Art Eatman
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Again, knowing only what the newsie article said, I wonder what Officer Krupke--'scuse me, Detective Caudill--would think if the kid were writing a parallel to "The Turner Diaries"?
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Update on boy charged for felony Zombie story
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duck hunt
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I'm sure he meant "No Limit Soldiers," which is what fans of the recording artists on the No Limit recording label call themselves. My students used to write "No Limit Soldiers" on everything from their notebooks to their tennis shoes. If I'd had them locked up every time they did it -- oh, wait, they were already locked up because I taught in corrections. But my point is, please.
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Wagging the dog...
This whole thing reminds me of something that happened a few years back here in Kansas. An 18 year old high school senior was unsuccessfully tried for the "C" word - conspiracy- and a few other sinister sounding things. What I see similar here is that it appears the prosecutors are trying this case in the liberal media. Why is so much (non)"information" getting out? It appears the prosecutors are trying to shore up a weak case or worse make a case where none exists.
The high school kid here was eventually aquitted; much to the dismay of the DA, the school resource officer , and the press. In that particular case, what the teen actually did was 1) possess a legal "assault weapon"[pre-ban 10-22 w/ folder] at home 2) place dry ice into 2-liter bottles causing them to burst at home 3) possessed a black trench coat at home 4) possessed the same book as the columbine killers at home 5) break up with his psycho girlfriend who told the school resource officer all manner of BS about him
The DA was running for re-election and the school resource officer was running for sherriff . You figure out why it all turned out that way.
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This whole thing reminds me of something that happened a few years back here in Kansas. An 18 year old high school senior was unsuccessfully tried for the "C" word - conspiracy- and a few other sinister sounding things. What I see similar here is that it appears the prosecutors are trying this case in the liberal media. Why is so much (non)"information" getting out? It appears the prosecutors are trying to shore up a weak case or worse make a case where none exists.
The high school kid here was eventually aquitted; much to the dismay of the DA, the school resource officer
, and the press. In that particular case, what the teen actually did was 1) possess a legal "assault weapon"[pre-ban 10-22 w/ folder] at home 2) place dry ice into 2-liter bottles causing them to burst at home 3) possessed a black trench coat at home 4) possessed the same book as the columbine killers at home 5) break up with his psycho girlfriend who told the school resource officer all manner of BS about himThe DA was running for re-election and the school resource officer was running for sherriff
. You figure out why it all turned out that way. I.C.
jefnvk
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I just want to know what you all would be saying had no one taken action on the threats, and weeks later there had been a massive school shooting.
If specific people and places are mentioned, I would think that should be taken as a credible threat. If not, then someone is going to pay in the end. Someone must have read the story and thought there was a serious threat to the school in it. Either way, I am going with LawDog.
BTW, he has lied about it being a Zombie story, if a militia group is shooting up a school, killing people. Why should I believe him?
If specific people and places are mentioned, I would think that should be taken as a credible threat. If not, then someone is going to pay in the end. Someone must have read the story and thought there was a serious threat to the school in it. Either way, I am going with LawDog.
BTW, he has lied about it being a Zombie story, if a militia group is shooting up a school, killing people. Why should I believe him?
duck hunt
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Jefnvk, you sound like the anti-gun folks who think we should all be disarmed because we might use our guns to shoot someone.
The last time I checked, writing stories was still legal. Also the last time I checked, teenagers and violent stories about getting revenge on people who bugged them went together like chocolate and peanut butter. I used to amuse my friends in school with a series of stories called "Anne's Busy Day," in which I systematically offed everyone who had been getting on our nerves lately. In one installment, I poisoned them, one was a Dirty Harry theme, one a Spaghetti western (can you tell I was a Clint Eastwood fan?). I killed teachers, bullies, local merchants who gave us a hard time, popular girls, ex-boyfriends, at one point I even blew up the school for a finale.
Did I ever actually do any harm to anyone at my school? No. I did go on to publish two books, though, so go figure. I'm glad creative writing wasn't illegal yet when I was in school.
The last time I checked, writing stories was still legal. Also the last time I checked, teenagers and violent stories about getting revenge on people who bugged them went together like chocolate and peanut butter. I used to amuse my friends in school with a series of stories called "Anne's Busy Day," in which I systematically offed everyone who had been getting on our nerves lately. In one installment, I poisoned them, one was a Dirty Harry theme, one a Spaghetti western (can you tell I was a Clint Eastwood fan?). I killed teachers, bullies, local merchants who gave us a hard time, popular girls, ex-boyfriends, at one point I even blew up the school for a finale.
Did I ever actually do any harm to anyone at my school? No. I did go on to publish two books, though, so go figure. I'm glad creative writing wasn't illegal yet when I was in school.
Some people here are not reading the whole thing. He said that it was just a zombie story. The police say they it's wasn't, that it was about shooting up the school. They also have evidence that he was talking to people.
Neither of these would be a problem. Writing a story, any story, shouldn't be punishable, save for certain themes that are not in good taste(this isn't included in that category). Hooking up with others wouldn't be a problem if it was legit. Duck Hunt mentioned one scenario where it wouldn't be a problem.
The grandparents obviously thought that it was more than just a story, and the cops thought that the contacts were more than just hooking up with fans of a band or something. A light investigation to make sure everything's right, this shouldn't even get to a grand jury, if the kid's right.
I wanna see that story. That would tell all. You think releasing it would bias jurors? If so, then keep it sealed, but I don't really see that here.
Neither of these would be a problem. Writing a story, any story, shouldn't be punishable, save for certain themes that are not in good taste(this isn't included in that category). Hooking up with others wouldn't be a problem if it was legit. Duck Hunt mentioned one scenario where it wouldn't be a problem.
The grandparents obviously thought that it was more than just a story, and the cops thought that the contacts were more than just hooking up with fans of a band or something. A light investigation to make sure everything's right, this shouldn't even get to a grand jury, if the kid's right.
I wanna see that story. That would tell all. You think releasing it would bias jurors? If so, then keep it sealed, but I don't really see that here.
Art Eatman
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jefnvk, I don't think folks here object to checking out just what is the deal. The problem is that the amount of information released doesn't allow one to really know who's telling what about which, insofar as truth or over-reaction or whatever.
I think scepticism comes naturally to us who resent a world where a kid's in trouble for pointing a finger and saying, "Bang!", or for drawing a picture of a pistol. A world where folks think a Medal of Honor's "sharp points" could be a weapon in the hands of an 83-year-old cripple.
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I think scepticism comes naturally to us who resent a world where a kid's in trouble for pointing a finger and saying, "Bang!", or for drawing a picture of a pistol. A world where folks think a Medal of Honor's "sharp points" could be a weapon in the hands of an 83-year-old cripple.
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jefnvk
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I completely agree that no one can really know what is going on. My point was that one side is saying there are specific threats against a known location with weapons, who are talking with a suspect that says he has been getting cash and weapons by breaking into houses and is friends/classmates/has ties with the author. To me that seems like a credible threat.
If I write about blowing up a school with a militia group, and they have this kid in custody saying he was buying truck loads of fertilizer for me, I would sure hope they are checking me out.
+1. Understood completely.
Sorry I sound that way. If it were simply a zombie story, I would have a problem. Specific times and specific threats against named people I have more of a problem with, but I still don't necessairialy think it warrants arrests. Maybe further investigation, probably not.
But having a story that names specifics, along with having a person in custody saying that they are breaking in houses for guns and money and saying they have ties to this person, that crosses the line. Sorry if that seems like a credible threat to me, but it does.
If this is a screw up, he will be let go, and I hope the people involved get some punishment. If it isn't, then the police are doing what they are supposed to.
Not enough information yet -- kinda makes me wonder if the case is a little weak -- if it was strong I would expect that the DA and cops would have leaked a great deal more information to the press.
Anyway, I am with several others on this thread -- I thought that in order to be a "threat" it had to be delivered? How can anything I write, not matter how bizarre, be a threat if I don't convey it to some target???????
Anyway, I am with several others on this thread -- I thought that in order to be a "threat" it had to be delivered? How can anything I write, not matter how bizarre, be a threat if I don't convey it to some target???????
coylh
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Sometimes a chart is useful:
1. Police ignore kid -- It's a harmless story
2. Police ignore kid -- Kid puts plan into action, shoots many
3. Police arrests kid -- It's a harmless story
4. Police arrests kid -- Plan is thwarted
As you can see, Police doesn't lose job except under circumstance #2. Pascal is alive and well.
1. Police ignore kid -- It's a harmless story
2. Police ignore kid -- Kid puts plan into action, shoots many
3. Police arrests kid -- It's a harmless story
4. Police arrests kid -- Plan is thwarted
As you can see, Police doesn't lose job except under circumstance #2. Pascal is alive and well.
WvaBill
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I should stay quiet.
If the boy is innocent, that is why we have an independent judiciary.
If the boy is disturbed or troubled, indicated by the involvement of his grandparents, we are better off debating the 1st Amend issues than defending the assaults on the @ amend that may ensue.
And less philosophically, it might just save some innocent lives.
This is way different than the raid in the Goose Creek school system.
If the boy is innocent, that is why we have an independent judiciary.
If the boy is disturbed or troubled, indicated by the involvement of his grandparents, we are better off debating the 1st Amend issues than defending the assaults on the @ amend that may ensue.
And less philosophically, it might just save some innocent lives.
This is way different than the raid in the Goose Creek school system.
Here's a Intresting Tidbit of info.
The "Millitary Group" the kid was supposedly trying to get people to join is in fact an "Online Game Clan"
record of it's existance can be found here allthough the website has been down since this load of bs started.
so, are game clans illegal now or something? :banghead:
The "Millitary Group" the kid was supposedly trying to get people to join is in fact an "Online Game Clan"
record of it's existance can be found here allthough the website has been down since this load of bs started.
so, are game clans illegal now or something? :banghead:
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