bill _ adopting Bush's rhetoric _ and involved himself in the fitful negotiations over the past several days.
 
Looks like we can still make a difference.

I wouldn't be high-fiving it just yet. All they did is shelve it until after spring recess.

The guest worker program in some form is going to pass, and yes, for those here more than two years or what ever number they settle on, that would be a form of "amnesty". It has to pass, because there is no other practical alternative.

The only reason there is GOP resistance is due to a concern for who this wave of people with common sentiments are likely to vote for by the time they reach citizen status. That is the same reason the Democrats are licking their chops. That's the whole reason for the felony thing in the House, because felons are not eligible to vote. An amendment to deny voting privileges, a special form of citizenship, would be perfect in my opinion.
 
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...fm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00088#position

Here is the cloture vote for the immigration bill. Cloture is the parliamentary procedure by which debate is ended and an immediate vote is taken on the matter under discussion.

In voting 'NAY' on cloture, the Republicans (and 5 Democrats) said that they need to keep debating the bill, and possibly amend it further. Notice how only Democrats voted 'YEA'.

Time to congratulate the 'NAY's and berate the 'YEA's.
 
Potential SHTF : Immigration Bill Protests.....

Frankly, I'm amazed that major riots have not yet occurred considering the number/location of and "people attending" protests in various urban areas..........how long before one occurs??

Maybe Monday:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200604/POL20060407a.html
"City and state officials in Phoenix, Ariz., are bracing for what some say will be a "human tsunami" of protesters - perhaps 100,000 - marching Monday through the downtown streets to complain about state and federal immigration reform measures."

Considering the volatility and many Americans "enough is enough" view, it won't take much for an incident to set off a days-long around the nation riot??
 
There is all this public pressure to "Do something!" and at the same time those companies who employ both citizens and illegals have their own voices added to the pressure.

And when it comes to the bottom line, it has been ok to break the law,
stick it to their fellow citizens, and make the extra buck. Then the
companies complain that there's no "loyalty" from their employees.
Should they be surprised? They created this situation in the first
place by driving wages downward, then getting so-called less qualified
citizen applicants becomes a self-fulfulling prophesy.

UPDATE: It's been shelved ...at least for now.

Yeah, way too many eyes on the issue right now. Need to distract
the mob with a new spectacle or game in the coliseum....take it up
later under the cover of darkness like their pay raises a few years
back.

...and, in 2006, the Senate will change hands from a bunch of jackasses to a bunch of donkeys...and we won't even know the difference...

I agree with you. While John Q. Citizen is busy clicking away on the remote
to a more interesting channel than C-Span ("Hey the Man Show is on!"),
he will likely not notice the latex glove has moved from the right to left hand
since they're both attached to the same proctologist. :eek:
 
Anyone have a link to see how each Senator voted on this?

Look around NumbersUSA.com. They always post the votes at least regarding immigration issues. Also, if you become a member (free), you get a billboard customized to your set of politicians by district and state, through which you can send them free faxes on each of the issues. The billboard also shows how they voted on the latest thing and the faxes are customized accordingly. I always add a few sentences to drive the point home.
 
An amendment to deny voting privileges, a special form of citizenship, would be perfect in my opinion.

In any case, few people realize that granting citizenship to illegals is impossible without complete rape of our current immigration laws. One of the provisions for even remaining in the country, let alone adjusting status to permanent residency, is that you NEVER broke the immigration laws. If you did AT ANY TIME, you are automatically disqualified from pursuing citizenship.

That is one of the reasons why what the Peers of the Land, but especially the first Duchess of California and the Archduke of Chappaquidick, is so egregiously unlawful. She had the gall to show herself on national TV last week and enlightened her unwashed serfs that "illegals are good Americans". I guess breaking the law every second in your life is now part of being a good American?
 
The money and manpower doesn't exist to round up and throw out all the illegals--nor pay for all the court costs mandated by existing law.

Well, if they don't exist when there's only "7 million" according to the Senate committee, and they didn't exist when there were only 1 million, where's the money and manpower gonna come from when illegals reach 20 million? At what point do you throw in the towel and stop putting Band-Aids on the problem?

Just think of the "money and manpower" one gets from disbanding Border Patrol and INS that could be used to improve social services and outreach and job-training programs. :evil:
 
A government that comes out on national TV and says it is physically incapable of enforcing its laws or guarding its borders, becomes a complete and utter joke for everybody in the world. I am sure OBL and the rest of the crappers are overjoyed to hear our so-called leaders are waving the white flag on an issue of national security.

You want solutions? Easy:

1) Put a 100 dollar bounty on the living head of every man, woman, and child, to be collected when the merc delivers them to a border pass. No terminations allowed unless in self-defense. They are shipped across the border. Let's see if they can afford the services of a coyote every month. Mercs would be deputized specifically for immigration services only.

2) Put a $10,000 bounty on the dead head of a confirmed coyote. Those can be monitored and identified by satellite photos and automated spy planes. We have already paid for the toys, why not use them?

20 million illegals equals 2 billion one-time cost. A thousand dead coyotes equals a one-time cost of 10 million dollars. That is nothing next to what we pay directly and indirectly because of the illegals. We burn 2 billion in less than a month in Iraq. To say the gov cannot do it is RIDICULOUS. To say that our Peers of the Land do not want to do it is accurate.
 
With good suggestion by Pax =>


I see several discussions on aspects of the immigration issue but I don't see a prevailing sentiment for action on improving our border barriers. For those interested, I suggest you read Charles Krauthammer's opinion editorial in today's Washington Post entitled: "First a Wall -- Then Amnesty".

While I disagree with his secondary treatise on amnesty, Mr. Krauthammer is right to acknowledge his first point, that a border wall is necessary BEFORE ANY further immigration issue is addressed; a nation needs to stop the bleeding at its borders before operation on its immigration laws is performed!

Congress needs to fix our leaky borders, north and south, before they address the floodwaters within!
 
...and, in 2006, the Senate will change hands from a bunch of jackasses to a bunch of donkeys...and we won't even know the difference...

No, the GOP has captured the immigration issue and is more consistent with the polls. Nothing will be done until after the next election, and only then will we find that, well, actually, no one has a better idea than some form of amnesty, and it will pass. Gotcha! Listen to John McCain. He knows what must be done on this issue and is not hung up on the cow flop. However, it may be his downfall. I would prefer that they do "the right thing" now, but that's politics.
 
Yes I tend to agree, but it scares me what the other party will do to us. Remember, both parties want bigger gooberment, it's the nature of the beast.

At this point, to me, the choice of the two parties as they now stand is pretty much "Do you want to get shot with a Remington 12-gauge, or a Mossberg 12-gauge? You get your choice!" (Not getting shot isn't a choice.)

I wish third parties were a viable solution at this time.
 
In any case, few people realize that granting citizenship to illegals is impossible without complete rape of our current immigration laws.

We have had to improvise before. The best example is dealing with the end of slavery.
 
But but but only them commie Libertarians want open borders, not honest hardworking Republican lawmakers! Oh, certain Republicans want POROUS borders, well, that's completely different...

1. Libertarians do not want open borders--at least not the ones with more than half a brain. I know I don't.
2. Libertarians are farther right than Republicans, believing in maximum liberty and minimum government control. Commies are far left, believing in maximum government power and minimal individual liberty. This distinction is obvious to most, but just in case you missed the memo...
 
We have had to improvise before. The best example is dealing with the end of slavery.

There is a difference. Ending slavery was something most citizens agreed on (in case you didn't know, the Civil War was fought over states' powers of secession, not slavery, which most people didn't really want anyway), and was generally thought of as a negative thing, even well before its end.

Illegal aliens are wanted out by an overwhelming majority of the country, with no amnesty, no "guest worker" (read: illegal alien) program, and no delays!

The two issues are like night and day.
 
I'm dumbfounded by the Senate proposal. For example, if an illegal has been here for two years or less, he/she has to leave the country. How is time of residence proven? It is generally accepted that over one million illegals a year cross our border. So, the Senate is willing to deport two million illegals *after* the bill passes but not now? If they can't be deported now, how will they magically be deported *after*?
Insanity I tell ya, insanity...
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