george burns
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I have found although I can shoot a 1911, better than a Glock, I need to adjust accordingly first. The Glock is on target immediately. And my first shot is usually dead on target.
What handgun points more naturally for you
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ConstitutionCowboy
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It's the 1911 grip angle for me.
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Peter M. Eick
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Sig 210. Just hangs perfectly for me which is why I have a couple of them.
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Yesterday afternoon I decided to try out some point shooting with my carry gun. J frame model 637. I was surprised! The dang thing put every bullet on paper and many within a few inches of the exact spot I was looking. About 7 yards both slow and fast fire. And some drawing from holster.
Before this experience I would have said I feel most comfortable shooting my CZ75. Now I vote for the revolver based on how effortlessly it handled last night.
Before this experience I would have said I feel most comfortable shooting my CZ75. Now I vote for the revolver based on how effortlessly it handled last night.
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Please. Glocks have zero pointability, or at least no more than two pieces of lumber nailed together. But then everyone who knows me knows how much I despise Glocks. And of course what I think makes all the difference.
Seriously, true balance and natural pointing are only found in the classics, like a Colt single action and full size 1911. Hideout guns were never designed to point with accuracy, and they don't. At very short distances, anything will point. We could pick up a snake and point it, but real pointing is built in.
Seriously, true balance and natural pointing are only found in the classics, like a Colt single action and full size 1911. Hideout guns were never designed to point with accuracy, and they don't. At very short distances, anything will point. We could pick up a snake and point it, but real pointing is built in.
Old Dog
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In order: 1911s (especially with an arched MSH), any SIG P-series (to include the new style grip), the S&W M&P, the Browning Hi-Power, CZ-75 (full-size) and, strangely, the Beretta 92FS/M-9 ...
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I dont know, they all seem to point fine for me. Might take a mag to reacclimate, or maybe a couple of practice presentations, but Im usually right on after that.
I suppose your brain doesnt forget its indexes, and just stores what it needs until it needs it.
I suppose your brain doesnt forget its indexes, and just stores what it needs until it needs it.
BHP followed by 1911s.
My wife and my Sifu and my brother all fit CZs perfectly.
My daughter points a Glock.
My wife and my Sifu and my brother all fit CZs perfectly.
My daughter points a Glock.
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BHP then 1911s with arched mainspring housing. But I don't really have an issue with Glocks.
dusty14u
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1911's for me and then CZ85.
Candyman87
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Walther PP/PPK are like an extension of my arm. My PPQ is close.
Sig P220, 1911's, and glock all do well for me.
The one gun the just did not ever point well for me was an HK USP 40...so I sold it. Every time I brought the gun up the barrel was canted downward. I'd have to consciously flex my wrists to bring the barrel up enough to see the front sight.
The one gun the just did not ever point well for me was an HK USP 40...so I sold it. Every time I brought the gun up the barrel was canted downward. I'd have to consciously flex my wrists to bring the barrel up enough to see the front sight.
You do realize that a Glock is designed to copy almost exactly the same grip angle and feel as a 1911 with an arched MSH.
Original WW-1 issue 1911's with flat MSH's resulted in many complaints from soldiers about poor pointing and the gun shooting high. After the war military testing found that an arched MSH changed the grip angle which lowered the point of impact and improved pointability for soldiers. This change was made in the 1920's and was the same style used on military 1911's until the Beretta was adopted.
The flat MSH common today is better suited for target shooting. The older arched design, or Glock angle is better suited for combat shooting.
sauer1911
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Sig P226 9mm, then my Sig 1911's in .45. Both are neck and neck fantastic.
My Glock 17 is pretty good too, but I've been shooting it for over 30 years.
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My Glock 17 is pretty good too, but I've been shooting it for over 30 years.
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George Dickel
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Ohen Cepel
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Hi Power for me.
I shoot Glocks fine but they point low for me. Think a lot of it is your hand and what you started to shoot with.
I shoot Glocks fine but they point low for me. Think a lot of it is your hand and what you started to shoot with.
Vodoun da Vinci
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Several guns point very naturally for me...I'm basically a point shooter and don't shoot target or bullseye at all anymore. Well...rarely.
My best pointers in no specific order: Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless, Beretta Px4 SC, Glock 26, Beretta Pico, Glock 42
The little Colts point so well I can look at something 12' - 30' away, turn my head so I can't see it and then point the gun at what I looked at and put a round within 2" of that spot consistently. Some guns point better than others and it's a balance and ergonomics thing for me, not grip angle.
Glocks have it in general for me even though I really don't care for the guns beyond the "tool" aspect.
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My best pointers in no specific order: Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless, Beretta Px4 SC, Glock 26, Beretta Pico, Glock 42
The little Colts point so well I can look at something 12' - 30' away, turn my head so I can't see it and then point the gun at what I looked at and put a round within 2" of that spot consistently. Some guns point better than others and it's a balance and ergonomics thing for me, not grip angle.
Glocks have it in general for me even though I really don't care for the guns beyond the "tool" aspect.
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No, I admit I don't know much about the original 1911's. My opinion was based on the current models.
Since the thread is about pointing, I'll add this:
When I was 17 (50 years ago), I thought of nothing other than girls and Colt style single actions. I had a Colt in .22LR and a Ruger Blackhawk .357. I made my own very weak wadcutter loads for the Ruger, and with very little practice, I became proficient at shooting .38 cases placed on the ground (and sometimes on the basement floor). I just pointed the gun and fired. No sights, no thinking, no hesitation. The distance from gun to casing was only a few feet, but I don't think that kind of instinct shooting can be done with any handgun other that an SAA.
I got older and older. I saw the onslaught of "better" handguns, and I owned no few. The closest thing I ever came to such natural pointing was a Smith 6" K38. So I got older and went into LE. A 4" Model 10 at 7 yards has some degree of pointability, but nothing like a SAA. Not even close. But even the K frames died in preference to the autos, which was the decline of natural pointability, IMO.
My favorite pointing gun now is the new flattop Rugers.
Since the thread is about pointing, I'll add this:
When I was 17 (50 years ago), I thought of nothing other than girls and Colt style single actions. I had a Colt in .22LR and a Ruger Blackhawk .357. I made my own very weak wadcutter loads for the Ruger, and with very little practice, I became proficient at shooting .38 cases placed on the ground (and sometimes on the basement floor). I just pointed the gun and fired. No sights, no thinking, no hesitation. The distance from gun to casing was only a few feet, but I don't think that kind of instinct shooting can be done with any handgun other that an SAA.
I got older and older. I saw the onslaught of "better" handguns, and I owned no few. The closest thing I ever came to such natural pointing was a Smith 6" K38. So I got older and went into LE. A 4" Model 10 at 7 yards has some degree of pointability, but nothing like a SAA. Not even close. But even the K frames died in preference to the autos, which was the decline of natural pointability, IMO.
My favorite pointing gun now is the new flattop Rugers.
1911 guy
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1911. Whoda thunk it?
Barry the Bear
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A single action revolver or a 1911 for me.
rbernie
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Glock or 1873 SAA.
dbmjr1
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Colt Camp Perry. A single shot revolver, that is like shooting a guided missile in my hands. Gawd I love that pistol. Unfortunately my friend won't part with it.
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