So you hear a noise, now what?

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My wife woke me one night, saying she heard something downstairs. I grabbed my flashlight and a revolver, and proceeded to clear the house, using the techniques I learned in the house clearing scenarios in IDPA.

The next day I ordered a Streamlight for one of our Glocks, which I'll grab next time the occasion arises.
 
This property protected by Saiga. Trespassers will be violated.

Most noises are my idiot housemate coming in late and not responding to me yelling to see if it's him. I've racked my Tokarev on more than one occasion in response to that.

I also have a loaded .38 revolver by my bedside and a loaded VEPR .308 in my closet.
 
I have two immediate actions:

#1 get my glasses on my face and a pistol in my hand

#2 get to the top of the steps (all BRs are upstairs) and start listening hard

anything beyond that depends on what happens next.... but if I know someone is in the house, priorities are:

#1 get my wife woken up & armed
#2 confirm location of children (hopefully in their beds asleep)
#3 call police

If I can execute the immediate actions b4 an unwanted visitor gets up our stairs, I feel certain that I have a high probability of a satisfactory outcome (all family members make it through the incident safe and sound).

For our location and circumstances, the greatest risk is shooting my own family member while responding to a false alarm (sleepwalking child, etc...) so the number one priority is to get prepared quickly and then do nothing rashly.
 
Posted by SSN Vet: I have two immediate actions:

#1 get my glasses on my face and a pistol in my hand

#2 get to the top of the steps (all BRs are upstairs) and start listening hard

anything beyond that depends on what happens next.... but if I know someone is in the house, priorities are:

#1 get my wife woken up & armed
#2 confirm location of children (hopefully in their beds asleep)
#3 call police

Can't find fault with that strategy, but I think it can be improved upon.

CCTVs are becoming increasingly less expensive and can give you a much better idea of what is going on than listening.

No, I haven't acquired any yet, but whenever one of these threads starts up, I realize that I should look into it.
 
So you hear a noise, now what?
Roll over and go back to sleep. It is more than likely my adult daughter coming in late or one of my grand kids going to the bathroom. Nothing to be concerned with.
 
Posted by jimmyraythomason: Roll over and go back to sleep. It is more than likely...
That's one strategy. But what if it is the sound of a door that has blown open, or a power line down in the yard, or a furnace fan coming apart, or a downed gutter hitting a window, or something trying to gnaw through the kitchen door? Might something like that that not need attending to?

Not to mention someone other than a family member in the house or trying to get in.

Most of us recommend trying to identify the source of the noise before going back to sleep.
 
Most of us recommend trying to identify the source of the noise before going back to sleep.
I am generally awakened several time during the night....every night. Noises in my house are a very common thing. If I got up and investigated every noise I would be better off sitting up all night. IF it were to be breaking glass or the door being kicked in,THEN I would pick up my Browning BDM and walk downstairs. Otherwise,it's just another night.
 
Posted by jimmyraythomason: IF it were to be breaking glass or the door being kicked in,THEN I would pick up my Browning BDM and walk downstairs.
At which point you would be exposing yourself to possible ambush by the person or persons in the house.

You have the obligation to identify your targets before firing. They are unlikely to take the time to do that.

They can shoot you from more than one position at once.

Your firearm cannot and will not stop bullets.

Members here who have trained in house clearing and those who have had to do it for a living strongly recommend against it, and they state categorically that you should not try it alone.

Members who have participated in force on force exercises using simunitions tell us that the "hunter" almost always loses, regardless of training.

You should always (after getting the family to safety) let the threat come to you.

This subject has been hashed over and over here during the last several years. Use the search function.

If you insist on believing otherwise, try it with airsoft guns. An armed encounter is a poor occasion on which to learn new things.
 
The topic of going looking for an intruder has been the subject of multiple discussions on this board, see: here, here, here, here, here, and here.

A common theme in those threads is that folks with more and better training, and who are more likely to know how to do it safely and effectively, are more likely than others to recognize that solo house clearing is generally a pretty bad idea unless absolutely necessary (such as to round up stray innocents and get them to a place of safety).
 
This subject has been hashed over and over here during the last several years. Use the search function
I wasn't the one asking the question. The question asked was what would I do if I heard a noise at night. I answered it.
 
If you insist on believing otherwise,.... .
I am 60 years old and I have lived in this general area all of those 60 years. In that time I have investigated countless "bumps in the night" and then went back to sleep. I'm not about to get overly paranoid at this late date. It works for me,you do what works for you.
 
Posted by jimmyraythomason: The question asked was what would I do if I heard a noise at night. I answered it.
Indeed you did.

Now, if you will take the time to read the two preceding posts and to go to the links that were kindly provided by Frank Ettin, you will have a basis for a much more prudent answer.
 
My modest little rambler is only 1900sq-foot, with our bedroom taking up 1/3 of one end
of that space,
Sooo.... "clearing" my house is as simple as walking to the end of the hallway,

I am more worried about something getting my chickens...
 
Some houses are noisier than others. I assume we're talking about breaking glass, cracking doorframes and the like. In such a case I hunker down with the long gun, turn on the tactical light and aim at the entrance to my little hole while calling 911. I'm not going to stick my head around the corner. You have one huge advantage--you can prepare your ground before hand and stay there. Why leave the redoubt? Why expose yourself? When the goblins start tossing live grenades into bedrooms I may have to change my tactics. Until then I see no reason to do so.

If I was a bad guy, I think I'd aim behind the light.

It's a problem on gun boards, not so much in real life. I have yet to hear of any incident involving an homeowner getting shot because they have a light. On the other hand, I have read of many incidents where homeowners have shot THE WRONG PERSON because they failed to identify the target. Shooting at shadows is reckless.

"clearing" my house is as simple as walking to the end of the hallway,

That could be the longest walk of your life. Any action that takes you out into the open and forces you to move is going to weaken your position. Any corner, any stairway, any window is a potential death trap. If there was simply a bump in the night then it's probably not worth worrying about either way. But if it's something serious enough to warrant getting out the gun and aiming it, it's serious enough to warrant staying put and calling 911.

If there IS a threat there, you want that threat to either leave you alone or walk into your kill zone. If you're in a good spot with a long gun rested, the target area lit, there's very little hope for any bad guy trying to get in there. But his chances improve enormously if you are distracted and trying to move through darkness.
 
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Posted by jimmyraythomason: I am 60 years old and I have lived in this general area all of those 60 years. In that time I have investigated countless "bumps in the night" and then went back to sleep. I'm not about to get overly paranoid at this late date. It works for me,you do what works for you.
It always works when there's no one there.

People have put a lot of effort into deciding and testing what works best under varying circumstances, and the knowledgeable ones have all come to the same conclusion.

Our purpose here is to share that knowledge with others.

The concept of letting the threat come to the defender is not an obvious strategy for the uninformed. It is not the stuff of screen fiction, and it does not seem heroic or valiant. But it is much wiser, a lot safer, and more likely to lead to success.

I too have gone forth armed to investigate a noise, and it "worked for me" also. There was no one there.

I have gone forth armed on more than one occasion.to confront violent criminal actors whose presence in the house was known. On two of those occasions I had no choice; that sometimes happens. On one of them, however, I had a choice, and I made an unwise one. I knew no better at the time, but I was lucky.

I was lucky in that they were not armed with firearms, they were acting alone, and I knew exactly where they were.

Had there been armed accomplices I might well not be here.

I am wiser now, and I try to gain from the knowledge of others.

Particularly when the stakes are high.

This sums it up very well indeed:

Posted by Cosmoline: If there IS a threat there, you want that threat to either leave you alone or walk into your kill zone. If you're in a good spot with a long gun rested, the target area lit, there's very little hope for any bad guy trying to get in there. But his chances improve enormously if you are distracted and trying to move through darkness.
 
This property protected by Saiga. Trespassers will be violated.

Most noises are my idiot housemate coming in late and not responding to me yelling to see if it's him. I've racked my Tokarev on more than one occasion in response to that.

I also have a loaded .38 revolver by my bedside and a loaded VEPR .308 in my closet.

I very much like your taste sir.


I myself, keep my 5.56 Saiga loaded with 15 rounds and another 15 round magazine to throw in pocket in case anything alarming happens. I keep a loaded J frame on the rack with the Saiga in case I get any unexpected knocks at the door or a situation where it wouldn't be appropriate to investigate with a firearm within sight.

I also keep my Winchester 1200 loaded with 5 slugs to throw to my dad or sister to take and hold up with in case the crap hits the fan. I live in a large house with several opportunities for an intruder to get past someone doing the investigating.

In the event that I'm fairly sure there is someone intruding in my house I will open my bedroom door go prone and watch the top of the stairs while calling the police from my cell.
 
I keep 2 pistols next to me, and a shotgun and rifle within reach, also 3 tacticle lights and one on my handgun. Alarm and dog are on and ready.
What I want to know is after what the heck kinda sounds are YOU hearing that makes you want to keep two pistols, a rifle, and a shotgun next to you?


Hey Buddy, what are you afraid of?


Not a Gosh Darned thing!
 
I very much like your taste sir.


I myself, keep my 5.56 Saiga loaded with 15 rounds and another 15 round magazine to throw in pocket in case anything alarming happens. I keep a loaded J frame on the rack with the Saiga in case I get any unexpected knocks at the door or a situation where it wouldn't be appropriate to investigate with a firearm within sight.

I also keep my Winchester 1200 loaded with 5 slugs to throw to my dad or sister to take and hold up with in case the crap hits the fan. I live in a large house with several opportunities for an intruder to get past someone doing the investigating.

In the event that I'm fairly sure there is someone intruding in my house I will open my bedroom door go prone and watch the top of the stairs while calling the police from my cell.

The revolver is a K-Frame Smith & Wesson M&P 4" barrel from around 1955. Not easily concealed like a J-Frame, but more pleasant to shoot and with a much nicer trigger. For concealment I have a Polish P-64. I should probably load up my SGL-21 AK-47. I've got PRVI Partizan round nose soft points for it, which would mean a horrible day for anything it hits. A .31" exposed lead core should mushroom very nicely.
 
The revolver is a K-Frame Smith & Wesson M&P 4" barrel from around 1955. Not easily concealed like a J-Frame, but more pleasant to shoot and with a much nicer trigger. For concealment I have a Polish P-64. I should probably load up my SGL-21 AK-47. I've got PRVI Partizan round nose soft points for it, which would mean a horrible day for anything it hits. A .31" exposed lead core should mushroom very nicely.


My j-frame is a 1956 Airweight chief's special I inherited from my grandfather.

I also have a p64 that is my carry gun when I'm fortunate enough to be in a free state the honors my Utah permit. However the p64 is too heavy for pajama pockets in the middle of the night lol
 
re: "solo house clearing is generally a pretty bad idea"

One of the problems, as I see it, is that there are MANY things that can occur in the night that are NOT due to an intruder. If you hear a window breaking and movement or voices downstairs, it probably calls for taking up a defensive position and calling 911. But absent obvious signs of an intruder, what do you do when your hear strange noises in the night? Do you call the cops for ALL those situations? It won't take many calls before they've got your number -- literally and figuratively.

So how do you determine WHAT it is? Is it a pet getting into something it shouldn't? Is it the wind blowing through a window that blew something over? Did a bat get into the house? (This has happened to us a few times.) You can't write it off as "probably nothing" and you can't call the cops every time you hear a noise. So it would seem to me that there definitely ARE times when you need to check out the situation in a prudent manner.

Once in the middle of the night (over three decades ago) my wife thought she heard something, went to check on our infant daughter (a mother's first instinct) and when she got to the top of the stairs, she heard what sounded to her like a jacket rustling. Her RAPID return to the bed and the act of her pouncing on me and hollering "There's somebody in the house! There's somebody in the house!" was my first clue that all might not be well. Of course, I had no weapon available -- anywhere. Not even a baseball bat. The best I could come up with was a high intensity lamp about the size of a small soup can. As I headed down the staircase, listening intently, I saw the recycling light illuminated on our water softener (located behind louvered doors), indicating that it was going through its cycle -- which sometimes resulted in the salt shifting. After announcing to my wife that it was just the water softener, and that all was well, I checked out the rest of the main floor. No problems. And just as I started up the stairs, I glanced into the dining room, and noticed that the curtains were draped OUT the window -- through a slit screen. We HAD had a visitor, and the cops confirmed that this had been his common method of entry.

I guess the lessons are: 1) if you don't have a weapon, make sure you have a wife who's a light sleeper and can run fast and make a lot of noise when she hears something.
2) You never know if it's something or if it's nothing. And if the evidence doesn't come down on one side or the other, you're probably going to have to check things out yourself.

Like so many problems, the real difficulty comes when the information available to you is ambiguous.
 
Wikipedia uses the term "disambiguation" fairly often (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation).

Over the years I have found that about 250 pounds of very territorial and protective dogs (two Filas and a Brittany to wake them) contribute a great deal toward the disambiguation of things that go bump in the night. In short, if there's no snarling and screaming, there's nothing to worry about.

But then there's all the snoring... not the Brittany though. She just yips in her sleep occasionally.
 
Posted by Mach.87: You never know if it's something or if it's nothing. And if the evidence doesn't come down on one side or the other, you're probably going to have to check things out yourself.
The problem is, if you take that risk and if it IS "something", things might well go very badly for you.

Might I again suggest mitigating that risk with technology?
 
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