What's this CZ hype all about?

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Hey armoredman, I was just last night wondering about sliding the Kadet Kit onto the Compact frame!

I'll have to check with the powers that be, but as this is technically a parts kit, just maybe I can buy one in the US on my next visit and bring it back without having to go through all the hassle and expense of importing a complete firearm...:rolleyes:
 
So, I finally got to fondle one, but sadly not shoot it.

To me it kinda feels like my 1911 and my wife's Beretta had a kid. Let me explain.

When I held it, it had the distinct feel of a doublestack service pistol, like a Beretta 92. The slide is a wee bit small, when I want to grab it ... much like the 92 FS.
But the trigger breaks about as smooth and cleanly and easily as a 1911, and on top of it, the hammer can be cocked and the safety engaged.

That being said to me it kinda feels like a Beretta 92 with 1911 functionality. Very, very nifty. I'll have to see about those subcompacts.

Ahhhhh....The lights are on! :D

That's why I like the manual safety CZs.......Options......Screw the decocker, If I want the hammer down I'll do it myself. Doesn't scare me a bit.

What's that song by James Brown...."It's a Mans World".....Might as well act like one!
 
Roswell, my Kadet likes my compact frame. Mags just stick out a little on the bottom.
 
Definately look into it, but be careful, as some countries consider barrels and slides to be restricted items through Customs. Check carefully at both ends. Then, when you get it, enjoy the heck out of it! I do.
 
I've had a P-01 for about five years, best feeling and shooting 9mm I've ever had my hands on. I also own a couple of CZ rifles. CZ puts out a quality product at a very good price.
 
Hype? You betcha. But, the only hype that I have seen over the CZ, the 75 in particular, was years ago before they were obtainable in the US. Since then any hype (well deserved hype) has been replaced by a proven track record of excellence. I well remember in the early 80's when some folks would have killed to get their hands on a 75. I don't recall exactly when the 75 became available in the US, but any early hype has been replaced by many years of excellent service.

As to the 97, I had one and foolishly traded it, and when the right one without front slide serrations presents itself I will have one again. And, don't count out the polymers. My Phantom is an outstanding pistol, and if I was king and arming an army with a sidearm it would be high up on my list

As to the lube on a new pistol, my Phantom was the juciest new gun that I have encountered other than a milsurp.

Hype? Yup, about 30 years ago, and well deserved.
 
P-01 owner here.

ergonomics A+
accuracy A+


Now for the bad

Mine doesn't run reliably with Blazer ALUMINUM
The trigger only gets a B in my opinion.

I plan on getting a RAMI some time in the future.
 
awesome pistols, i have had my p07 since april 2009 more than 1k rounds put through it mostly reloads no problems except re-painting the front sight. unfortunately i have sold it to fund my next cz hybrind pistol:)
 
Jaybird78 said:
Mine doesn't run reliably with Blazer ALUMINUM
This comes up with some frequency. My PCR doesn't, either. It had four failures to eject in a single box of ammo. When I switched back to brass it was OK again.


The trigger only gets a B in my opinion.
I like the DA trigger on mine; it has a short and smooth stroke with reasonable weight. The SA is "creepy," however, with considerable "hammer camming."

I didn't say it was perfect, but it is still very, very good. :D
 
My new P-06 (.40) with CZ-USA tuned trigger and factory Nites.



 
Ha, I've go a few, the old ones are a great hunks of steel, beautifully machined with such a great blue still there today.
 
I shot a brand new one (CZ 75 9mm) at the range, a guy was showing it off and asked if I wanted to shoot it.

Absolutely terrible trigger, worse than a stock S&W TDA.

I let him shoot my stock G34; he couldn't believe how much better the trigger was.

He shot the Glock much more accurately than the CZ. I know the triggers are apples and oranges but the CZ was unacceptable to me.
 
Hello friends and neighbors // I have enjoyed the CZ2075RAMI .40s&w and a few months ago added the CZ75B.

The mags from the 75B work in the RAMI as well, for me it was a great choice.
Saturday I'm taking an Advanced Handgun class with the 75B in tow.

There have been many posts about the ergonomics, reliability and accuracy. The CZs are fine firearms. Here is some eye candy, since most of the possitives have been stated.
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The RAMI holster is a Hepco, I use a Gould and Goodrich for the 75B.
 
I shot a brand new one (CZ 75 9mm) at the range, a guy was showing it off and asked if I wanted to shoot it.

Absolutely terrible trigger, worse than a stock S&W TDA.

I let him shoot my stock G34; he couldn't believe how much better the trigger was.

He shot the Glock much more accurately than the CZ. I know the triggers are apples and oranges but the CZ was unacceptable to me.

That was the problem right there. It's a well known fact the CZ triggers need some break-in time. After 500 plus rounds it will be much better than your experience.

All things being equal (ie: a good shooter and smooth, worn in CZ trigger) I believe the CZ would be the more accurate pistol.
 
That was the problem right there. It's a well known fact the CZ triggers need some break-in time.

So true. When I first tried my Phantom's trigger in the shop I immediately put the gun down and walked away from it. Then I thought "wait a minute, they get so much better". As it turns out, between dry firing (with snap caps) and about 600 rounds through it the trigger is a whole different animal. Going by dry firing a new gun in a shop or shooting a new gun you won't have a very good idea of what the trigger will be once the gun gets some use. Plus, the decocker is now a lot less stiff and much more smooth than it was when I got it.
 
Thanks to a member of the forum, I have been able to fulfill my desire to have a beautiful first run CZ75 short rail. My short trip to the range was a dream, as the gun and it's performance were beyond belief. I found the gun was sighted in for me, so no sight banging/pushing was in order. The reduced size B29 target is shown next to a full size B27, so you can see just how small the groups are. After a few to the chest, I aimed two to the head. I had to quit the paper before the shooter started screwing up, and just pop at rocks and cans. THIS is what "CZ hype" is all about. Until one handles the original short rail CZ75, with a high polish blue and the perfect balance, you just won't get it. The "B" models are good, but the trigger pulls are shorter but heavier. The older ones are like, well, smooth and sexy. And I don't think I could shoot a Sig P210 or other target auto any better.
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I am a CZ owner, and -- sadly -- about to jump off the bandwagon.

I bought a CZ75B with the Omega trigger package (switchable between decocker and traditional safety). The lockwork itself is considerably different from a standard 75B, but, after much polishing, a reduced power mainspring, and a bit over 1,000 rds through it in practice and competition, I just hate it.

The gun is beautiful, seems accurate enough (though nothing special), feels good in the hand -- but that trigger STINKS and the safety is poorly shaped and in the wrong place (for me).

I've promised myself that I'll continue to shoot it exclusively until a big match coming up at the end of the month, which should bring the round count to about 1,500 or a bit more, and if an epiphany has not occurred, out the door with it.

I've borrowed guns that shoot in the same competition division as this and shot a full classification level higher with those borrowed guns than I can with the CZ that I've put so much effort into.

Very disappointing. But obviously, many shooters have found a lot more success with them. (Maybe it's only the Omega system...who knows?)
 
Some have had difficulties with the first generation Omega triggers, I'd reccomend trying a standard CZ75B if you can. If not, it's OK, not everything is for everyone.
 
I'd reccomend trying a standard CZ75B if you can.
I don't care for the down-swept beavertail and the standard models with the upswept tail are a bit above my price range.

All-in-all, I believe that I've simply satisfied the (shallow) depths of my desire to have a fling with a da/sa trigger and I've proven to my absolute contentment that I never want another.

When the CZ is gone, an M&P will replace it.
 
Very disappointing. But obviously, many shooters have found a lot more success with them. (Maybe it's only the Omega system...who knows?)

The omega system is mediocre imo.

The standard trigger with a trigger job from the custom shop (which includes and installation of the custom hammer) is really smooth and light and about as good as it gets for DA/SA. Mine is 8lbs DA and 3lb SA with the 13lb mainspring and never had a light strike even on cheapo russian steel cased ammo.

The SA and Sp-01 variants (sp-01, sp-01 tactical, phantom, and shadow) have upswept beavertails.

Honestly I wouldnt buy a CZ and not have the custom shop do a trigger job on it, the difference is night and day.

Why the custom shop hammer is not standard on CZ i dont know, but it should be.
 
Zed Is Not Your Friend
27-Jun-10 – 08:00 by ToddG

As an instructor, I strive to be a good student. Good students are always learning. And last week in Canada, I learned that CZ pistols (pronounced “see zed” in Canadiese) are as reliable as a Ford.

A Ford Pinto, that is.

There were four CZ75-pattern guns (one Tangfolio and three genuine CZs) used by three different students over the course of the week, and every one of them had reliability problems.

The owners were great students and never let the pistol problems interfere with the class. They had fantastic attitudes and shot very well when their guns worked. But from failures to feed to failures to extract to failures to eject to failures to lock back to premature lock back, we saw the whole spectrum of handgun malfunctions from those guns.

The Glocks in the class didn’t have any consistent problems. Even the two S&W 3rd Generation pistols ran well except for some grip and lubrication hiccups. In fact, the only gun that had more problems was a used, second-hand Para P14.45, and who is surprised by that?

CZ pistols are both popular and successful in the world competition arena. They’re also very common among various militaries throughout the globe. But here in the U.S., they’ve never really earned a serious share of the market. They have a reputation for reliability and durability problems. And after four straight days of watching them choke, I’d say it’s a well deserved reputation.

In fairness, one student got his gun working 100% on day four after replacing the extractor spring. The pistol had a little under 14,000 rounds through it when the troubles began. If that had been the only CZ that suffered such trouble during the classes, it would be excusable. But all four?

The CZ is a shootable gun. The CZ Shadow I shot had an excellent trigger and was accurate enough for me to hit an 8″ range marker at 100yd. The owner (class host Rob Engh) reports that he’s easily averaging 0.17 splits and on some drills turning in 0.14 and even 0.13 splits with that same pistol!

Nonetheless, if a gun can’t be depended upon to go bang when the trigger is pressed, it’s a paperweight. Speed and accuracy mean a lot less when you’re prying a stuck case out from underneath an extractor claw.

I’m sure there will be CZ fans who will talk about their personally owned guns that have gone x-number of rounds without a problem. And I don’t doubt it. But when put to the test under the stress of a high volume shooting class, these guns simply couldn’t make it. Not one, not two, but all four.

Zed is not your friend.

There is significant discussion that goes along with this, you can see it all here. I am just throwing it out there, not saying I agree or disagree with it.
 
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