What do you consider "A lot of rounds"

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I fired an estimated 45+K rounds through a single aluminum alloy framed compact I carried as an issued weapon for only a few years. I've fired many thousands of rounds through a number of other issued pistols, too.- Fastbolt

How did said firearm fair? Care to disclose make/model (sigs my guess), if not, thats fine. What upkeep/maintenance did you do or did it require ?
 
I fired an estimated 45+K rounds through a single aluminum alloy framed compact I carried as an issued weapon for only a few years. I've fired many thousands of rounds through a number of other issued pistols, too.- Fastbolt

How did said firearm fair? Care to disclose make/model (sigs my guess), if not, thats fine. What upkeep/maintenance did you do or did it require ?
 
I have a Remington-Rand 1911A1 with well over 100,000 rounds fired from it. The only stoppage was when the tip of the firing pin broke off around round 87,000. An $8 USGI firing pin later and it was back in action. I consider it broken in, and reliable enough for defensive use. :)

vanfunk
 
I had the same thing come up when I sold my P95. I reported about 350 rounds down the pipe and some fool emails me saying that's a bit excessive. I don't think you're even familiar with a gun at 350. Right now my greatest regret concerning my firearms is that I've personally only fired about 300 rounds through my CZ. Second to that is that I've only put 60 down the barrel of my AR. Fortunately I knew the guy I bought my CZ from and he put a few thousand down the pipe. My AR is new so it hasn't even begun to shine.
 
P30shtr, the gun was an early production 6906.

I did have to replace some parts along the way, like the extractor, which exhibited some chipping on the hook at about 12K, but hadn't yet started to exhibit any problems. I replaced it anyway because of the chipping. I replaced the recoil & mag springs periodically, and some other minor parts for preventive maintenance (old ejector with a newer, revised one, some springs & plungers, etc).

At one point quite a bit later I decided to replace the slide because of what might have been a machining issue in the extractor recess area after discussing it with the factory. I tried another slide which fit within proper tolerance with the existing barrel on the original frame, and ran that one for many thousand more rounds.

The frame was still serviceable when I finally decided to pull it and take it out of service, although the camming lugs were starting to show a lot of wear. The frames rails were still fine, but then I never shoot the gun dry, either. (I've seen some aluminum alloy frames which experienced some nasty accelerated wear because of insufficient lubrication, too.)

I could probably have safely left the 6906 in service longer, since it was functioning fine and passed all normal bench & live-fire checks, but since it was also my daily duty weapon I decided that it had served its purpose well enough and it was time to replace it with another early production 6906. I ran that one for only several thousand rounds before we started replacing our aging inventory with new guns (TSW's) and I had to turn it in.

I remember when I was talking to a tech at the factory and mentioned how many rounds I'd run through that one 6906. He chuckled and said that back when those early 3rd gen guns were being produced they'd never expected anyone to shoot one that much.

There's another retired cop on a couple of the forums who worked for an agency that used S&W aluminum framed 9's and 115gr +P+ loads for many years. I remember him mentioning that he knew a retired instructor who had run something like 59K rounds of the 115gr +P+ loads through his issued aluminum S&W before retiring and taking the gun with him, and that he was still shooting it (and maintaining it well, apparently).

Naturally, I'd not expect all aluminum guns to demonstrate that sort of service life expectancy. As a matter of fact, I remember returning an original 3913TSW to the factory because of a short crack in the front of the dustcover (which the owner thought was a scratch for the longest time). The gun never exhibited any functioning issues, and it was only discovered because he brought it to me for an inspection and I checked it out under the magnifying lamp. I was surprised when it turned out to a crack and not a scratch, since it was an odd place for it to occur. The factory was puzzled by it, as well, but cheerfully replaced the gun with a new one. As near as the owner could determine, he'd only fired between 12-15K rounds through it (a mix of standard pressure, +P & +P+ loads), and he claimed to have replaced the recoil spring periodically (since I gave him the springs).

Sometimes things just happen.

I have a copy of a report from the late 80's where a fed agency tested a number of the current pistols available for use at that time. The aluminum frames guns of that day could experienced cracked frames as soon as 10K rounds. One of the comments in the report was from one of the gun companies, and it basically said that if LE wanted aluminum framed guns which would exceed the military service life expectancies, that they should request them and not be surprised when guns made to military specs might not last as long as might be desired by LE users. In subsequent years (after that test report) guns from at least a couple of the makers of guns tested made improvements to their models for LE users.

The bottom line to the report was pretty much that steel guns could be expected to last longer than aluminum guns (although slides & barrels were considered replaceable parts over the long term when 80-100K rounds were being fired). No surprise.

How much longer they might last might become a moot point considering how few rounds the actual average private user really shoots, though. ;)

Just my thoughts.
 
As has been said, it depends on the firearm. If we were talking about a Keltec, 1300 rounds may represent 1/10 of the guns lifespan. Apparently with a Beretta it would be about 1/30 or 1/40 of the guns lifespan. With a Glock, 1911, Kahr, Springfield and many others, I wouldn't consider it a lot at all. My son and I put that many rounds through our XD about every trip to the range.

Personally, I usually don't worry too much about what the claimed round count is. If you don't know how to spot trouble in a deal buying a used gun, you shouldn't be buying a used gun. I usually look for wear and tear. Regular maintenance, or the lack thereof.

I do, however, have a general rule of thumb that I pretty much abide by when buying a used handgun of average price ($500 - $800). If I can get a new one for within $100 of the price of the used one, I'll just buy a new one. I don't care if it's never been fired. I'm willing to pay $100 for the piece of mind that comes with knowing that I don't have to worry about whether or not I missed something and the gun won't run. I'll have the warranty. Now, if I can get a $500 gun for $300 or an $800 gun for $500 or $600, then I'll look it over and if all is good, I'll jump on it. The better the deal, the more of a risk I'm willing to take.

With an XD, I'd buy one used, with 1300 rounds through it, if it was in good shape and I could get it for around $125 less than I can get one new.
 
A lot of rounds?

Definitely different for a pistol vs. rifle, etc. I'm focusing on pistols.

From my perspective, there's a round count where the odds of it being like new are minimal, the round count where I won't buy it without being able to see it and handle it in person, and the round count where I expect a significant discount unless work has been done on the gun.

For most guns, you shouldn't need anything other than a few decent pics to judge it's condition with an honest round count that is 50% or less of the recommended service interval on the recoil spring. The only real wear and tear will be external from handling.

Once you go over the service interval on the recoil spring, I'd LIKE to see it in person. By that round count, stupid things could have been done, and QC in general form the factory is variable enough that it may or may not need some TLC. But given enough desirables and my intended use for the gun, I might bite, and I probably wouldn't expect a break on price over a lightly used gun.

Once you pass about 20,000 rounds I NEED to see the gun in person. although plenty of guns will remain serviceable for a lot longer than that, you are well into the service life of a number of components, and it likely will need some TLC that costs something and I'm factoring that into the offering price.

After the 50,000 round mark, if you haven't had the TLC put in to fix things like slide to frame fit, worn components, new barrel, etc and spent your money proving it's salvageable to something useful, I probably won't be interested unless it's REAL cheap. Like less than a new naked frame cheap.
 
Maybe he considers the two boxes of 50 rounds he will buy a "lot of ammo"! If you've put that many rounds down range, its because you like to shoot it, possibly he won't enjoy it as much as you do!! LOL
 
100 rds suffices for me,

using all the mags I'd carry in it, and if I've used that many of a given bullet profile and velocity, then a magful of a similar load is enough. Trigger pulls don't mean a thing in combat, only in nonrealistic matches. When you are being shot at, at handgun type ranges, your pucker factor will render you unable to notice trigger differences. In fact, you will most likely miss the chest, repeatedly, at a mere 20 ft of range.
 
Trigger pulls don't mean a thing in combat, only in nonrealistic matches.

I disagree with this statement vehemently.

I do not believe anyone should use a trigger weight of less than 5 lbs for fighting purposes. Some folks will go to 4 lbs, but not me.

Far to many folks carry a dangerously light triggers, "Because I shoot it better". Yup and when that adrenalin dump hits will you be able to keep your finger off that light trigger? Based on my experience, which is substantial the answer is "NO"!

Many of these same folks argue that it is the loss of fine motor skills is why they grab the slide to drop that slide to chamber a round. I don't agree but nothing wrong with it if that is how you learned and trained. The trigger weight is much more critical and to light a trigger pull will get you in a lot more trouble than chambering a round, in a firefight, and often has.

Simply amazing.

Go figure.

Fred
 
I have a Remington-Rand 1911A1 with well over 100,000 rounds fired from it. The only stoppage was when the tip of the firing pin broke off around round 87,000. An $8 USGI firing pin later and it was back in action. I consider it broken in, and reliable enough for defensive use. :)

vanfunk
I dont know, might want to put a few more thousand through it before you carry it,:neener:

I would consider anything over 10,000 a lot.
 
I think if I were evaluating a pistol I would want to know more than round count. If, say, the gun went 5000 rounds, was that without any failure of any type or was that with a jam, misfire or failure to eject every 5 rounds? I would rather trust a gun that went 200 rounds with no problems than one that went 10k with nothing but trouble.

Most people thinking of buying a used gun want to know one thing - why is it being sold? Some folks just want something new and have to get rid of a good gun to afford it. Others are getting rid of a jamomatic that has been nothing but trouble.

Jim
 
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