What do you consider "A lot of rounds"

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I get this email today about a gun i am selling (Didn't happen here).

hi my name is XXXX and i have been looking at all kinds of springfields. it seems like alot of rounds have been down the barrel but i know how reliable they are. if you are willing to come down on the price, BLAH BLAH BLAH.
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The Pistol in question is a Springfield XD-45. It has 1,320 exactly down the pipe (I keep notes and store on an excel spreadsheet).

So, what is a lot to you? IMO 500 is the bare minimum i would even start to trust the pistol with my life on. 1,000 rds is where i feel most triggers show their true colors.

With modern pistols going tens of thousands of rounds before real wear and tare, who is telling these people 1k is a lot?

M9
The Army was doing unrelated barrel testing on current production civilian model 92SB pistols and military model M9 pistols and ran into the same slide separation issue. They fired 3 M9 pistols 10,000 times and inspected the weapons with the MPI process for evidence of slide cracks. They discovered that one of the weapons had a cracked slide. The Army then decided to fire all of the weapons until the slides failed. Failure occurred at round number 23,310 on one weapon, 30,083 on another, and 30,545 on the last weapon. (NSIAD-88-213)
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M&P
For those keeping track, the gun fired 62,333 rounds beginning on 22-Apr-08 and ending on 5-Dec-08, a total of 228 days, or 273.4 rounds per day.
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HK 45
We passed the 30,000 mark this past week and still not a blip on the chart. Forty-seven of the When Will It Stop contestants have already fallen by the wayside.

The pistol received its (belated) 25,000-round scheduled maintenance, which involved replacing:
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XD
Conclusion
Damned impressive. Of course the Glock (and other guns, as well) should be able to handle this kind of abuse. The point of this test wasn't to diminish any existing brand but to get a picture of the capabilities of the XD, which is a relatively new product. I completed this test with a great deal of admiration for this handgun. So much so, in fact, that it is now my nightstand gun. More than 20,000 rounds later, with no failures to feed or fire and hardly any wear to the gun's finish, I have no trouble whatsoever betting my safety on its performance.
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Glock
Well, I just couldn't leave it alone. My curiosity about just how long the gun could survive continued to be intense. So, from my stores, I broke out an additional 25.000 rounds of assorted 9mm ammo and continued the test.

And now, the fall of 1995, after having fired a total of 100.000 rounds of virtually all kinds of ammunition...
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There is one from a Glock Factory tour showing a glock 17 with some crazy number but i can't find it right now.

How many did the orginal John M Browning 1911 go through?
 
I've only ever thought "wow, you've got a lot of rounds through that gun" when I meet somebody with a round count in the six figures.

I've found that "Do you think 1000 rounds is a lot of ammo?" is a pretty good litmus test of whether someone is a serious shooter or not.
 
He is just trying to find any reason he can to make you come down on the price. 1,320 rounds is nothing.
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im hoping thats the case. I see people try and give reviews on guns and saying how great they are and "Not a single problem in 150rds".... geesh, i probably shoot 300 a week minimum of some sort of firearm.
 
Pistol may be close to being broke in, maybe. :D

It seems most people buying (or looking) seem to want clean and pristene. I figure around 1000 rds, the minor issues have been cleared up. After that, it's pretty much good to go.

Can't blame the guy for trying though....
 
1320 means it is just getting broken in good. That pistol should be good for a long time to come.
 
I had a few similar PMs about an all stainless 1911 I was selling with about 2000 rounds through it. One was just hoping to get his lowball offer accepted and another was a novice shooter who was genuinely just asking. When I told him that the round count was nothing in a gun that should easily have a service life of (who knows) 50k-100k rounds (?) he bought it and at my asking price.
 
Your Majesty may wish to point him in the direction of Jerry Miculek of team S&W who fires 80,000+ rounds per year. Unless they're photoshopping he still has all 10 fingers and I doubt he goes through 80 handguns a year.
 
To answer the OP, now, 1320 rounds is nothing. Just a drop in the bucket. I have a Glock 17 with ~10,000 rounds and it still looks and shoots great. Well, except for one trip back to Glock because it broke. The infamous E-series "recall-that-wasn't-really-a-recall" frame rail problem.

But in deference to the inquiry, think about this: To most gun owners, a brick of 500 .22LR ammo is A LOT of ammo. They keep at most 2-3 50 round boxes on hand for a handgun. How many people have ever taken a person shooting who buys ammo right before the range trip instead of by the case in advance? Just by the fact that we are posting on here on this forum, we are on the advanced edge of the usage curve of "average" gun owners.

I mean, really, there is a reason primers can be purchased by the 5k flat, powder comes in 4-8 pound containers, and... ;)

(Of course, I have an AR-15 match rifle with about 9000 rounds through it, on it's second barrel. It's getting rebarreled this winter for the next 3000-4000 rounds of use! :cool: )
 
LMAO - I guess I should just throw away ALL of my 59XX's along with ALL of my .22LR's. Like you'd said - I wouldn't start trusting a semi auto until it had 500 rounds through it. Hell, even a lowly Hi-Point doesn't break-in until a few hundred rounds have gone through it.

Kingofthehill
What do you consider "A lot of rounds"
I get this email today about a gun i am selling (Didn't happen here).

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hi my name is XXXX and i have been looking at all kinds of springfields. it seems like alot of rounds have been down the barrel but i know how reliable they are. if you are willing to come down on the price, BLAH BLAH BLAH.
The Pistol in question is a Springfield XD-45. It has 1,320 exactly down the pipe (I keep notes and store on an excel spreadsheet).

So, what is a lot to you? IMO 500 is the bare minimum i would even start to trust the pistol with my life on. 1,000 rds is where i feel most triggers show their true colors.

With modern pistols going tens of thousands of rounds before real wear and tare, who is telling these people 1k is a lot?
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Every answer will be relative to the shooter's interest/dedication/money to shooting and his pocketbook.
 
as far as affecting the value? 1,320 rounds is nothing at all. ive done that in a day with some of my .22s
 
My CZ75B was juuust getting broken in at about 1300rds. My CZ has somewhere around 20-25000 rds and shoots waay better than NIB.

You might respond that normally you would charge for breaking in and ops-checking a new gun--let's see, 10 cents/round plus gas to the range and range fees, oh yeh, cleaning supplies too.
 
If I'm buying a used pistol I prefer under 500 rounds fired, but rounds aren't as important as care and maintenance. I prefer a well cared for pistol with 1000 rounds to a neglected beater with 100 rounds.
 
i currently have over 17,500rds through my xd service model .40 and that is no where near (to me) alot of rounds. especially in something as reliable and long lasting as a glock 19,17, m&p's and the xd series. even if you bought one of the above with that many rounds through it, if you ever had a problem the company would take care of you. glock and sa i know for sure from first hand.
 
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