Stuff in movies/shows that detract from the experience?
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NIGHTLORD40K
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Yes, my favorite Clancy book, even above Red Storm Rising and Red October. I dont think Ill be watching the movie or series.
JR24
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Specifics aside, I've noticed on low budget movies of the past number of years (and even a few high budget ones) and shows the bad CGI muzzle flashes combined with not even the pretense of slide movement kills it for me.
At least get an airsoft that moves the slide in there for me, or use a blank firing gun some of the time.
A few of the close up scenes with obvious non guns and CGI I can live with if there's decent guns mixed in.
At least get an airsoft that moves the slide in there for me, or use a blank firing gun some of the time.
A few of the close up scenes with obvious non guns and CGI I can live with if there's decent guns mixed in.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Well, the cartridge belt is still a stretch, but there were fixed ammunition cylinders available for cap 'n ball revolvers. A delicate operation to reload, but they worked. It's been a while but I had a replica Remington 1858 (?) with a .45 Colt ("Long Colt") cylinder, from where I learned what a pain it was to switch cylinders.
After I disposed of it, I believe the ATF wanted to serialize them and require a 4473 to purchase the fixed ammo cylinder, but I don't know what became of that.
As far as things that spoil movies (and TV and books) for me is that business of assuming that guns have to be registered. "The gun was registered to..."
That really frosts my pumpkin.
Grrrrr...
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JR24
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Heat and Ronin come to mind. Used to be two of my favorites.
Yeah, that made me double take too. Making her black really cranked wokeness up to 10.
Grimm was good, though a bit repetitive if you binge watched it. Speaking of, I don't think I ever finished it and I think it's on Prime right now.
Not a lot of gunplay but I do enjoy Bosch as well. Decent with the guns and a nice slower paced procedural. Though I'm biased because I love the books
JR24
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Depends on the year the movie takes place but they did make some cartridge conversions for old cap n ball guns.
doubleh
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Reading through this makes me wonder why most of you bother to watch something that annoys you so much. Having been watching movies for longer than a lot of you have been alive has enabled me to just gloss over the mistakes and enjoy the story. I see them but don't let them ruin the plot. Books are the same. Plenty of mistakes in them also. By the way, I really enjoy "Seal Team".
Without Remorse was awful. The Seal Team leader didn't do it for me, she screamed wokeness. That's why I like Seal Team so much. Aside from the great acting and good weapons handling the female characters play strong capable characters who are badass in their own way without pushing a woke agenda.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Oh, oh, I almost forgot ! I enjoy McHales' Navy 'cause I like PT boats and Tim Conway, and the Captain Binghamton conning, but the gun handling on that show makes me cringe.
What irks me no end is that Borgnine had a pretty extensive career in the Navy (Gunner's Mate First Class through WWII) and should have known better than to allow that to go on in doing the McHale's Navy schtick.
What irks me no end is that Borgnine had a pretty extensive career in the Navy (Gunner's Mate First Class through WWII) and should have known better than to allow that to go on in doing the McHale's Navy schtick.
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Pat Riot
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That drives me nuts.
The same goes for racking a pump shotgun slide for dramatic effect every time something in the show changes or they move to another room.
In other instances:
One scene in one of my very favorite Westerns, “Silverado”, Kevin Costner shoots two bad guys at the same time, gun in each hand, firing in opposite directions left and right. He gets both bad guys while firing both revolvers at the same time. They both fall dead. Problem is the guns are both pointed at a 45 degree angle toward the floorboards of the walkway only a feet feet from Costner.
I couldn’t believe that this was the best take for this scene.
John Wayne always carries a Winchester 92, when most of his movies are set years before 1892. I love John Wayne “Westerns” so I just accept it, but it is annoying.
While typing this I decided that if I mentioned every irksome thing regarding firearms in movies I would be here all evening.
Another “woke” thing that is annoying is Auto Communista changed the word “firearms” to “for rains” twice on me. Grrrrrrr
.308 Norma
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Ah, man! You gotta watch it - the last season, particularly the last episode is the best!
Of course my wife and I are both certified Grimmsters, so I might be a little biased.
Poper
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Gotcha. I'm not (and never was) a nuke tech or enthusiast, so I do not understand the finer points. Nor did I stay at Holiday Inn Express last night!
Meanwhile, I DID get within 3 feet one when I was in the AF back in the 1970's, or it got within 3 feet of me, I should say, as it rolled past on a NW TC.
A1C me fixing a WSA forklift at age 19: "Hey! Was that a nuclear weapon that just went by with all the streamers hanging on it?"
SP Amn Armed guard with M16 at the ready: "Yes. But you didn't see that."
It's hard to stomach that movie on any level of you've read the book. The only similarity was the name "Clark."
rabid wombat
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A comment similarly made to a bunch of Midshipmen who saw a SR 71 departing Kadena AFB…the “management” did not acknowledge ANY SR 71
.308 Norma
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Well I can't speak for anyone else, but like you, I too enjoy watching some movies and TV shows, and reading some books that have parts in them that annoy me. A recent example is the movie "News of the World" starring Tom Hanks. That part where the girl Hanks is protecting replaces the "birdshot" with dimes in Hanks' shotgun shells (supposedly to make the shotgun more effective at longer range) annoys the heck out of me. But I still think it's a good movie overall, and I enjoy it.
BTW, after watching "News of the World," our youngest daughter (age 43 now) called me from Missoula just to ask me about that scene where the girl replaced the "birdshot" with dimes in Hanks' shotgun shells. I told her what I thought about the scene, but I agreed with her that it's a good movie anyway.
JR24
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Well I can't speak for anyone else, but like you, I too enjoy watching some movies and TV shows, and reading some books that have parts in them that annoy me. A recent example is the movie "News of the World" starring Tom Hanks. That part where the girl Hanks is protecting replaces the "birdshot" with dimes in Hanks' shotgun shells (supposedly to make the shotgun more effective at longer range) annoys the heck out of me. But I still think it's a good movie overall, and I enjoy it.
BTW, after watching "News of the World," our youngest daughter (age 43 now) called me from Missoula just to ask me about that scene where the girl replaced the "birdshot" with dimes in Hanks' shotgun shells. I told her what I thought about the scene, but I agreed with her that it's a good movie anyway.
Agreed. I'm a junky for terrible action movies, Van Damme, Lundgren, Segal, etc despite all the silly things in their films.
rabid wombat
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Movies where a gun / shooter is a key component to the movie being presented as fact….
JFK
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102138/?ref_=nm_knf_t1
JFK
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102138/?ref_=nm_knf_t1
RetiredUSNChief
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To segue into books, I'm about 10 books into a scifi audiobook series on YouTube and I'm about annoyed as heck at some of the tropes that the guy CONTINUES to toss into his story with respect to his character behaviors.
By book 10, the storyline is a few years long. Every time a crisis comes up with the main characters on the bridge of the starship, they ALWAYS end up getting into some kind of discussion/argument/disagreement/moral quandary in the middle of the action when the captain gives orders out. I find myself listening to this and wanting to scream "JUST FIRE THE #$%^ DISTUPTOR CANNON LIKE YOU WERE ORDERED, MORON!"
I tend to be a bit forgiving in the first book or two in a series when these things happen, because the stories typically revolve around a diverse set of characters which come together as a crew (in this case, on an ancient alien starship). But character development over years of association, specially in a military space organization, should move beyond that at some point.
Another series of books I was reading, the author overused the word "instantly". Grated on my nerves after a while.
By book 10, the storyline is a few years long. Every time a crisis comes up with the main characters on the bridge of the starship, they ALWAYS end up getting into some kind of discussion/argument/disagreement/moral quandary in the middle of the action when the captain gives orders out. I find myself listening to this and wanting to scream "JUST FIRE THE #$%^ DISTUPTOR CANNON LIKE YOU WERE ORDERED, MORON!"
I tend to be a bit forgiving in the first book or two in a series when these things happen, because the stories typically revolve around a diverse set of characters which come together as a crew (in this case, on an ancient alien starship). But character development over years of association, specially in a military space organization, should move beyond that at some point.
Another series of books I was reading, the author overused the word "instantly". Grated on my nerves after a while.
CraigC
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Ronin and Heat were two of my favorite movies. DeNiro's off screen foolishness ruined them for me.
RetiredUSNChief
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It's all MST 3000 to me.
One of my brothers and I grew up this way, before MST 3000 came along. For people like me and him, it's part of the entertainment to find all these anomalies and whatnot.
RetiredUSNChief
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Well, let's see...I'm a retired submariner, qualified Reactor Operator.
Crimson Tide could fill a book with eye rollers. A dog on the boat? Oh H*$%'s no! There ain't gonna be some critter on a submarine operationally designed to remain submerged and undetected for three months at a time doing his business who knows how many times a day! And speaking of "boat"...NOBODY on a sub calls a submarine as "ship". It's a "boat" in all common vernacular. Uniform errors, incorrect forms of address, The whole galley fire extinguishing system was BS, as was the ship's response to the casualty. ANY depiction of Sonar screens with a radar sweep. Sound silencing? What the heck is THAT in this movie? Depicting a submarine of an entirely different class as the Crimson Tide. And what's with bilges having hatches?
These are the reasons, to name a few, that my wife doesn't like to watch movies about the Navy with me. Especially about submarines!
Another submarine one that made me cringe...Godzilla 1998. Godzilla dives into the Hudson river...and takes on (I believe two?) Los Angeles class fast attack submarines, which seem to be capable of just flying around all over the place as if the they can maneuver around nimble as cars doing donuts in parking lots or something. Oh yeah...and the deepest part of the Hudson river is about 200 feet and it's nowhere near NYC where all the action is taking place (about 50 miles away). A 33 foot diameter hull with a sail on top of it giving it about 50 or so from keel to top of the sail...yeah, Imma call BS here!
Crimson Tide could fill a book with eye rollers. A dog on the boat? Oh H*$%'s no! There ain't gonna be some critter on a submarine operationally designed to remain submerged and undetected for three months at a time doing his business who knows how many times a day! And speaking of "boat"...NOBODY on a sub calls a submarine as "ship". It's a "boat" in all common vernacular. Uniform errors, incorrect forms of address, The whole galley fire extinguishing system was BS, as was the ship's response to the casualty. ANY depiction of Sonar screens with a radar sweep. Sound silencing? What the heck is THAT in this movie? Depicting a submarine of an entirely different class as the Crimson Tide. And what's with bilges having hatches?
These are the reasons, to name a few, that my wife doesn't like to watch movies about the Navy with me. Especially about submarines!
Another submarine one that made me cringe...Godzilla 1998. Godzilla dives into the Hudson river...and takes on (I believe two?) Los Angeles class fast attack submarines, which seem to be capable of just flying around all over the place as if the they can maneuver around nimble as cars doing donuts in parking lots or something. Oh yeah...and the deepest part of the Hudson river is about 200 feet and it's nowhere near NYC where all the action is taking place (about 50 miles away). A 33 foot diameter hull with a sail on top of it giving it about 50 or so from keel to top of the sail...yeah, Imma call BS here!
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contemporary Western 1971 "Rancho Deluxe"
Henry Beige : [digging a bullet out of a dead steer] If I wasn't so dad-blamed old, I wouldn't know what this is.
John Brown : What is it?
Henry Beige : It's a fifty-caliber bullet!
John Brown : From what kind of gun?
Henry Beige : A Sharps buffalo rifle! This is gettin' downright romantic
Henry Beige : [digging a bullet out of a dead steer] If I wasn't so dad-blamed old, I wouldn't know what this is.
John Brown : What is it?
Henry Beige : It's a fifty-caliber bullet!
John Brown : From what kind of gun?
Henry Beige : A Sharps buffalo rifle! This is gettin' downright romantic
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Duck, You Sucker! (1971) contemporary Western.
The dynamite John hands Juan before the bank raid is several sticks in a bundle, with a single fuse and cap in the center, but when Juan dynamites the vault door, he uses two single sticks, individually fused and capped.
When Sean sets his machine gun back on its tripod after setting the charges, it is loaded with a section of belt with no more than (possibly) fifty cartridges; he is never seen to reload it, but fires many more shots than that. Also, when he stops shooting, it is because the gun has run out of ammunition - we can clearly see the bitter end of the belt go through the action, leaving empty links hanging on the right side, and no belt at all on the left side. But in later shots there is a belt with unfired cartridges visible on that side - though it seems to change length between shots.
When the deserter is taken from the train to be executed along with two others the wall behind him is shot at and damaged on both sides of the deserter. The following close-up shot of the deserter getting shot in the back reveals no damage to the wall.
Anachronisms
Use of a MG42, this machine gun was developed in Germany three decades after the Mexican revolution.
Although the action takes place circa 1914, when Mallory's possessions are rifled by Miranda's family, a flag with the legend "IRA" is pulled out. The IRA was not formed until 1919.
In the train, the automatic pistol that Juan Miranda uses is a Browning GP35. As its names suggests, this model has become available in 1935 (so contemporary of the mentioned MG42).
The dynamite John hands Juan before the bank raid is several sticks in a bundle, with a single fuse and cap in the center, but when Juan dynamites the vault door, he uses two single sticks, individually fused and capped.
When Sean sets his machine gun back on its tripod after setting the charges, it is loaded with a section of belt with no more than (possibly) fifty cartridges; he is never seen to reload it, but fires many more shots than that. Also, when he stops shooting, it is because the gun has run out of ammunition - we can clearly see the bitter end of the belt go through the action, leaving empty links hanging on the right side, and no belt at all on the left side. But in later shots there is a belt with unfired cartridges visible on that side - though it seems to change length between shots.
When the deserter is taken from the train to be executed along with two others the wall behind him is shot at and damaged on both sides of the deserter. The following close-up shot of the deserter getting shot in the back reveals no damage to the wall.
Anachronisms
Use of a MG42, this machine gun was developed in Germany three decades after the Mexican revolution.
Although the action takes place circa 1914, when Mallory's possessions are rifled by Miranda's family, a flag with the legend "IRA" is pulled out. The IRA was not formed until 1919.
In the train, the automatic pistol that Juan Miranda uses is a Browning GP35. As its names suggests, this model has become available in 1935 (so contemporary of the mentioned MG42).
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