Taco Cabana -- San Antonio, TX -- No Guns Sign

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While visiting friends in San Antonio, we stopped by a Taco Cabana on the 1604 Loop. The establishment had a legally enforceable 30.06 sign prohibiting the carrying of a concealed pistol on their property. A separate sign also noted that this was company policy, not an individual franchisee policy.

I found this particularly outrageous in light of the fact that this establishment had no on-site armed guard. The message was clear: "No, you can't bring your icky gun in here, but neither will we pay someone to protect you and your family if a gangbanger/psycho shoots up the place."

For the record, I bought nothing after seeing the sign.

Has anyone else encountered legit 30.06 signs at other TC restaurants in San Antonio or other Texas cities?

If this is a company-wide policy, then TC can kiss my money goodbye.

Perhaps an organized boycott of TC might be in order for TX carriers.
 
Funny, I've never seen a sign in any of their stores in the Lewisville/Denton area.

IIRC, it wasn't too many years ago you could go through the drive-thru and get a frozen margarita in a plastic glass. :what::eek::evil::evil::evil:
 
Ask the owner why he doesn't just post a sign saying "No robberies allowed." That would surely be effective and he wouldn't have to worry about law-abiding folks carrying guns.

How simple life would be if bad guys obeyed the law. And how stupid people are who think they will.

Jim
 
Well,you know how some guys on here get told, "Their house,their rules," when they say ol' Mom and Dad won't let them have a gun? Same thing here. They can set whatever company policy they want to.

Plus Taco Cabana is delicious. I eat there whenever I'm in SA.
 
Funny, I've never seen a sign in any of their stores in the Lewisville/Denton area.
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Same in the Ft Worth area, I don't remember seeing any signs.
Then again I only go to TC in an emergency late night craving situation.
 
I found this particularly outrageous in light of the fact that this establishment had no on-site armed guard.
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I have not figured out why it is that gun folks seem so put out by a business that exercises its rights to control what goes on within its own confines. Often from the postings I have read, gun owners seem to think that as a patron they should either be allowed to violate the rights of the business because of some supposed higher righteousness where their priveledges to carry (in Texas, CHL is a priviledge, regardless of how individual folks want to interpret the 2nd Amendment which has not been held up by SCOTUS as an all inclusive blanket right) or feel that they business should provide them with some form of security. This second part is pretty funny because as a whole, nobody seems to trust the cops to be around to provide help (noting that the cops have no duty to protect individuals) and never trust security guards who seem to be viewed as inattentive and poorly trained slack-jawed yokels. If the policy was in place and security provided, there would still be critiques of what was wrong with the security.

Foreign Dude, TC also does not provide tornado shelters in case a tornado strikes the building, nor will they allow you to dig one while you are there. I don't know about y'all, but in my 43 years in Texas, I have been in more tornados than I have been in robberies.

Everybody has to complain about something. Personally, the outrage I see is that some of y'all are willing to buy the crap TC serves up as "food."

Go ahead, use the search function (button at the top center right of the page) and learn what other members are disgusted with TC for their policy. Maybe y'all can rally 5% of the 2% of Texas CHL holders to boycott TC until the policy is changed.
 
I have not figured out why it is that gun folks seem so put out by a business that exercises its rights to control what goes on within its own confines.
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You hit the nail on the head. As distasteful as I find anti-CCW businesses, it is THEIR business, not gun owners. I bet many here are extremely strong property rights advocates...for themselves. The problem arises when extending that same property right advocacy to those whose espouse ideology they disapprove of.
 
You hit the nail on the head. As distasteful as I find anti-CCW businesses, it is THEIR business, not gun owners. I bet many here are extremely strong property rights advocates...for themselves. The problem arises when extending that same property right advocacy to those whose espouse ideology they disapprove of.
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That may be, but it is not our responsibility to patronize that company. Do pro-life protestors send business to Planned Parenthood? Do labor unions tell their members to buy stuff at Wal-Mart?

It is indeed their business, and if they believe that they can absorb the loss for having such a policy, they are welcome to it. But they certainly don't have the right to expect that we will be all flowers and candy about it.
 
A property owner in the United States has an absolute right to control what goes on within its own confines. Their rights include the ability to suspend or revoke the Constitution as soon as anyone comes onto their property.

Look beyond the narrow interest in guns that concern people here and see the broader implications of what property owners have the right to do. Of course they can deny the Second Amendment to anyone on their property. We as gun owners support that right of property owners because we're in favor of rights, and we are darned good legal analysts too you betcha.

Because we support property owners in their right to deny the Second Amendment to anyone on their property, we also support property owners in their right to deny all other Constitutional protections to anyone.

This is a good thing because property owners have the right to deny the Fourth Amendment also, which means that as soon as you step into Taco Cabana it has the right to search you for valuables and seize them. That increases profitability a lot.

It's also Taco Cabana's right to deny the Thirteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to anyone on its property, which means that it can cut labor costs dramatically. The ability to enslave people who enter on your property is a very important right for property owners to keep in mind. Home owners should be especially alert to the benefits of denying those two amendments to people who knock on their doors. You catch yourself a couple of able bodied cops, for example, and you've got some pretty good workers around the house. And if you suspend the Fourth Amendment too you get to keep their guns, uniforms, and other gear. It's your right as a property owner because property owners can do whatever they want on their property.

Taco Cabana can also deny the Sixteenth Amendment on its property, which frees it from paying taxes. The benefits of this right of property owners are obvious.

Best of all, Taco Cabana can the Fifth, Sixth, and Eight Amendments to everyone on its property because it has the right to do whatever it wants there. So if any customer or employee or slave protests anything, the Taco Cabana manager or enforcer can whip those people something fierce, lock them up without a trial for any amount of time.

The above benefits of being a property owner in this country are ignored by many people who own property because they just don't understand that the rights of property owners are superior to the Constitution. No doubt about it.

So the next time anyone rings your doorbell remember that you can do anything you want to that person--regardless of the Constitution--as long as you own or rent that property, and don't let anyone tell you any different.
 
Of course I don't mind.

I think that it's important for everyone to understand that property owners have rights that allow them to do anything they want within the confines of their property. We need to understand that and to help Americans learn the broad, unfettered rights of property owners. People who don't own property just don't count and it's time they realized it.

Meth labs are very profitable, I understand, so any property owner has the right to operate one on his property. Jeffrey Dahmer was well within his rights as the lessee of his apartment to eat people who visited him there. It's time to lay off wife beaters, by the way, because domestic abuse is all right if it's done on the owner's property. You want a few machine guns? That's okay too as long as you keep them on your property. There's good money to be made in running a chop shop and it's okay if you do it on your property: you gots property owners rights.

Taco Cabana can choose to bar people of color from their restaurants and deny their women women employees and customers the ability to vote in any election because property owners can do anything they want within the confines of their property. It's the American way, by golly.

So it's just wrong for gun owners to object to any property owner's decision that the Second Amendment doesn't apply on his or her property. It doesn't.

Like Judge Roy Bean in the old West, the property's owner is The Law on that property and to all who voluntarily set foot on that property. Hang anyone on your property who disagrees. It's okay if you're the property owner. Don't be concerned about pesky state laws that say otherwise. If the Constitution doesn't apply on your property, no state or local law does either.

I suppose you realize by now that my computers are on my property and, as the owner of that property, I don't want anyone disagreeing with anything I say. It's okay if you type the words at your computer on your property, of course, but don't send them to my computer on my property. The First Amendment stops at my property line. I've been meaning to let the newspapers and television companies know that but I've been kind of busy lately.
 
Interesting Response...

My OP expresses disgust about a company's policy, and it's MY response to those policies that is somehow "wrong". It's as if I'm supposed to accept it and like it -- all in the name of the primacy of "property rights".

Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. I don't like TC's policies regarding concealed carry, I informed other similar-minded folks about that policy via these boards, and I (for one) have no intention of ever spending a dime at TC. Of course, folks are free to do as they wish -- that's the beauty of America.

For the record, if TC had a "Whites Only" company policy, I would be outraged, I would inform others about TC's abominable policy, and I would never spend my money there.
 
Uhh, in case you missed it ...... all that was........:)


Satire (from Latin satura, not from the Greek mythological figure satyr[1]) is a literary genre, chiefly literary and dramatic, in which human or individual vices, follies, abuses, or shortcomings are held up to censure by means of ridicule, derision, burlesque, irony, or other methods, sometimes with an intent to bring about improvement.[2] It is used in graphic arts and performing arts as well. Although satire is usually meant to be humorous, the purpose of satire is not primarily humour but criticism of an event, an individual or a group in a clever manner.

There's another term, taking an argument to it's most extreme ludicrous conclusion, but I can't remember what that's called.

Now go re-read RH's posts :)
 
We spent two nights in Wichita Falls in January of this year travelling back and forth to Houston for a family funeral. We ate at the Taco Cabana the first night, and did not see a 30-06 sign there.

However, as has been stated in this thread, the food wasn't worth a second visit on the return trip. :barf:
 
Of course you're wrong, Foreign Dude. Anyone who owns or leases property is free of any laws except those he creates for people who enter upon that property. That's why we fought the war of independence and it's what America is all about. The founding fathers of this great country cast off the tyrannical yoke of King George III so that all of us could enjoy the tyrannical yokes of business and property owners. This is a country of laws because business and property owners have the right to ignore them on their property.

Businesses have superior rights, rights that are great enough to supercede those of the people, the federal government, and any state. The state of Texas can issue you a concealed weapons permit but its power pales in the face of the right of Taco Cabana to deny its validity. Get a grip on reality: we are talking about businesses and property owners like Taco Cabana, not about some trivial little state or other, so don't mess around. The Taco Cabana law enforcment agency might get irritated at you. It can do whatever it wants on its property.

No joke. Just ask the gun owners who support the right of Taco Cabana to deny them the Second Amendment rights they're fighting for. Gun owners will tell you that Chuck Schumer, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, the Brady Campaign, and others who want to deny them those rights is evil. Many of these guys don't even like the NRA, in part because it says that the Second Amendment applies to businesses and property owners too. But these same gun owners say it's okay for Taco Cabana to ignore the Second Amendment, so it must be true.

Think about it and you'll see that I'm correct. If you still don't agree, perhaps you might like to come to my place for coffee. We own the property and we're short a couple of fieldhands. Wear a gold watch, please.

Oh. I hate to mention this but please remember what I said about disagreeing with me. Your disagreement appeared on my computer screen. It's my computer and it's on my property, and I don't allow that stuff here. Keep it on your screen. And if you have a good cell phone please be sure to bring it when you come for coffee at my place.

TexasRifleman: reductio ad absurdum, which has come to mean "I've lost an absurd amount of weight on this diet and my pants don't fit."
 
This has been discussed on lots of forums. Basically the sign is not compliant. If you call or complain to TC management, they don't care. Lots of us have done that.

So don't go there.

BTW, if the sign is not compliant but you call and complain or write and then get back a notice that it is their policy, I think you have been notified in the other manners stated by the law and the noncompliance doesn't count for you.

In San Antonio, there are Mexican restaurants galore - ignore the bums.
 
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No, No...

... I wasn't directing my comments towards Robert Hairless -- I recognized his commentary as satire.

I was directing my comments at previous posts that advanced an implicit argument that private property rights trump all.

Just a clarification.
 
Well,you know how some guys on here get told, "Their house,their rules," when they say ol' Mom and Dad won't let them have a gun? Same thing here. They can set whatever company policy they want to.
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There is a very fundamental difference between Mom's and Dad's home and Taco Cabana.

Mom and Dad neither make their home available to the public nor invite the public in. Because TC is a public business they can't turn you away because of your race or religion. Why should they be permitted by law to turn you away because you choose to carry a firearm.

Discrimination is Discrimination and as one poster here is want to say, "I don't do business with 2nd Amendment bigots".

Instead of complaining about TC here why not just go in and let the manager know that he's lost a paying customer due to his (or corporate) policy and you're going to do your best to make sure every gun owner on the planet knows about his store's policy.

NOTE: No signs up here on any TC I've been to so I doubt if the no guns sign on the store in San Antonio is due to corporate policy.
 
On the record unfortunately a lot of states have laws like this..Washington state does: their property their rules.

My comment off the record is this...what they don't know don't hurt them...and if someone tries to hold the place at gun point, you shoot and kill that person. You REALLY think any 12 people will convict you? not gonna happen. "I did not see the sign officer" ignorance is not an excuse...to a judge...to a jury....its a different story.

Juror 1: "He didn't see the sign"
Juror 2: "But the sign was there...he carried a gun against the rules of the establishement"
Juror 3: "He saved peoples lives isn't that enough?"
Juror 2: "No! guns are evil...like books! BAN THEM ALL! He should have just smiled and let the robber shoot him!"


I mean...seriously..
 
Robert, nice little satire, but you missed two facts:

(1) The State of Texas has ALREADY encoded into law the fact that any business cam deny you your rights under CCW simply by displaying the proper signs.

(2) SCOTUS has already ruled you do not have the same 1st Amendment rights on private property, as you do on public property.

So yes, you CAN be denied your rights, and it's legal. It may not be proper, but it's legal.

Now PERSONALLY, I think these anti-CCW signs are fertilizer, just like these laws allowing employers to fire you simply by having a gun on their property locked up in your car, even thought you might have a valid CCW. I am no longer the advocate for the free-market I once was. With ENRON and other scandals, outsourcing American jobs, lack of health care for all US citizens, I simply do not trust the American business establishment any more, AT ALL. I personally think it time for some strong re-regulation of all businesses of all sizes in this country. But practically, especially in such a pro-business State as Texas, I realize, it's not going to happen.
 
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