Surrendering Your CCW Piece to a LEO

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Over the years I have met many LEO's who don't carry of duty , as a matter of a fact I would bet nationwide less than 30% bother even when required to all the time .

So I ask if caught in a situation where your life wasn't at that moment in danger yet it could be if things change and escape wasn't an option and the guy next to you sees you pull out you CCW weapon and he shows you his badge and asks for your gun so he can intervene .

What would you do ?

Give it to him if you had a backup ? Give it to him regardless of a BU gun ? Laugh at him and tell him to go get his own ?

Are there places where you would be obligated by law to give it to him/her ?
 
I definitely would not had it over. If the suspect dies and they found out the LEO borrowed from you, they'll probably try and take you to court. I would rather have it be a clean shoot, than have my fate in the hands of another. Besides, those LEO that would want to get involved in the situation would be carrying, if not, they just want to get outta dodge like everyone else.
 
Are there places where you would be obligated by law to give it to him/her ?
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AUTHORITY OF PEACE OFFICER TO DISARM (Texas Government Code § 411.207)

In Texas, a peace officer has the right to disarm a CHL. On the other hand, if I'm in a situation so bad that I have drawn my carry weapon, and some stranger in street clothing flashes a badge at me, and asks me for my weapon, I'm going to be asking myself some questions:

1) Is he really a peace officer?
2) If so, why doesn't he have his own weapon?
3) How familiar is he with my make and model of weapon?

:scrutiny:
 
That's a hell of a hypothetical situation you've come up with. Not quite as unlikely to happen as zombie attacks, but close.

You obviously have to surrender your CCW if the officer requests you to do so during a Terry stop or something of the sort, but in a situation where a 3rd party is the aggressor....? I have no idea! Kudos for for your creativity!
 
Another NO here on giving up my weapon.

I would not just give him my weapon so that he could do his job. It is a LEOs responsability to be prepared for such situations where there is a possability he may need a weapon. Just as they don't have an obligation to assist us, we have no obligation to assist them.

However, I would use my CCW weapon myself to come to the aid of the unarmed officer or any other unarmed citizen in need because that is what I feel would be the morally correct (for me) thing to do.
 
I think I'd either shoot the aggressor myself, or be far to busy retreating from the scene to even hear the LEO ask for my gun.

Very hard to imagine a situation where there is a threat so immediate that the LEO needs a gun and I need to draw mine, and then the LEO has time to identify himself, indentify me (as a non-BG), and ask for my weapon. Meanwhile the threat is giving us time do do all that.

Nope, only person who gets to use my carry weapon is me.

I'm not sure if Michigan has a law similar to the above posted from Texas, and am too lazy to look it up. There might very well be one burried in the statues somewhere.

§ 411.207. AUTHORITY OF PEACE OFFICER TO DISARM. A peace
officer who is acting in the lawful discharge of the officer's
official duties may disarm a license holder at any time the officer
reasonably believes it is necessary for the protection of the
license holder, officer, or another individual. The peace officer
shall return the handgun to the license holder before discharging
the license holder from the scene if the officer determines that the
license holder is not a threat to the officer, license holder, or
another individual and if the license holder has not violated any
provision of this subchapter or committed any other violation that
results in the arrest of the license holder.
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To me, this reads as if it were intended for the police responding to a SD incident to say "Okay, give me your gun." and back it up with law. I would be hard pressed to be able to stretch this to a "Officer A borrowing CCW B's handgun to shoot Bad-Guy C."

If the Bad Guy needs shootin', then the CCW holder should just, y'know, shoot`im.
 
A non-uniformed "cop" wants to have my gun when the S is HTF. Pretty easy to get fake badges to begin with, so no, they're on their own. If it was a uniformed cop, they should have their own gun. I look at this a lot like when an unmarked squad car pulls you over. You can stop and wave them to follow you to a safe location before allowing them to get up to your vehicle.
 
Nobody will commandeer my gun. I would be skeptical of any "cop" that needs my gun. I would be weary of any police officer that remembered to bring his badge to the gun fight, but not his gun... In fact, in a gun fight, I can say without a doubt that I would not hand anyone my gun on purpose.
 
Riiiiiiight............

So, the argument, as I remember it, goes this way: I don't need to own, much less carry, a pistol because there are authorized people who can use pistols to protect me.

So when one of those teleporting cops leaves his pistol in his other pants, he wants mine? Idiocy.

Although I could see this playing out more like "Hey civilian, you're not qualified to be here, so lay down your arms NOW!!!!" At which point the BG's get away.
 
I would have to see a valid ID. Anyone in plain cloths that flashes a badge at me Better have the proper ID to back it up or they get the same consideration as any American like myself. If he had the proper ID I would ask for a receipt before handing it over. They have their procedures and I have mine!
 
Hmmm my dream if this ever happens (off duty cop with no weapon and bad guy doing bad things) is that the cop turns to the CCW holder (me) and says "SHOOT HIM FOOL!" :evil:
 
So I ask if caught in a situation where your life wasn't at that moment in danger yet it could be if things change and escape wasn't an option and the guy next to you sees you pull out you CCW weapon and he shows you his badge and asks for your gun so he can intervene.

What would you do ?
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"First rule to being in a gun fight; bring your own damn gun, don't ask for one you can borrow."
 
Police and regular citizens carry for different reasons. If the cop is behind in his game, it is NOT up to ME to surrender MY interests to let him play catch-up.

I carry to protect my family's interests, not to protect society in general. If I surrender my weapon to let a cop protect society, how will I protect my family? (The two objectives are NOT the same thing.)
 
What if he also shows you documentation that he HAS in fact qualified with that particular make and model? :neener:

"Sorry buddy I only brought enough for me, not the whole class"
 
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