Spotted ANOTHER 30.06 sign.... ***sigh***

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ok first of all sorry i overlooked the fact that people outside of texas may not be familiar with the 30.06 sign. thanks to everyone who clarified.

also, thanks for the website with the sign spottings. when i mentioned the alamo dh thread it was because it made such a lasting impression in my head but i don't know where i got the idea that it was more than one alamo. maybe because someone mentioned in addition to the lake creek location that someone mentioned the downtown location too?

either way, thanks for the information on taco cabana's corporate office, and it is true that a nicely worded letter may do more good that just a boycott. i'll try to get one together. and fyi it is the MLK location, and i will be taking a closer look to see if its compliant or bogus.

i'm not big on their food either but with my nocturnal habits, sometimes i have no choice except what's on their menu... where else is a man to go at 4am in central austin? i'll take suggestions:)
 
I've changed my mind...

Taco Cabana can post all the anti-gun signs that it wants, because I'll never go there anyway. I don't care about the rights of people who do live in that area. I don't care that they are giving their customers a steady diet of anti-2nd amendment propaganda.

It's easy to come up with an excuse for apathy.
 
the whole purpose of a valid sign is to give notice by written communication to a CHLer that it is prohibited to carry there. By ignoring the sign and entering, you have just illegally trespassed by definition.
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We're entering semantics now. I believe the legality, as I and the second amendment define it, in such a situation depends on the intentions of the carrier. A law abiding CHL holder obviously does not pose a threat and even presents a benefit for the business owner.

My question to your statement would be where do we draw the line? When do we take "You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers" and Molon Labe seriously? I'm pretty sure most of the people here would not surrender their firearms to a lib just because they asked. So what are we doing when surrender them to our gloveboxes just to go pick up some tacos? and where is the harm or foul in taking advantage of the wording of a law, if we can use it to further protect what we all believe to be a God given right?

Carrying in such a situation would not be deception, rather capitalism.

Really though, I just wouldn't go in there, period. But if for some reason I had to, Idem
 
If you carry in a business (or their property) past a legal 30.06 sign, and someone calls the police, you're taking a ride and probably losing your license.

If you want to check, ask the guys over at www.texaschlforum.com.

My advice is to do the right thing, obey the law, and leave it outside.
 
If you carry in a business (or their property) past a legal 30.06 sign, and someone calls the police, you're taking a ride and probably losing your license.
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As long as you're not waving your piece around, why would anyone call the cops, plus, there's no possible way the police can PROVE that you saw the sign. There's a thread on here about never talking to the police (excellent video presentation btw) that doesn't mean everyone that watches it will use the knowledge for nefarious purposes.
 
If you do a search for "Taco Cabana", you will find that this subject has been well-discussed.

Shortly after I got my CHL (~3 years ago) I walked into my local TC and noted their sign. Went home and wrote a polite and concise letter to their corporate HQ, received zero reply.

Have not set foot inside one since. I like their food but not their politics. If they don't want my business, I can accomodate that desire.

To those of you who continue to patronise a business like that, I have to ask, why?
 
As long as you're not waving your piece around, why would anyone call the cops, plus, there's no possible way the police can PROVE that you saw the sign. There's a thread on here about never talking to the police (excellent video presentation btw) that doesn't mean everyone that watches it will use the knowledge for nefarious purposes.
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Just because you can, does not mean you should. Especially if you are a licensed to carry a concealed handgun and what you are apparently proposing is against the law.

Try and justify illegal behavior with me all day, but it will get you no where. I will abide by the laws in the country/state/municipality in which I live. You are casually proposing to break the law, which I reject with the most vigorous dissent.
 
As been said before, I have not seen a single TC 30.06 sign that is correct.

The law clearly states one inch letters in height and posted in a manner obvious to the public. Their signs do not have one inch letters and are usually only posted at the front door - the side doors do not have them, making the signs illegal. They can ask you to leave but that's about it.
 
Just came back from our local Taco Cabana, my 10yr old likes the soft tacos, and there was no 30.06 sign. Not even a circle/slash/pistol sign!
This is on 6 south of 529.
Just my .02 worth.

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas
 
As been said before, I have not seen a single TC 30.06 sign that is correct.
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There is one at the entrance of the parking lot where I work in Austin. We have a very thorough general counsel where I work. :(
 
The Taco Cabana we frequent doesn't have the 30.06 sign.

Its a weakness my wife and I share, Sunday morning Breakfast Taco Combo :)

I always carry when we go. Nobody knows, besides y'all now :)

--wally.
 
"Just because you can, does not mean you should. Especially if you are a licensed to carry a concealed handgun and what you are apparently proposing is against the law.

Try and justify illegal behavior with me all day, but it will get you no where. I will abide by the laws in the country/state/municipality in which I live. You are casually proposing to break the law, which I reject with the most vigorous dissent."


I could not agree more!!!! This "going in the side door", "Oh, I didn't see the huge sign" BS is appalling. Grow up!!! Y'all know the laws, respect them. I went in to Billy Bob's Last time I was in Texas, and they had the 51% sign, and ya know what? I left my revolver elsewhere, I didn't carry it in!! You folks who do stupid crap like that do more to harm our cause than any anti out there. FWIW, of course.

SASD209
 
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In Texas, the statute that forbids CHL carriers from carrying a weapon on site even with a license is Texas Penal Code section 30.06. Ironic, I know. But if a premises posts this sign outside of their establishment, you can't carry there. Period. The sign HAS to be done a certain way, tho. They have to reprint the ENTIRE statute, in English AND Spanish, with letters that are a minimum of ONE INCH HIGH, on a HIGH CONTRAST background (black on white, white on black, etc - frosted letters on a glass door don't qualify IMO). The result is a sign that stands about four feet tall and two feet wide. IF the sign isn't done just so, it's not valid. (All of this is written in the statute itself)
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'Nuff said- and concealed means concealed.

BTW- the local TC had had an agreement with the non-profit my wife works for. They had agreed to donate a portion of their profits one night a month. The non-profit has terminated their arrangement as TC has not given them their agreed upon donation for the last couple of months.:(
 
I will abide by the laws in the country/state/municipality in which I live. You are casually proposing to break the law, which I reject with the most vigorous dissent.
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What if the law says you are not allowed to posses firearms, of any sort, would you immediately comply? This is not out of the realm of possibility. I believe in the rule of law, but I am also an American. This country was built by people that would not put up with tyrannical laws. I comply with my laws, but when it's possible I will work the system to maintain as much freedom as I can; not freedom to tear down, but freedom to preserve life.
 
Would you not comply with the laws of your elected government where you live? I'm just asking since you seem to want a spirited discussion about this.
 
Neviander wrote:
I will abide by the laws in the country/state/municipality in which I live. You are casually proposing to break the law, which I reject with the most vigorous dissent.
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What if the law says you are not allowed to posses firearms, of any sort, would you immediately comply?
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Of course. I would comply if the law said I could not possess firearms. The alternative is jail time. If I felt differently, I would just move.

I've lived in Europe for 11 years (as part of our NATO arrangement). I lived without firearms there and survived just fine. But I moved back to Texas about 15 years ago and stayed, mainly because of our Libertarian philosophy here.

Neviander wrote:
I believe in the rule of law, but I am also an American. This country was built by people that would not put up with tyrannical laws. I comply with my laws, but when it's possible I will work the system to maintain as much freedom as I can; not freedom to tear down, but freedom to preserve life.
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My family has been here since the 1830s, originally from the Piney Woods of East Texas. I respect the state of Texas, hold it dear, and appreciate the hell out of what it means to be a Texan. I respect the laws here and I will uphold them. Until I deem the state of Texas to be tyrannical, I will press upon others to uphold Texas' laws. Even if they are not exactly what I agree with, this is my land and I know that we will figure it out eventually but you have to be patient and give it time. I certainly don't see the state of Texas as having tyrannical laws in regards to firearms.

Advocating breaking or ignoring these laws is the highest form of community disservice one could perform, in my opinion. Your statements which advocate law-breaking could actually be construed as conspiracy by a grand jury if evidence warrants, and is therefore a ridiculously stupid thing to say in public. Conspiracy is one of the easiest and flimsiest things to charge and prove against a person (for better or worse). Please explain how Texas is tyrannical and your advocating the breaking of these laws is justified, if you don't mind.

I have my license because I have carefully followed the laws here for many years. I am honestly shocked that you have a CHL since you seem to apparently advocate disregarding for the laws here? How have you made it thus far without a felony or misdemeanor conviction in the last five years since you seem to not care about laws which place limits on an individual's behavior?
 
"No, this is NOT the Student Center Debate Society...

Quit with the nitpicking, hair-splitting, crap. I'm tired of "spirited discussions" that don't do a damn thing for gun rights."

Well, then, don't post. THR is all about discussion which I believe does a lot for our rights. If we can't discuss this here, then where should we? The New York Times? Not likely. I respect your 9,000+ posts and your "elder" status here, but don't try to silence me because you either don't want to hear it or you don't agree with it. We can agree to disagree here and still have a constructive conversation. Back to the thread at hand. :)
 
Interesting.

Many people on these forums are extremely vocal about asserting their rights, but have a cow when a private business chooses to assert theirs (ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY).

I completely agree with letting the business know that you won't be spending any money there because of it, but these folks who are talking about carrying anyway, and stating that they are trampling on "(your) rights" have got it wrong... Again, this is PRIVATE PROPERTY.
 
I don't see the problem.
Even if the sign isn't the correct height and powered by the proper 3.21 Jiggawatts, who cares?
A sign asking you to not carry there is still asking you not to carry there. If you can understand what the sign is asking of you then why not just respect it?
If your mother didn't like you carrying a gun and asked you to leave your Beretta in your car when you visited, wouldn't you do it?
Doesn't seem any different to me when a business does that.

Decide whether you'll continue to patronize that business and be done with it.

And FYI, I am one of those people who will raise hell about an unconstitutional law. I think all laws requiring a permit to carry a firearm are unconstitutional. But I still follow them because getting thrown in jail isn't going to correct the problem. It'll just make me look like a moron AND get what's left of my Second Amendment rights stripped away.
It's far more logical and pragmatic to obey the laws while you're getting them changed.
 
A sign asking you to not carry there is still asking you not to carry there. If you can understand what the sign is asking of you then why not just respect it?
If your mother didn't like you carrying a gun and asked you to leave your Beretta in your car when you visited, wouldn't you do it?
Doesn't seem any different to me when a business does that.
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A business is not my mother.

The law basically says we don't have to 'respect' non-compliant signs.
 
Call the business, ask to speak to the manager, tell him (or her as the case may be) that you are standing outside with a loaded wallet and intending to spend a certain amount of money, either at their place, or at another place that does welcome CHLers. If they say that they still dont want your money, just walk away, maybe send them a copy of the receipt from the business you did frequent to show them what losses they made by that sign just from not letting you in that day. Vote with your wallet, but make sure that the erring company sees the voting results. The bottom line is all that a businees understands, make sure that they realize how their "we welcome robbers" signs affect their bottom line.
 
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