Zak Smith
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The AI AW is an issued sniper rifle for various countries. Are you guys seriously saying it's not a sniper rifle? That's nonsensical.
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Geckgo
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Is it cheating to use a bipod??? 
Zerodefect
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Is it cheating to use a bipod???
Heck no! But if the baddies hold still long enough a Sinclair front rest would be nice.
But a dumpster lid or your spotters bag of excrement could work as well.
Ramone
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Thanks, folks- I'll be back next week- don't forget your wait staff!
Hells no. and if it is, do it anyway. Always cheat, always win- up to and including welding an action to a 4 inch I-beam, and firing it with a shoelace. Bipods are mostly used to make your rifle sit nicely when you aren't using it- in the field there is a marked shortage of benches.
Seriously, though- if one wants to learn long range precision marksmanship, my advice in the first bit of that post is the way to go.
Note: I was what the lads today call a 'PIG', not a 'HOG'- I was in a STA platoon (so called because we went in first, found the best spot in the woods, and STAyed there), but I never attended the SSBC at Quantico, and we never deployed as Snipers- Sniping Doctrine, which is basically shooting the officers first, was surprising unpopular with the officers in my time (early '80s). Still, the above, especially getting the Stand Down from up above, is much what a real mission is like for a sniper.
PS- damn, that was funny- I actually laughed when re-reading it!
Hells no. and if it is, do it anyway. Always cheat, always win- up to and including welding an action to a 4 inch I-beam, and firing it with a shoelace. Bipods are mostly used to make your rifle sit nicely when you aren't using it- in the field there is a marked shortage of benches.
Seriously, though- if one wants to learn long range precision marksmanship, my advice in the first bit of that post is the way to go.
Note: I was what the lads today call a 'PIG', not a 'HOG'- I was in a STA platoon (so called because we went in first, found the best spot in the woods, and STAyed there), but I never attended the SSBC at Quantico, and we never deployed as Snipers- Sniping Doctrine, which is basically shooting the officers first, was surprising unpopular with the officers in my time (early '80s). Still, the above, especially getting the Stand Down from up above, is much what a real mission is like for a sniper.
PS- damn, that was funny- I actually laughed when re-reading it!
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Semper Fi Ramone.
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Ramone
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It always seemed to me to be a combination of not liking the idea of shooting the officers first, and really wanting to make BIG noises with arty and Air.
Swear ta gawd, I think some of my higher ups thought they got payed by the decibel.
Semper Fi, Ken!
Swear ta gawd, I think some of my higher ups thought they got payed by the decibel.
Semper Fi, Ken!
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That was great Ramone, and yes there are sniper rifles, they get used by guys who do what Ramone described.
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What he said. And Zak knows a thing or two about AIs.Zak Smith said:
Lovesbeer99
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Depending on your budget
GA Precision
Accuracy International
Savage
Remington
In that order. But don't over budget for the gun and not save enough for a nice piece of glass and rings. This is a classic mistake. I'm not sure what your skills are but if you can outshoot any of these you would have never asked this question so spend a lot of time dry firiing when you can't get to the range.
GA Precision
Accuracy International
Savage
Remington
In that order. But don't over budget for the gun and not save enough for a nice piece of glass and rings. This is a classic mistake. I'm not sure what your skills are but if you can outshoot any of these you would have never asked this question so spend a lot of time dry firiing when you can't get to the range.
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What's your experience with GP and/or AI? Placing GP above AI is ridiculous. I've shot and closely inspected my friend's GP and they're not even close to an AI. I have an AI AW and will be ordering an AI AWM next month. Accuracy International makes some of the most proven sniper rifles on the planet. I don't know why the US military is obsessed with Remington products and insists on using the XM2010 or the MSR which are both just glorified Remington 700s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8376808/Dead-Men-Risen-The-snipers-story.html
Story in pictures
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8381359/Dead-Men-Risen-The-snipers-story-in-pictures.html
What's your experience with GP and/or AI? Placing GP above AI is ridiculous. I've shot and closely inspected my friend's GP and they're not even close to an AI. I have an AI AW and will be ordering an AI AWM next month. Accuracy International makes some of the most proven sniper rifles on the planet. I don't know why the US military is obsessed with Remington products and insists on using the XM2010 or the MSR which are both just glorified Remington 700s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8376808/Dead-Men-Risen-The-snipers-story.html
Story in pictures
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8381359/Dead-Men-Risen-The-snipers-story-in-pictures.html
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someone should take Ramones post and cut it out and make it a sticky titled "Advice for best SNIPER Rifle"
That has to be the absolute BEST description of a tacticool sniper EVER
if this forum was facebook youd have gotten at least 1000000 likes by now LMAO!!!!
someone should take Ramones post and cut it out and make it a sticky titled "Advice for best SNIPER Rifle"
That has to be the absolute BEST description of a tacticool sniper EVER
if this forum was facebook youd have gotten at least 1000000 likes by now LMAO!!!!
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Excellent post, Ramone!
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1858 - I've shot all the rifles except the AI but I got to handle one once. (I know it's not the same) but my buddy has a GA custom made. IT's a rem 700 in 308 with an AI stock, teflon coated and 18x US Optics scope. With match ammo we were shooting quarters at 300 yards. It almost feels like it auto corrects.
My second choice is the AI based on its reputation but honestly I don't think I'd do better or worse with it. Once you hit that level of quality it's all about the shooter.
I also really liked the savage.
My second choice is the AI based on its reputation but honestly I don't think I'd do better or worse with it. Once you hit that level of quality it's all about the shooter.
I also really liked the savage.
It amazes me that a new (or any) member can't ask a legitimate question without everyone assuming that he's some kind of mall ninja. Give yourselves a pat on the back!! 
Lovesbee99, accuracy is only part of the overall design. The system has to work every time, all the time regardless of the environment or abuse. This is where the AI is proven whereas the GP is not.
Lovesbee99, accuracy is only part of the overall design. The system has to work every time, all the time regardless of the environment or abuse. This is where the AI is proven whereas the GP is not.
The classic additional question to the OP is:
Will you ever have the opportunity to shoot at distances like 1000 yards? If the longest shot you'll ever be able to take without a plane ticket is 300 yards, then that drastically changes your "needs" versus your "wants".
And another +1 for Ramone!
Will you ever have the opportunity to shoot at distances like 1000 yards? If the longest shot you'll ever be able to take without a plane ticket is 300 yards, then that drastically changes your "needs" versus your "wants".
And another +1 for Ramone!
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Holy crap that was hilarious.
Call your girlfriend. She'll tell you to wait and call her back a few more times before she tells you no.
Call your girlfriend. She'll tell you to wait and call her back a few more times before she tells you no.
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1858 - has the Remington 700 platform not proved itself over the years?
I'm sure AI is a great option but let's not pretend it's the only option. All the mall ninja's might get confused.
I'm sure AI is a great option but let's not pretend it's the only option. All the mall ninja's might get confused.
Plenty of options out there for a long range precision rife, but I think it best, at least for those of us that are civilians, that we call it what it really is: A long range precision rifle.
As Ramone pointed out, there is such a thing as a sniper rifle, in the hands of a sniper. As a civilian, it is not in our interest to encourage anti-gun crowds by calling a precision target rifle by a name that would imply that one is using it to hunt people. Just food for thought.
As Ramone pointed out, there is such a thing as a sniper rifle, in the hands of a sniper. As a civilian, it is not in our interest to encourage anti-gun crowds by calling a precision target rifle by a name that would imply that one is using it to hunt people. Just food for thought.
USSR
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Seems like some of you guys are implying that Snipers are issued standard rifles just like everybody else, and once it is issued to them, it becomes a sniper rifle. That is clearly not the case. They are issued specialized sniper rifles that are designed for both toughness and high accuracy at long range. So, whether or not this specialized rifle is in the hands of a sniper or not, it is still a sniper rifle. Hence, any rifle purpose-built to these high standards can be labeled a sniper rifle, although I personally prefer the term tactical rifle, such as my FN SPR.
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IIRC, an M40A1 is NOT a 'Sniper' Rifle- it is a 'man portable shoulder fired magazine fed bolt action precision rifle'. That's according to the USMC. I am pretty sure it's not offically refered as a Sniper Rifle anywhere.
I would say that caring what the anti-gunners think and trying to nit pick over nomenclature is playing right into their hands as well.
A rose by any other name....
As far as I am concerned the second ammendment affirms our right to own a rifle that is "only good for shooting people at long range."
We are trying to protect our rights to own any sort of gun we please. We are not protecting our rights to only own the guns that the public concensus thinks we should be allowed to own.
DoubleTapDrew
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Heck yes. If you are a REAL sniper you should be able to make your 1000yd shot while performing a cartwheel.
I like Thunder Ranch's term "Precision Rifle". That best describes what it's for. Your intended target doesn't need to factor into the description.
Don,
did you ever drive a race car on a track? Were you trained as a sniper?
If you could answer both questions with a yes, it would indeed make sense to you. It does to me if I do not take semantics too literally but I guess you know exactly what is meant here, too.
As to perfect sniper rifle? To use where? In Iraque or somehwere in Europe, or even in the Ozarks in Arkansas.
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