What do you carry when you can't carry?

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I have carried a knife every day since I was 12. Yes, even to school and at my wedding. I went on a one day trip to California and planned to not carry one, but I broke down and bought a cheap POS at the gas station- which I threw away at the airport. On the occasions that I can't take it somewhere (airport, rock concert) I have a steel ballpoint pen.

Right now it is a carbon fiber Walter Henry. The backup is a CRKT neck knife.
 
It is quite sad an unfortunate that the govt. makes unconstitutional laws "attempting" to disarm the rightful citizens. I carry regardless, under the Constitution, and the 2nd Amendment thereof; the govt have no Constitutional authority or power to control or regulate guns or firearms, nor any implement you choose to carry for your defense. No citizen is bound to obey and unconstitutional law.

It is imperative that the people of America tell the servant govt where to go, and what to do. I use to carry a taser ( allowed by law in Maryland ) however I was arrested for it!? wow TYRANT ALERT! so I was forced to carry a gun now.

Far as I am concerned, when a govt person tries to disarm you when your committing no crime... question them on their oath to the Constitution, remind them it is their duty to uphold the Constitution, not to violate it.... i.e. your 2nd Amendment right to carry.

your carry permit is your birth right as an American, you do not have to pay the govts money for a permit in exchange for your already born right.

under U.S. Code. Title 18 - 242 it makes it a crime for "any" govt person, including law enforcement to deprive you of your Constitutional rights.

also under legal definition, ARMS is "anything" a person carries for their defense. not limited to "firearms" or "guns"
 
Olight T10 Q5 LED light
Kimber LifeAct pepper spray (2 shots)
Case Sodbuster Jr (PC and friendly and certainly a "pocket knife")
Screwdriver (gotta change them radiator hoses mayne)
Shillelagh (hurt my ankle and hip on the right side, lifting weights)

Edit, cell phone too. Underrated! If at all possible I'm going to get a call in to 911 before I am engaged in any altercations.

In a true "no weapons" place I'd be pretty comfortable with an XL bandana and a flashlight or cell phone. That makes a wicked impact weapon. Legal? Not sure, but I know it's not illegal to have a bandana and cell phone just about anywhere, and any reasonable person might think of that to defend himself if urgent need arose...it doesn't suggest premeditation simply to have a bandana and a cell phone, and if someone drives you to use them as weapons that makes him look pretty bad.
 
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I have repeatedly suggested a full water bottle as a defensive tool. Not only do we need water to live, you can take it anywhere (except perhaps on airplanes :rolleyes:), and have a perfectly legitimate reason for carrying it.

Some people have thought that either a regular water bottle could not be used, or that such a water bottle would break after a single strike. There have been suggestions of nifty bottles made from other materials, or even of freezing (!) water bottles.

I have always said you don't need any of that. I really wanted to bang the hell out of a cinder block. Since none were handy, I executed three hard strikes on a solid piece of firewood. There was a mild indentation on the bottom of the bottle.

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Pic 4 is awfully funny, good illustration of the trusty H2O bottle though.

Caption: "I'll see your hardwood Ayoob, and raise you one waterbottle...all in." :neener:
 
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What do you carry when you can't carry?

I live in Nazi Jersey. Business sometimes takes me to areas where the cops only go in two car patrols. I do what I need to do when I need to do it.
 
In florida it was a pistol grip 870 loaded with frangible ammo two slugs first and then buckshot behind those, it was behind the seat of my pickup at all times. Other than that just a good fixed blade or balisong. Now just moved to Portland, OR and not to sure about the laws yet. ???
 
Welcome to The High Road, Harlan. There are some knowledgeable folks here from Portland and elsewhere in Oregon; I imagine that they can fill you in on what they know.

You can also use the Search function (there's a button at the top of each THR page) to find previous threads where folks have posted details that you might find useful.

Again, welcome. :)
 
Just Remember any knife "designed to stab/wound/damage" will usually get backlash in court. Used to carry a ti-lite, loved the knife, pocket catch, blade was narrow, great for cardboard. But if I ever had to use it on someone for self defense, and the guy made it out alive (might happen unless he threatened my wife....) But all I can imagine in court is them showing a cold steel video of my knife.... not really good from a juries view.

I know carry spyderco, Have a few of the byrd line. Simpler looking knives, cheap to buy. And if modded to have a pocket catch, a knife out of the pocket into a hand open in .5 second is a bit scary to anyone. Not scary in court when " I have to cut a lot of cardboard boxes with one hand."

I can't get my ccw yet, (have to be 23 in missouri....) So I usually carry a dirty hard use knife (byrd, kabar folder, sometimes a fixed blade mora) in my top right pocket. And eternally in cargo pants I carry an always razor sharp crkt m21 3", for cutting food mostly. Because cleaning tape off a blade, isn't fun when you are hungry.

I will second some ideas though. A good pen. I like the big sharpies for non weapon weapons. I found at while bored that a bamboo chopstick can tear the top layer from plywood. And you can carry a set of chopsticks everywhere.

also: I had an old nokia "brick" cellphone, that I wanted to break... because... well no reason. I found out they are indestructible. I beat it against some concrete, I stood one foot one each half, while it bent over a dowel rod. Eventually decided to cut it in half, with a kukri. I can get 10 inches into half inch plywood with a kukri, I got through the outer plastic and keypad of this phone. I have no doubts that the newer non-flip nokias are just as strong.
 
In Missouri since I was sixteen had a rifle and a shotgun in the back window, and carried a six inch fixed blade most of the time. Never had any worries untill the stopped allowing the guns in the school parking lot. I don't know how many times I lended my balisong to teachers asking if anyone had a pocket knife. I found in that state as long as your not trying to be sneaky about it the police are very accepting.
 
Guys,

The whole intent of this thread was what could you have when firearms weren't an option- and the OP specifically said "no knives".

J
 
Same thing I carry when I can carry. I'd rather explain my behavior to a judge than to St. Peter.

John
 
Well, I always carry a knife. I know it says no knives, but I have been around knives all my life, I'm comfortable with them. If I couldn't carry a knife with me, I could also carry some pepper spray, a yawara type device (for delivering more effective blows) such as a roll of quarters, a fat sharpie or the cold steel sharkie, or if you have to just find a dowel and whittle the end to a point for poking. When all else fails, start throwing rocks, punches, or people.
 
- and the OP specifically said "no knives".

Most of the time I spend de facto disarmed is on the ambulance - at which point I carry a cop :)

OK, ok, so they give me a radio and they hurry if I sound distraught.

I carry pens. And a flashlight. And EMT shears. Either of those first two items could be carried into a courthouse, on a plane..

I have much faith in writing implements as one-shot weapons. I always have an extra pen. Or two. First, in case you lose your primary pen. Second, you may have to run away after using one. Capeesh? :)
 
Most of the time I spend de facto disarmed is on the ambulance - at which point I carry a cop

OK, ok, so they give me a radio and they hurry if I sound distraught.

I carry pens. And a flashlight. And EMT shears. Either of those first two items could be carried into a courthouse, on a plane..

You forget, as an EMT you can administer "oxygen therapy" as well as supplemental iron via osmosis. Or if the portable 2000mL O2 tank is empty, just the iron supplement.

On a more serious note, there are a number of common, or not so common but sensible non-weapons that can be used offensively or defensively and people often have them.

A good sturdy belt can be used to either attack with like a whip, or used to block and entangle an attacker. It could also just be wrapped around a fist to make punching that much worse.

Another item it a good carabiner, I personally prefer the larger, locking climbing carabiners. Great thing to have keys strung from, and can also help protect the hand when blocking or punching. Nevermind what can be done with keys hanging from it.

-Cheers
 
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