What's this CZ hype all about?

[millertyme]

I bought my 75B off a retired LEO who had tried using it in competition but couldn't get used to its ergonomics after 20 years of shooting Glocks. He'd had the trigger slicked up and I can tell you none of my friends have pistols whose triggers even come close. I love my CZ, period. After all the other handguns I've owned, and all the ones I've thought about owning, my CZ is the only one I can truthfully say that about.

On a side note, I have some hopes of obtaining a 97 sometime in the not too distant future. Hopefully that will cure my .45ACP itch I developed recently.

 

[CZguy]

Hopefully that will cure my .45ACP itch I developed recently.

One other cure might be to price the ammo for it.

But who am I to talk, I like to shoot a .45-70.

 

[armoredman]

Now this is why reloading is so popular...

Future CZ ammo...

 

[Welding Rod]

I went to Cabellas last night and handled 3 CZ 75s and a couple other their other models too (I forget the nomenclature now).

Anyhow I thought I wanted to buy one, and they were going to be going on sale today or tomorrow for $450, so I went up to take a look.

They looked pretty good except for one glaring factor.... they all had more creep in their single stage trigger than any other gun I can remember pulling a trigger on. The pull was needlessly heavy too. You could plainly see the hammer camming well back during single action trigger pull.

I decided to pass due to the excrutiating trigger pull.

 

[prezbucky]

Was the 75 based on the FN Hi Power? They sure look a lot alike.

 

[JTQ]

From Mr. Camp's excellent website.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Browning and CZ.htm

 

[schmeky]

I decided to pass due to the excrutiating trigger pull.

I am not at all surprised at the out-of-the-box trigger (OFTB) function on the CZ's you examined. The only really excellent NIB CZ trigger I have personally encountered was on a LNIB P-01 at local gunstore, with the trigger SA being uncharacteristic for a CZ. It was nearly creep/cam free and quite lite. CZ's are sprung very heavy; they will reliably ingite the hardest primers and will even fire hot sub-machinegun 9mm ammo reliably (which has very hard primers).

Anyway, I wanted to give you something to think about. Compare the CZ to a new Sig for instance (which is a pretty common occurance). IIRC a new Sig P226 is running around $800 - $1,000+ depending on the model. Admittedly an OFTB Sig SA trigger is better, to much better than the typical CZ; DA is about the same.

The CZ Competition hammer is $60.00, a new Wolf 15# hammer mainspring is around $10.00. You said the cost of the CZ's were $450.00, which is a very good price, add the other aforementioned items and with tax included, you're around $550.00.

What if you for instance you bought a Sig and the trigger was not to your liking? Your going to spend around $150.00 or more. I have done Sig trigger work and it's not easy at all. Most smiths won't do a Sig trigger job.

You simply cannot believe what the comp hammer and wolf spring does to a CZ. It's amazing to say the least. It's so impressive, I have converted 10 of my personal CZ's, I still own 6. I sold all my Sigs.

This relatively inexpensive mod makes the CZ a world class pistol.

Lastly, go visit the Sig Forum. You will find guys that own Sigs say the CZ is equal to, and in many cases superior to their Sigs.

 

[vidi0t]

Was the 75 based on the FN Hi Power? They sure look a lot alike.

IMHO I think the reason people find these pistols similar is because the front end looks so identical. Take a look at this photo where I cut off the front of both pistols. I really don't think they look anything alike.

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

But when put to the test under the stress of a high volume shooting class, these guns simply couldn’t make it.”

Until I actually went through a high volume class, I really couldn’t fully appreciate the finer points of distinction between my CZ and a more modern polymer pistol (M&P-9).

I am sending my M&P9 pro back to Smith and Wesson for its second trip, I have never had any problems with my CZ's.

First time it was for a gritty trigger, minor issue.

This time the damn front sight (not the f/o rod either) just completely fell off my Pro.

I dont think I buy into this "modern polymer pistol" are more reliable myth.

All guns can and and do fail.

 

[167]

"All guns can and and do fail."

But I think all would agree that some tend to fail more than others, and in more catastrophic ways (comment not targeted at CZ).

 

[Impureclient]

This thread and all the others I have read about CZ and the 75B in particular got me to welcome home a new stainless steel model yesterday.
I fell in love with Zombie's SS 75 on the first page in this thread and when I seen it in person for the first time, I thought about it for a week
and went and picked it up. It's so beautiful....it looks like it should be up on a fireplace mantle or inside a glass frame on the wall. I can't wait to
shoot this thing. My only other handgun, a CW9, is so jealous right now.

 

[LibertySympathizer]

The CZ Competition hammer is $60.00, a new Wolf 15# hammer mainspring is around $10.00. You said the cost of the CZ's were $450.00, which is a very good price, add the other aforementioned items and with tax included, you're around $550.00.

The hammer a DIY job for normal blokes, or does it require a smith?

 

[Welding Rod]

The hammer a DIY job for normal blokes, or does it require a smith?

And who sells the hammer? Is it a CZ piece? Or aftermarket?

 

[CZF]

You can get the competition hammer from CZ-USA. CZ Custom seems to out of them, or they were last week.

www.czcustom.com

www.cz-usa.com

 

[Furncliff]

I have had my second hand cz75b for 6 years. I like it well enough that i just put on a pair of Cocobollo grips. I like it well enough that I bought a Kadet conversion for it. I like it well enough that I have a CZ82 on it's way to me. But it has had problems. Namely firing pins and roll pins. Just installed my third firing pin, roll pin on the ejector let go at the same time. I like it, but it aint perfect.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Does my CZ-82 qualify me to talk in this forum????

I like it, just an all around good gun, feels nice in my hand, is surprisingly accurate, though the trigger does take some getting used to. I keep looking at the Witness in 10mm, but I just can't quite do it.

 

[cornbread2.0]

I bought the sp-01 phantom a few months ago and I shoot it 10 times better than the browning bdm I replaced it with.The ergonomics of the phantom are absolutely awesome

 

[CZF]

Welcome to the World of CZ!

I do hope you join us on CZF for the fun.

 

[armoredman]

Absolutely, love the Phantom, gonna get one someday soon...I hope.
Yes, CZ82 qualifies, that was the Czech Army's sidearm of choice for years, now finally being replaced with the same aforementioned Phantom!
czforum.com is a meeting place for all things/people CZ.

Who else here has a Phantom? Pics?

 

[1SOW]

I bought a NIB DA/SA 75B plain Jane for about $460. I bought it as a range/league gun.
The ergonomics are ideal for me.
It had a poor trigger pull & break. The double action pull was awful.
NOT being a gunsmith, I found instructions and pictures to improve the trigger +.
Going step by step, and after about 2 hrs and $100 spent I was ready to try it out.
It felt GREAT! I did it; and yes, I'm proud of it.
I'm 64 yrs old and NOT a great shooter.
I can draw and put two 5rd mags in the A-zone of two 5 yd targets in under 11.5 secs. (I WILL get this down to <10secs--it's me, not the gun.)
I can clear steel racks, duck rows, poppers, and targets out to 20yds with the upper 1/3 of local shooters--occassionally even better.
The gun shoots WAAAY better than I do.
It's reliable, fast and accurate.
Abuse the he## out of it, and it just gets 'smoother'.

Are there better range/comp guns? Sure! I've shot them. All cost over $1000 and/or had work done to them.

My stock DA/SA Sig for SD, is also reliable, tough and accurate.
I cannot shoot as fast and accurately with the SIG. The Sig trigger isn't as good as my 75B.

The word "I" is in here too much, but it's about the gun.

CZ is a good product.

P.S. My son's Shadow is one of the better/faster guns I've shot.

 

[Roswell_Kid]

Wheeee!!!

After FIVE MONTHS of wait and a long, long road of cumbersome hoops to jump through, I finally today picked up my CZ-75 Compact.

Just like 1SOW says - "It had a poor trigger pull & break. The double action pull was awful." Yup. Trigger out of the box is not good at all. I'll be following that trigger polishing procedure that 1SOW did and top it off with a 17# Wolff hammer spring and the competition hammer from the CZ Custom shop.

This thing is hefty - all steel, old school. Much more than my SIGs and perhaps even more so than my good 'ol 1911s, it points naturally and just begs for speed shooting. I can't wait!

 

[tekarra]

Ros,
Congrats on finally getting your Compact. It has been a long wait, but worth it. Do some dry firing, with a snap cap, and the trigger will smooth out. cZ made some Compacts with aluminum frames but I have ony seen two or three advertised. Saw one a couple of years back, but just missed it. Enjoy your new toy.

 

[Impureclient]

I thought dry firing would smooth it out also but I must have done it at least 2000 times before I gave up.
I opened it up and smoothed out all the points that were mentioned in the two posts pertaining to it on on http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?board=59.0
Afterwards it is no grittiness at all but it still is heavy from the stock 20 lb mainspring. That will be getting changed to a 16 lb. and with it going in will also be the czcustom comp. hammer.

 

[Pyzon]

The only complaint I can think of regarding CZ has nothing to do with the function of their merchandise. They have to be the worlds worst marketers, in that they have so called dealers all over hell that stock next to nothing, especially accessories like extra mags to go with the one 75B they have on the shelf. The really weird thing is, many of these so called dealers go on and on about the quality of the CZ's and what a bargain they are and how well they work, but they have none in stock ! I've never been able to figure out how that can be.

 

[CZguy]

Pyzon,

You can lay the blame for that on to CZ USA. It's not CZs fault, it's their American distributer.