Spotted ANOTHER 30.06 sign.... ***sigh***

[bogie]

What gets me is all the fence sitters, all the children, who see those signs, and get their message, every day.

That message is "We don't want guns here, and we especially don't want people to legally carry them."

That is BAD PR for our side. It reinforces, every day, every time it is seen, a message that we are somehow dangerous.

How's that taco taste?

 

[moooose102]

someday, something very bad will happen there. and they will be praying for a good, honest person with a gun to help them out. but it will not happen, because they have banned it. the only ones showing up with guns will be the bad guys, and eventually, the police, to clean up the aftermath. then, and only then, will they see the error of their ways.

 

[Hawk]

That is BAD PR for our side. It reinforces, every day, every time it is seen, a message that we are somehow dangerous.

Pretty much.

I'll even admit to a degree of chagrin when I found out one a couple miles from me actually had the sign. I had gotten a smidgin complacent as a number of folks had done a good job of getting rid of the signs long before I showed up.

I'll likely never know if their tacos are worth a slap. There's plenty of alternatives that don't display offensive signage. I'll also confess that my efforts to talk to a manager were no better than perfunctory and when I saw who corporate was I lost any enthusiasm I had left. For penance, I stayed clear of the "activism" forum for several months.

Anybody remember the "Club Burger"? I just wasn't prepared to deal with the corporate mindset that I remembered from those days. Shame on me. I'll do better next time. But I'll still not darken their door - that would be what we used to call "aid and comfort to the enemy". IMHO.

Besides, I have to drive past a Mariano's, Beto's and a Don Pablo's to get to the TC - that's a little like bypassing a Korth, a Python and a Nighthawk to get to a Bryco - no motivation to do so, especially as pricing in these cases is roughly equivalent and the TC is the only one with offensive signage.

 

[geojap]

Why is it a guy from Missouri and a guy from California, who uses racial slurs, who are so disgruntled about the way we handle our business?

 

[mr.72]

Mariano's, Beto's and a Don Pablo's to get to the TC

I don't know for sure since I don't live in that area, but at least Don Pablo's is not a competitor of Taco Cabana, and I suspect the others are not either.

Maybe you don't have a use for a relatively authentic Mexican restaurant with a drive-thru where you can get a decent meal and a drink for $5.

So the competition is, what? Taco Bell? Must be a joke.

 

[bogie]

Because what happens in Texas spreads to the rest of the country.

If you want to roll over, and willingly and eagerly surrender your rights, that may be your induhvidual choice, but it -will- affect the rest of the country.

When faced with a "no guns" sign, YOU have choices.

YOU can turn around, and do business with someone who doesn't insult you.

YOU can talk to the management - surprisingly this has worked in more than a few cases. You see, they're not psychic, and it requires active communication to get them to change a policy.

Also, maybe 1% of folks have permits. Maybe another 1% are family members, or folks who just agree.

If this 2% of the population could agree on something, and stick to not doing business with second amendment bigots, they -will- feel a pinch.

Ask any retailer: Does he or she want to voluntarily alienate 1-2% of their customers? Can they afford to lose 1% of their gross, and still make their numbers?

Or...

YOU can spend YOUR money in the place, walking past that insulting sign every time you do so. Does that make you feel like a "real man" - or a hyena?

How's that taco taste?

Every time those signs are seen by fence sitters, they reinforce a message. EVERY time.

I try to avoid California myself...

 

[texas_rebel_1980]

damn just go through the drive thru and shut up already!!!!





but i do chose to spend my money in places that don't display anti-gun signs. i walk past the 'unlicensed blah blah' signs. but the ones who try to pass off a BS sign as a legit 30.06 sign or who have a 30.06 sign, won't see a nickel from me...

 

[Hawk]

I don't know for sure since I don't live in that area, but at least Don Pablo's is not a competitor of Taco Cabana, and I suspect the others are not either.

Mariano's is getting toward upper end - not quite Abuelo's or Blue Mesa but in that general neighborhood. Beto's is family type.

If I want drive-through I'll patronize Taco Bueno.

The offensive signage is a show stopper for me.

 

[geojap]

If you want to roll over, and willingly and eagerly surrender your rights, that may be your induhvidual choice, but it -will- affect the rest of the country.

Why are you saying that? Have you not read everything that we Texas residents have posted for two whole pages? That is insulting to say that we are rolling over and willingly surrendering our rights, especially when we have outlined how we have effectively gotten business owners to reconsider their 30.06 signs, how our governor is pushing for removing CHL restrictions, how the TSRA is very effective at passing beneficial legislation for us every year, and how we contact our representatives all the time over matters like this.

Hell, I've gotten personal replies from Greg Abbott, our state attorney general, when I have written and thanked him with my appreciation for work that he does for us CHLers.

What the hell gives you the right to call all that "rolling over"? I don't know what your problem is, but at minimum you seem have a problem with the fact that property owners here in Texas have very established and respected rights here, just like firearms owners.

 

[bogie]

Every dollar that you willingly and eagerly spend in places which post those signs effectively encourages those signs to be up.

YOU are the property owner of YOUR money, until you willingly and eagerly give it to someone who will use it to promote anti-gun stuff.

How's that taco taste?

 

[mr.72]

Every dollar that you willingly and eagerly spend in places which post those signs effectively encourages those signs to be up.

Yes, but it also encourages all of the rest of the balance of things that company does.

The company does not exist either to put up a sign prohibiting firearms or not to put up such a sign. It's a fast food restaurant! Do they accomplish their basic goal successfully? Is the food there worth buying? Is it basically healthy? Do you like the way it tastes? Is it a good value? Those are the things you support with your dollar when you go there. Really the handgun sign or not is maybe a big priority for people on this forum but in reality, it is a very minor issue when balanced against all of the other things you get for your money in that store.

I understand the political angle and I agree. But that's not the only angle.

 

[bdickens]

As far as training it is a lot more than just having a firearm at your side

Yeah, like shooting IDPA, attending classes at Gunsite, Thunder Ranch, or even your local gun club, or making a trip to the range every couple of weeks. How many LEOs do that? Not many. Most of them only shoot at department-mandated qualifications.

 

[bogie]

You're rationalizing your support of a business that, while it's primary business is selling food, is also insulting you.

Are they FORCING you to buy their food? Are they the only food provider in the region?

How's that taco taste?

Every dollar that you willingly and eagerly spend in places which post those signs effectively encourages those signs to be up. Every dollar which you spend with businesses which DO NOT insult you encourages them to remain in business.

You texans have been getting so het up over open carry - and you don't even have the intestinal fortitude to walk past a taco stand.

 

[nalioth]

and you don't even have the intestinal fortitude to walk past a taco stand.

You've got it mixed up. Our 'taco stands' here are some of the best places to get Mexican food.

Taco Cabana is an attempt to fool Mr. & Mrs. America into thinking they're getting 'authentic mexican food' (it's not).

Oh yeah, no 30.06 signs or any other 'no gun' signs at any of the taquerias I eat at. . . .

. . . . in English or Spanish

 

[springmom]

Um....Bogie.....

As one of those who started a TC thread a couple of years back, I'd like to point out that my husband and I *did* contact the management; not the New York operation, which is not really going to be up on what you're talking about, but the local management. Most of the TC's are franchises, not actual corporate restaurants.

At any rate, we called the guy. Talked to him. He told us that the signs come in the package with all the other various signs that go up in a business. In the case of this area manager, he put them up and meant it. He's an ex-LEO and (no, I'm not bashing, but this is a fact) believes that only cops should even own guns, so he wants NO CHL folks in his restaurants.

However: it is true that he never bothered to make the sign legal. Ex-LEO, and he didn't care enough to comply with the law himself. The print is tiny and it is not even posted where you can easily see it unless you're looking. How seriously should we take a non-compliant 30.06 when the business owner him/herself doesn't take it seriously enough to make sure it's legal?

God knows, enough places DO spend the money or time to put up compliant 30.06's But there are a LOT more (including the Lowe's theater in Spring, the Deerbrook 24 theater at the Deerbrook Mall, for y'all who are up in this area of the Houston area) who, like the local TC manager, just don't bother.

I'm trying to figure out why I should pay attention and obey a non-legal sign. A legal one, yes; and I do, every single time. But the state legislature, while giving private landowners rights in this regard, did also state that the compliant sign, and only the compliant sign "counts" (or verbal notice, which, unfortunately, we DID get in talking with that guy and therefore we comply with).

As for the food, I go there because their black bean tacos are ok for fasting days on the Orthodox Christian calendar. And they really are pretty good, for fast food. But when I go, it's through the drive through. I get what I want, they get what they want (me with my gun not inside).

And I write my legislator

Springmom

 

[Harley Quinn]

Why is it a guy from Missouri and a guy from California, who uses racial slurs, who are so disgruntled about the way we handle our business?

**** "Wetback" is a derogatory term for a person that has immigrated illegally to the United States.****

Granted at one time, it pretty much ment the ones from, south of the border. But not anymore with all the boat folks coming in.
Do you really feel calling someone wet is a racial slur? It is a mention that no matter who they are, they are illegal. No matter how they got wet...

Are you up to the idea that Texas still wants to be a Republic, I have read many feel that way...

I believe since it is part of the USA and what you are talking about affects us all, it is ok to mention you should respect all freedoms. It is one that is hard in Texas I know for I have driven thru it many times and CA's, get treated not real good, to be honest...

Some say they will never go to CA, well you can bet your bippy. I feel the same about Texas.

They will tell you come and visit but then go home we just want your tourism

Driving thru to get to the other side was truly quite an experience last time In fact on the way back I took "the high road" and missed it all together, fine with me...

No Mas for sure.

 

[Huddog]

Being originally from a state which had a similiar statute, my thinking was that I was not going to go into that establishment because I was less safe there than at an establishment where I could have my personal protection. In addition I view those signs as an invitation to evil doers to come on in.

 

[bogie]

Some folks sound like they're from Texas.

And other folks sound like they're from New York City.

New York City?!?!?

Hey, the internet means anyone could be anywhere, or anyone, and in some cases, could be encouraging us to trash our own rights...

 

[ChrisVV]

I ignore them, that is just me though.

 

[springmom]

So Harley is trashing Texas as a state and Bogie wants to imply that people who disagree are....what? really in New York City? Given that people who moderate this site have met me, I think I can prove my bona fides regarding where I live.

This thread is getting personal, and snarky, and ugly, and I for one profoundly hope the moderators shut it down. Good grief, people; we're on the same SIDE on this. But it doesn't mean we have to be in lockstep with one another on our choices of what we do; nor does it mean that if we disagree with you, we're

encouraging us to trash our own rights...

:banghead:

I, and many of us who have posted here, DO contact our legislators. We DO lobby for better laws. We also DO live in a state in which we have it a whole lot better than some others and are glad for it. We are doing what can be done in a state whose legislature meets only for a few months every other year. And where we eat lunch is our own bloody business and none of yours.

Sheesh.

Springmom

 

[TehK1w1]

I agree with Springmom, this thread is not really serving any useful purpose at this point. Taco Cabana is really not worth getting into a namecalling contest over...

 

[Harley Quinn]

LOL,
So you are calling for it to be closed over a little rumble

I agree, time to say freedoms are freedoms for all, now you want to take away a basic freedom of answering another who calls you names

Funny really.

 

[springmom]

Harley, as has been pointed out many times before, this is not a place where "rights" are relevant. This is not a government, it's a computer forum; and it belongs, not to the U.S. Government, but to Oleg. Rights are irrelevant; we keep to the rules and, in general, name calling is considered low road and tends to get threads closed.

We're not about arguing tacos to death. We're about being a, well, High Road forum to which people can come and actually learn. A visitor who logs in and sees name calling over tacos is not likely to see us as being people he/she wants to learn *anything* from (except perhaps, how not to behave).

Springmom

 

[Monkeybear]

+1 for Springmom.

Harley Quinn - No offense meant but your grammar and sentence structure could use a lot of work. You lend a certain weight to your opinions if you give them appearance of being "well thought out" and not just typed "on the fly". I intended to disagree with you on certain points but felt this would help you more in the long run.

How's that taco taste?

It taste the same. I went there this morning. They use bacon in the beans and I am a vegetarian so the potato and egg tacos are all I really want to order. They taste pretty good, are a priced reasonably and I can order them from the drive though on the way to work. Still haven't seen a 30.06 sign at the one I go to but I use the drive through.

I'm trying to figure out why I should pay attention and obey a non-legal sign.

You don't. While this is a topic I vacillate on I basically treat them like any other non-legal sign, as a request. Whether you comply with it is just a personal choice.

On the one hand the owners of the private property I am about to enter have made it clear that they don't want me to carry my concealed firearm on their premises.

On the other hand I like to carry concealed.

Also, maybe 1% of folks have permits.

Last I heard 2% of eligible Texans have CHLs. Not trying to nitpick. I just thought someone my be interested is all.

YOU can spend YOUR money in the place, walking past that insulting sign every time you do so. Does that make you feel like a "real man" - or a hyena?

Sometimes when I am really, really hungry I eat without chewing my food enough, then I kinda feel like a hyena.

I try to avoid California myself...

Pointless and inflammatory.

But I'll still not darken their door - that would be what we used to call "aid and comfort to the enemy". IMHO.

In America you have the right to disagree with the Government, with the laws and with your fellow Americans. People who disagree with us are still people. They are still our countrymen. They are still Americians. They have the same right to dissent, to voice their opinions and see the laws changed that we do. People who disagree with me are not my "enemy". My enemy is the idea that the People should not each have an equal say in the governing of the State, and of the Country.

 

[bogie]

Complacency tastes like taco sauce that was made in New York City, smeared upon a creation of offal.

Yeah - some folks do stuff.

But it seems as of late that more people are content to slide past...