THIS is the way to handle a cop!

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It is a law student with a OC getting stopped by a cop and OWNING him!

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P.S. I do NOT wan to start a CC VS. OC debate! :D
 
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Yeah, I'd rather just CC.

Also, that guy is technically correct about pretty much everything, but he is being a jackass. You can rattle off all that without the attitude.
 
I have a feeling you guys would be upset to if you got stopped, you're firearm taken from you, all for doing something LEGAL!
 
If i'm not mistaken. That video has been posted on here a while back.
And it was disscussed that that nitwit purpously created that scenerio
so he could 'pound his own chest'.( why else the camera?)
Policemen just don't need that extra aggravation.
Carried concealed if your gonna carry.

I figgured that if asked you must id yourself to law enforcement(?)

Something tells me that that fool is turn out to be a Democrat later on in life
just so he can force his knowledge of the law on others.

THIS is the way to handle a cop!
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And, i disagree with that. Especialy in todays world.
Comply with the Officer. id yourself, ease his mind and then both go on your way.

I have a feeling you guys would be upset to if you got stopped, you're firearm taken from you, all for doing something LEGAL!
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I'm not one of those guys. The public has a right to be safe and protected also.
I would comply and clear up any doubts.
But then i wouldn't be carrying like that to begin with.
 
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josiewales said:
I have a feeling you guys would be upset to if you got stopped, you're firearm taken from you, all for doing something LEGAL!
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I would be annoyed if I got stopped just for open carrying, but not as much if they got calls about it. They're doing their job. Even if I was annoyed, I wouldn't immediately jump in with a camera and an attitude.
 
read the posts to this point, then watched the vid expecting a real punk student....not so much

both handled the situation ok imo
 
OC has been legal in ME since forever....

Portland, ME cops have a very bad rep. Many excessive force investigations...

I think the entire event was a set up by the law student guy...

But my hats off to him for teaching the police officer what the law is.
 
Just a simple case of butting heads. The guy open-carrying wanted something and the cops wanted something else. In the end would the outcome have been any different if the guy had simply complied? No. It probably would have saved some time if he'd have just let the cop run his license. But alas, he was trying to prove a point, which is certainly within his rights.

The thing is, neither party is really wrong. The police have an obligation to answer calls about people carrying firearms, while they're there it certainly makes sense for them to talk to the guy carrying it just to get a handle on the situation, as long as it does not obstruct that individual. In the end this all would have been avoided if people would learn what is legal and what is not before calling the police about it.
 
Carried concealed if your gonna carry.
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If you have a right you must practice this right. PA may require a permit to do this, but other parts of the country still has freedom.

I figgured that if asked you must id yourself to law enforcement(?)
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You figured wrong.

The public has a right to be safe and protected also.
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The women and children! Come on. He was carrying a gun in a legal manner. The cop needed the education.
 
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The part that got me was "It's is common practice". And the student is correct. Common practice does not supecede legality. But my hats off to the officer. He handled that well.

Instead, why did the guy not just introduce himself, offer his ID, and then make a positive interaction with the officer?

Was the officer justified? I think he was since there had been calls made to investigate the situation. But also, the officer should have recognized that if there was no aggression when he approached the student, that the calls were more than likely unfounded fear. BUT, what would have happened had he not investigated, and that student had walked in a coffee shop and unloaded on the patrons? Can you say lawsuit?

This is exactly why I always make friends with LEO's. They stop me once for whatever reason. I almost never get stopped again by that officer. And if I do, it turns into a social situation as soon as they recognize its me. Not a detainment.

When I was 18 had some guys from another town try to start a fight with our town. The cops got called. When they showed up, I instantly knew one of the officers. They walked straight to me and I to them and told them what happened. Our group was let go (over 75 of us) and the guys from the other town (about 15) weren't so lucky. The officer that i knew told our group "If he (me) wasn't here, you would all be getting tickets for unlawful gathering. So you might want to thank him."

When you have a positive interaction with LE, they remember it. They deal with so much negativity from people that they really appreciate positive interaction.
 
The law is a 2 way street or a double edged sword. The guy handled the officer good enough, a little snippy but OK.

Someone posted above that they should just comply to ease their mind....well that may be politically correct but not entirely lawful, on the LEs behalf.

Question though, does anyone OC and not have a video camera or super phone?
 
Not to hijack the thread here, but this is an EXCELLENT example of an extremely professional LEO conducting and open carry stop. Even with a snippy OC'er wanting to throw out lawyer jargon.

And yeah, clearly many of the videos out there are of people who fully expect to be stopped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj9wahCTz08
 
I fail to see how the how was 'extremely professional' when he illegally took that guys gun?

I would be livid.

The correct response to the statement 'Papers please' is 'pound sand'
 
is it all really worth the hassle? to carry an MP5 down the street, looking for trouble from the police or any other person? I mean i fully support OC, but for God's sake. does this person have nothing better to do with his time than strut around downtown with an (extremely valuable) MP5? Looking for trouble like that, and recording it, for all of the internet to see, hurts our reputation and public opinion as gun owners. Some may see it as a right to be excersized, but the general public just views him as a nutjob. a pistol is much more practical anyways. Living in a free state, police shouldn't stop you for just OCing, but there is a line within reason I think. I'm not about to go walking up and down main street with my AR. maybe my pistol, but not my AR. the whole point of OC is to be somewhat discreet, but still enough to deter. IMO. It should be seen as just another tool next to your leatherman, or pocketknife. maybe I'm wrong, but if I am, someone please school me.
 
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Also, that guy is technically correct about pretty much everything, but he is being a jackass. You can rattle off all that without the attitude.
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The attitude is a natural reaction to being illegally harassed by somebody who is supposed to be upholding the law instead of breaking it. If open carry is legal, and it is in this case, and the cop knows it, as he does in this case, then he should not have detained this citizen and confiscated, albeit temporarily, his weapon (I agree with this precaution when there is a valid reason to detain, but there isn't in this case). The guy wasn't threatening anybody or harming anybody with it. I don't see why it should be perceived as a threat, either, as those who intend to do harm would typically conceal their weapons until they decide to use them anyway (surprise! :eek:).

By the way, that last thing I mentioned is interesting when applied to certain arguments that are made against concealed carry. Some people say that they wouldn't want to live in a country where anybody could be carrying a firearm at any time, but that's silly because it's already true, always has been, and in some areas (where concealed carry is still prohibited) is true only for the bad guys! :rolleyes: This is an instance of major, massive denial, no doubt, and this is the basis of all useless laws--gun control in general--that really only restrict those who abide by the law anyway.
 
Taking the firearm temporarily and giving it back after determining that there was no threat isn't illegal. Look through the threads in legal about it.
 
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