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wow why all the hate with tv shows about guns ???? come on guys most Americans are not total gun nuts. The show was not made for us

Sons of guns did two really cool things 1. They showed NFA toys, I just wished he would have explaned how one buys NFA weapons, and 2. It was a show about GUNS on a major tv channel, that show firearms in a good way, not the normal anti-gun tv
 
Just another "American Chopper" with firearms, and very little of the latter. Too much blithering not enough shooting, 5 rounds total from a suppressed Saiga, 2 rounds from a brass cannon. The next episode had a M4/ shotgun build and a grenade launcher shooting... not grenades but fireworks, I turned off the TV.
 
Better than I expected.....they could do without the daughters conflict drama. Became a show more on technical problem solving, which I like.

While a creative, the "Masterkey" appears to be a solution looking for a problem, annoys me to think there are law enforcement departments that have $24,000 of tax payer money to blow on something like that.

Suppressed shotgun was innovative, wish we could have them in my state.

The $250,000 civil war cannon x-rays showing voids, demonstrated how primitive manufacturing techniques were back then and how much better products are today.
 
I thought it was pretty good. More entertaining than most of the firearms related shows on TV. I left the DVR timer set up, so it passed the first test.

I was a little familiar with Red Jacket since I spend time occasionally on the S-12 forum. I hope the exposure the S-12 is getting right now doesn't get it too much government attention. Notice that both episodes featured them prominently, and I expect future ones to as well. I'd like to have a second one, I wonder if the publicity will affect the price.
 
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> Because the shows are 80% drama, 10% talent and 10% crap.
> But alas without the 80% drama there would be no show.

That's the formula for lots of shows on History / Discovery. AX-men, Top Shot, Sons of Gun, Ice Road Truckers are all the same hot heads w/ different sub-plots. Someone must be watching them; it's just not me.

The ones I like are Sharp Shooters where they do things like challenge pros to shoot an aspirin midair or shoot the rope of a supposed hanging man (i.e a bag of weights). Another on History International is Tales of the Gun where they feature a particular arm. I used to watch shows on Friday eve on The Outdoor Channel until my cable provider did away w/ The Outdoor Channel. I can’t recall the name. They would see how much abuse a firearm can take and still operate.

chuck

PS: Go Steelers
 
Not sure if I like it or not yet. I say give it the first season, see how they do with a camera team around.
 
X-Ray or ultrasound? Ultrasound for sure but they kept saying X-ray most of the time. Clip - magazine.

The "master key" concept confuses me.
It seems that if you shoot the lock off a door with a shotgun and are faced with an assailant inside the room, why not just shoot him with the shotgun? I do not see the point of another gun or a double barrelled monstrosity for room clearing.
 
I wondered about that too, but had a budy of mine (LEO) say that officers normally use very heavy tungston slugs (breaching rounds) for locks, and hinges, they are great for that, but not so good for anything much past powder burn range. I guess its just the right tool for the job.
 
for the Masterkey......im wondering why they chose to use a saiga and not something with a lower profile.......

....or why not just mount a 37/40 mm launcher and make a 12gage insert for it.....could have had that thing done in a few hours.
 
It is entertainment and I'm happy if they don't portray gun owners in a negative light.

The very upright businessman dropping $2500 on a suppressed Siaga shotgun and nearly giggling in glee over it helps paint a very different picture of gun owners than antis would like the public to see. Folks just like everyone else instead of deviants! What a blow to their propaganda efforts.
 
The Saiga-12 is cool but I think a regular ol' Remington 870 would have been more practical for both projects. You can use lighter loads in a pump because you manually cycle the action and they are certainly less bulky for the AR attachment.

The supressed Saiga was pretty cool and looked like alot of fun. Overall, I likes the show and will probably watch it as long as they keep the drama too a minimum. IMHO the 30 minute format seems to help keep it down because they don't need to fill in as much down time. A little social interaction, commentary and banter is fine.

Pawn Stars is probably the best example these type shows. You show the cool stuff like people selling/pawning George Washington's dentures, skip the routine guy hocking a gold chain, throw in a little father/son arguing (which happens at every father/son business), restore something to nice condition a d conclude with the family all getting along at the end of 30 minutes with a few commercials to pay the bills.

This show will probably do okay. Sons of Guns seem to stick to the aforementioned format pretty well. They even throw in some "folksy" saying here and there. My only concerns for it are that it won't have enough mass appeal to be more than a midseason replacement and the name IMHO isn't so great or catchy. Time will tell.
 
Didn't like it at all. 30 minute show consists of 5 minutes of owners daughter yelling at him and rolling her eyes, 10 minutes of people walking around and BSing in the shop, 5 minutes talking about the absolutely exorbitant amount they charge for reinventing the wheel. Maybe 10 minutes of actually talking about guns. Pretty much no time is spent on the actual manufacture of the guns (some of this may be a "don't do this at home" idea, but why even have the show then?)

I think the most egregious exclusions I saw were failing to actually discussing the laws behind some of this stuff. How about informing the audience that not any guy with a shop and machine equipment can just start altering firearms? How about explaining to the audience that you can't just go to a shop and pick up a suppressor?

Edit: to add, they did acknowledge that a shotgun has been mounted under an AR before, but very little about it, then basically acted like they were reinventing the wheel. Also, why the heck do they need a high capacity semi-auto shotgun for a breaching device? It is a 1-4 shot proposition and certainly doesn't require split second follow up shots. I am not well versed in Law Enforcement tactics, but how often do domestic SWAT squads breach a door with a shotgun??? They are supposed to bring suspects in alive if at all possible, using a shotgun to blow a door off its hinges or blow a deadbolt sounds like invitation to collateral casualties.
 
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I watched it, and I enjoyed it for what it was.


Like others have mentioned. The target audience isn't the people who have years worth of gun knowledge. The show, like American Chopper, really doesn't have much depth to it. If it did go into great detail it would turn away even more people because they would have no idea what is actually going on in the show, while a small handful of us would be at home drooling all over our couch.

I could easily see people who don't know jack about guns sitting down and enjoying Sons of Guns. Hell... many people who watch American Chopper have never even ridden on a bike before. Including myself. :)
 
Don't let the "hollywooding "of it fool you, Will and his employees are hardcore gun junkies with much, much more Knowledge than the script allows them to show. Don't doubt his capabilities. He is one of the finest AK builders around bar none.
 
I love Meteorite Men, it has none of the drama from American Chopper etc., yet it is a reality show about a scientific subject that actually teaches its audience about the subject of the show...Meteorites. I was hoping Sons of Guns would be like this. I certainly don't want this to become a vein popping scream fest like American Choppers...that IMO is not good for the RKBA movement.
 
I liked it. Had a couple issues with it but overall was a good concept. What I did take a little offense to was the part about the cannon. IMO, it made him look like a nimrod. Here is saying this cannon may or may not work. Not working means he and everyone around him dies. So when testing the thing they ALL stand around it.

I am sure he knew it was safe and the drama was added for TV sake but it made him look like a little kid with a M-80 putting everyone's lives at risk with much uncertainty as to whether the thing would shoot or explode
 
why the heck do they need a high capacity semi-auto shotgun for a breaching device? It is a 1-4 shot proposition
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The magazine in the Saiga looked to be only a 5-round mag. It takes a pretty large magazine to hold 12ga rounds. Also the breeching rounds 'powder' after impacting so there is little if any collateral damage to worry about.

Why does anybody need anything they buy? The cool factor is enough.

I've corresponded with Will a couple of times regarding a project. He's really knowledgeable about weapons. Remember that Hollywood is going to put a lot on the cutting room floor that's not 'entertaining'.

I don't suspect it will bother him or his business one bit what THR members think of him in general. The vast majority of you will never buy anything from Red jacket anyway.
 
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I liked it. If you want a show about guns and nothing else it would not get on and if it did it would not last. A long running show slipping messages in will be more influential than something no one watches and does not last.
 
I don't suspect it will not bother him or his business one bit what THR members think of him in general. The vast majority of you will never buy anything from Red jacket anyway.
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Very true. While I would love to get my hands on a couple things from the show, my wife would end me if I spent that money. lol. I would like to see an hour by hour graph of hits on hits site before during and after the show. I am sure this is going to do some awesome things for his business.
 
Here is saying this cannon may or may not work. Not working means he and everyone around him dies. So when testing the thing they ALL stand around it.
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Yes I also found that a bit strange. As you said... a cannon either works, or blows up.


Mythbusters get behind blast shield for a bottle rocket firing, and these guys light off a cannon they don't know anything about and stand right next to it.
 
Well I'll say this... it was better than watching American Idol.

Like others, I wasn't impressed with anything they did.

As per the "Masterkey"... Just how dang heavy is that thing? Transferrring weapons has got to be (close to) as fast as wielding a 14 pound carbine.

It'll last on the DVR... For now.

Wyman
 
I loved it. Its better than most other shows on tv right now:barf:. hell combined with Pawn stars I might have some thing to watch now.


I think some folks cant be happy no matter what it is.:rolleyes: That or you just cant be happy unless you are criticizing it. :banghead:
 
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