Texas Man Shoots Teen on Porch/Update/Plot Thickens

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That is messed up , the womans husband doesnt sound overly concerned , the guy who did the shooting is gonna have a hard time showing reasonable cause I think .
If your going to use deadly force you better be damn sure that your in the right not just being paranoid .:uhoh:
 
Shooting someone just because they are on your property seems a little crazy to me. However, I won't hesitate if they try to break in.

Boy am I glad we didn't have any overly paranoid neighbors when I was a kid. We (kids) used to cross right in front of the usually open front doors (Philadelphia row homes) all the time. Sometimes we would even stop and stick our heads in to say hello or see how an older neighbor was doing. I wouldn't have made it to 15. Different day and age I guess.
 
"It doesn't change a thing," Sgt. Brandon Negri of the Department of Public Safety said of the toxicology results. "She was not doing anything wrong in terms of her driving."
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Except that she was legally intoxicated on alcohol, plus illegally on meth., plus still had marijuana in her system...but she wasn't doing anything wrong.

Still, he said he {Mr. Robinson} does not question Ms. Nalls' decision to drive the boys to the hospital rather than call 911 and wait for an ambulance.
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He may not question her decision, but then again, she may not have been able to make a proper decision to drive or proper decisions while driving.
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If your going to use deadly force you better be damn sure that your in the right not just being paranoid
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Just what do you think paranoid means?
 
Walking through the yard is one thing. Coming up on the guy's porch is another. What was the kid doing on his porch that made him think he was breaking in? There really isn't enough information here to judge the actions of the homeowner one way or the other.
 
Anybody here buying the line that the wife was on meth and the husband didn't know?

Meth isn't one of those subtle drugs. It really screws people up. Someone should do a tox screen on the husband. In the meantime, consider the BS flag at full staff.
 
The pediatric nurse made a quick decision not to call 911
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Gee, I wonder why? Could it be that she had
a couple of substances that are biologically active in her system
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He said he has no explanation for why methamphetamines and marijuana were found in her system.
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He sounds like he is doing his Sgt. Shultz impression.
 
anyone who doesn´t fire a warning shot in a situation like that is a murderer IMHO.

obviously a negative effect of the castle doctrine.
 
anyone who doesn´t fire a warning shot in a situation like that is a murderer IMHO.
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Very few people will tell you firing a warning shot is a good idea. You might want to rethink that one.
 
In my state, warning shots are illegal.

Just sayin, Mp7. Not all options are open to everyone.
 
anyone who doesn´t fire a warning shot
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Never fire a warning shot. You don't need to start putting holes in things to get your point across. Just yell at them and let 'em know you've got a gun and you're willing to use it.
 
obviously a negative effect of the castle doctrine.
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I'd be willing to bet that the old man who did the shooting in this case never heard of a "castle doctrine".

Not sure why you'd think it's a failing of that law anyway since the shooter is still going to trial.
 
Everyone draws a different line as to when and where they will defend their property. If you go on a mans property you better know where the line is.

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I don't see it as a failing of the castle doctrine law, more as possibly a very poorly thought out decision. The one article does not give enough information to judge the situation by. Was there any history of trespass by this kid before? Had he made threats to the old man?

I think castle doctrine is a good thing in some situations but this ought to provide some food for thought to everybody who was arguing in the thread about the copper thief.
 
So this 74 year old man, shoots from "inside his house" and hits a 15 year running across his yard? Either the boy was incredible unlucky or there's alot more to this story.

Unless the man was terribly paranoid, why was he even aware that there was someone running across his yard? He must have been alarmed by something, or how would even know the boys were there?

And the fact that the mother was legally drunk with drugs in her system doesn't change the facts AGAINST the guy they hit and killed her. Yeah, she was driving illegally, but they are saying it didn't contribute to the crash.

anyone who doesn´t fire a warning shot in a situation like that is a murderer
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Where exactly do you aim for a warning shot? Warning shot are not only possibly illegal, but completely irresponsible. And legalities aside, its easy to judge someone else when you're NOT in their situation.

Isn't it strange that in stories like this, the teenagers are always innocent youths, usually on the way to/from choir practice. What are the chances that if the mother was drunk and had drugs in her system that her kid and his friends also drank and used drugs?

If we have to pick sides based on the few facts available, then I side with the shooter. I feel bad for the families, but a man should be able to live in peace.
 
Isn't it strange that in stories like this, the teenagers are always innocent youths, usually on the way to/from choir practice. What are the chances that if the mother was drunk and had drugs in her system that her kid and his friends also drank and used drugs?
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I remember when this first hit the media went to great lengths to paint the mother as Saint Teresa.

Now, I'm not saying at all that she deserved anything that happened to her but come on.... meth, pot and booze all present?

She wasn't bucking for mom of the year that's for sure.

All along the only person that's been demonized is the shooter.

All of our lives are in MUCH greater danger from a woman driving with pot, meth, and booze in her system than a guy that shoots at people in his back yard but I guarantee the media won't show their outrage over her behavior even now. It will STILL be the fault of the gun.
 
These stories never contain all the facts. The shooter MAY have made a bad decision here if he shot from inside the house to outside the house. If the teen was coming through a window or forcing his way inside, then I would say he was totally justified. Generally speaking, I believe that someone has to be attempting a break in or be inside the house before you can shoot with impunity.

The missing elements of the story here are any past history with the teen. What was the teen doing on the porch? These are all important questions when trying to determine intent and perceived threat levels of the shooter.
 
Seems to me a warning shot, in addition to the other problems already mentioned here, can scarcely fail to violate Rule Four. When firing a warning shot, what is the target, exactly?
 
An over-zealous prosecutor will try to get the home-owner for the woman's death instead of just a firearms charge. A civil case will certainly try that trick.

The woman should not have been driving, period. The husband should not have let her, as he admits she'd had several drinks that evening. Why not call 911? That IS what they are there for.
In fact, odds are better for her if she does. If she were worried about being found out intoxicated and/or under the influence of drugs, she should avoid putting herself out in public. The EMT's would arrive, grab the wounded, and take off, leaving the cops to get a statement. The cop may or may not realize she's under the influence as he takes her statement. Comfortable surroundings, not keyed up from driving, etc, would play into her favor.
 
1.)The story says the kids were checking out a "noisy party".

Maybe that's why the old man was on alert.

2.) Were the kids on the porch, or walking by the porch? There's a difference, and it makes a difference on questioning the old man's decision.

3.) At 15, kids aren't just "curious" about a party, and should know better than to trespass. At 15 there's little thugs running around breaking into houses and cars. The papers try to make them look like innocent "curious" youths, but I doubt it. I really do. Do they have priors? IDK, maybe.

Maybe the old fellow made a bad decision, but we can't/shouldn't judge that until we have the full story.
 
Generally speaking, I believe that someone has to be attempting a break in or be inside the house before you can shoot with impunity.
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Well that gets back to that odd Texas statute that causes all the arguments in these threads.

when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime
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So thats where it gets fuzzy, criminal mischief can be a LOT of stuff.
 
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