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SIG P365 .380

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by zaitcev, Jan 19, 2021.

  1. zaitcev

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    Rumors are that the announcement was made during some kind of "online SHOT Show" streaming event, and a supposed screencap is floating around. Anyone knows for sure if this is legitimate?
     

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  2. reddog81

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    I have no idea if it’s legitimate, but it kind of seems like a “meh” announcement if true. I’m sure it’d be a good gun, but it’s already available in 9mm...
     
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    If true and using the same frame, I suppose the idea is for a lighter recoiling gun, and or those who are into the .380 cartridge but not the 9x19 for whatever reason. That’s not going to set the world on fire, but it’s a market. At least S&W seemed to think so with the .380 EZ.

    More interesting and way less likely would be a ~10% smaller gun overall. I’ve been thinking on a double stacked LCP/P3AT type gun for quite some time...
     
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  4. zaitcev

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    The Glock 42 and 43 are significantly different, but if this were 10% smaller, they'd call it "P328" :)

    The wording about "fits most holsters" is very odd. If it's the same frame, why would it not fit all holsters? And if it's narrower, it would not come close to fitting most holsters -- except the soft ones.
     
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    The holster thing caught my eye as well, has just the right amount of specificity makes me lean toward legit. Not everyone is wanting a tiny 9mm, and a sig 365 in 9mm kurz with 10-12 rounds might sell very well.

    Oh, the ejection port would be smaller even if everything else was the same, so tightly molded kydex maybe would not fit perfect.
     
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    IIRC there are some nations wherein it's illegal to own "military" cartridges such as 9mm Luger, which I've heard is one reason the 380 is more popular than 9mm in parts of Europe. Perhaps Sig wants to serve that market, plus recoil-sensitive shooters or those with physical impairments who find the 9mm P365 a bit much to handle.
     
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    I want one.
     
  8. Grizzly2

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    If they work with the recoil spring to make it easier to operate the slide, similar to the EZ, i might be interested. I won't buy the EZ because it is too easy to not get a good firing grip and miss that grip safety if you happen to be under stress or in an awkward position.
     
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    That was my first thought also.
     
  10. zaitcev

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    I don't think the international market is the impetus. Domestically, guns in .380 account for about 15% of all automatic pistols, while 9mm takes 57%. So, if SIG were to make a competent .380, and it sells accordingly, it will increase the sales of P365 by 15/57 = 26%, assuming no cannibalization, of course.
     
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    iirr it was said that the dao P250 in .380 was also very easy to work the slide on.
     
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  12. Bush Pilot

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    And yet another offering in a gun that most people can't find ammo to shoot.
     
  13. halfmoonclip

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    Barring some real breakthru' in size or recoil, hard to say what might be gained.
    The G42 is the 21st Century's PPK, and is lighter, easier to shoot, and more reliable to boot.
    What I would spend money on is an LCP sized .380, but of better quality, sights, and perceived recoil. The LCP made concealed carry easy; a better gun would be an improvement.
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    I'd be interested if it is in the size/weight category as a Glock 42 with better capacity. As far as ammo is concerned, Sig sells its own line of ammo online, which includes .380. Although the available ammo has mostly (if not all) been 9mm, if Sig were to introduce a new firearm, it may be in a position to assure that there is some ammo for it, such as by offering coupons to buy a couple of boxes. That is what Para Ordnance did with high capacity magazines after the 1994 AWB.
     
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    More 380s is always a good thing IMHO. Especially if they are reliable
     
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    I can understand why Sig did what it did. It probably was much easier to design and vet, and it uses many parts interchangeable with the 9mm P365. It should sell well to people who have or can get .380 ammo. But, I am a little disappointed. I had hoped that it would be scaled down a little from the P365. The Glock 42 is my perfect pocket-sized gun. The P365 is a bigger animal. I think that my decision to purchase one will depend somewhat on weight and the dimensions and mass of the slide.

    If it uses the same grip module and FCU as the P365, I wonder if a conversion unit could be produced.
     
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    That's pretty much any gun right now..
     
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    I was hoping for a .22LR upper for the 365.
     
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    380 in the Sig 365 would be a great marketing move.

    For one, 9 mm pocket rockets are harder to master for newbies and average shooters. When Rohrbaugh came out with the lightest and smallest 9 mm they got an early reputation for being problematic. But the true problem was that a lot of buyers just could not control the gun, which resulted in jams.

    ‘The 365 is easier to shoot than the Rohrbaugh for sure, but keep in mind that a huge market is the baby boomers; and they are getting older and thus weaker, so a 10-12 shot 380 that is much more controllable is not a bad choice. At the end of their life as a company, Rohrbaugh offered the same gun in 380 with some takers. I thought it was dumb at the time, but then I was much younger and could not relate.

    I’ve been carrying Rohrbaugh’s for 15 years and am experimenting with the 365 and Hellcat. I am fighting nerve damage in my hands, so I believe a switch to 380 may be necessary for me in the next 5-10 years. And many older shooters are in that position now.

    We all know the Hellcat has taken sales away from the 365; a 380 version will definitely increase sales. Yeah, it will cannibalize some 365 9 mm sales, but at least Springfield won’t get them.

    Now the question is, can Sig pull it off without having to recall the guns? That is, get it right the first time?
     
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    Its already smaller than the 42, Although does weigh approximately 4oz more. Not sure they would increase dimensions for the smaller cartridge.
     
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  23. FFGColorado

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    Not really. G42 is longer by .14 inches but G42 is thinner and shorter..and G42 has a longer barrel.

    https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/glock-g42-vs-sig-sauer-p365
     
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    Don't see much advantage to the idea seeing that the 9mm and .380 cartridges occupy the same space vertically in a magazine.
     
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    I'm guessing you must be a younger man. As a 67 year old with declining hand strength along with degenerative arthritis in both the thumb and pinky of my shooting hand, I have no problem seeing the advantage of a P365 chambered in .380.
     
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