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Actually, YES!
The earlier laws restricting fully automatic weapons would still be in effect.
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Will We Sit at the Table?
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Actually, YES!
The earlier laws restricting fully automatic weapons would still be in effect.
If you want to be taken seriously, get informed!
Deanimator
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- There is no constitutional right to rent a truck.
- I doubt that any truck rental company would be trying to make it "far more difficult to rent a truck", given that that would drive them out of business. Did they advocate that after the World Trade Center bombing? Nope.
Take a moment to breath. Please.
England had very strict gun laws before the 96 shooting in Scotland. Very strict and their political system is very different from ours. It's important to understand that. Gun owners were not organized in England the way we are. And we are organized in a way that gun owners around the world aren't. The gun grabbers always make us sound like we are irrelevant when this happens. We aren't and don't let them make you think we are.
It might happen. It could happen. Never say never.I know that right now it seems like it might happen because the gun grabbers are in full scream. But it's early and right now the anti's are being allowed to have the floor. I know some don't agree with this, but I think it's the way to approach it. Let them look like the opportunistic creatures that they are. After they've screamed out their "outrage" ,and some of the emotions have subsided, we can step into the fray and say our piece.
A lot can happen in a decade (plus). I remember thirteen years ago after Colombine many folks convinced that the 2nd Amendment was finished and the same people (Schumer, Feinstein) saying that this is the "moral tipping point" . That summer there was one public shooting after another. Time magazine ran a big editorial in the fall that stated the tide had turned against gun owners and the guns were going to be taken. It was a very smug editorial. Puffed up with it's own moral superiority.
There were endless articles about how the number of gun owners were declining, we were a dying breed, the gun companies were sinking, the gun company law suits were going to finish them off, on and on and on. Many were convinced that civil war was coming, but it didn't. The 2nd Amendment argument is stronger now then it was in 1999. There are more gun owners now then there were in 99. There are now legal protections for gun companies from stupid law sutis designed to destroy them. I question just how influential Feinsten really is - despite her seniority. Nobody could have forseen those thing in 99 - to include me.
My point is nobody knows what the future is going to bring. The anti's are always the first off the starting line. They're notorious for their quick starts, but they don't seem to have the ability to say the course. The loudest of them (i.e. the most extreme) are the ones who get the most attention at first and they love to push for a Nazi style approach to gun control. Later their big mouths prove to be their worst enemy.
We need to take a breath and prepare for the long haul. Don't get stampeded by the initial hue and cry. Right now it's bad. But things never stay like this. This is a huge political fight and one that is ugly. I know that some of the doomsayers are saying that the lame duck congress will pass all types of Draconian gun laws, but I don't see that happening. While I could be wrong the real fight will start in January. The new congress is only about a month away from being sworn in and then we start the real fight. So tke a breath, say your prayers for the victims and their families and then roll up your sleeves and get ready to get very busy. Oh and try to stop squabbling with each other. That doesn't accomplish anything.
I don't know what else to say about this. Do you?
England had very strict gun laws before the 96 shooting in Scotland. Very strict and their political system is very different from ours. It's important to understand that. Gun owners were not organized in England the way we are. And we are organized in a way that gun owners around the world aren't. The gun grabbers always make us sound like we are irrelevant when this happens. We aren't and don't let them make you think we are.
It might happen. It could happen. Never say never.I know that right now it seems like it might happen because the gun grabbers are in full scream. But it's early and right now the anti's are being allowed to have the floor. I know some don't agree with this, but I think it's the way to approach it. Let them look like the opportunistic creatures that they are. After they've screamed out their "outrage" ,and some of the emotions have subsided, we can step into the fray and say our piece.
A lot can happen in a decade (plus). I remember thirteen years ago after Colombine many folks convinced that the 2nd Amendment was finished and the same people (Schumer, Feinstein) saying that this is the "moral tipping point" . That summer there was one public shooting after another. Time magazine ran a big editorial in the fall that stated the tide had turned against gun owners and the guns were going to be taken. It was a very smug editorial. Puffed up with it's own moral superiority.
There were endless articles about how the number of gun owners were declining, we were a dying breed, the gun companies were sinking, the gun company law suits were going to finish them off, on and on and on. Many were convinced that civil war was coming, but it didn't. The 2nd Amendment argument is stronger now then it was in 1999. There are more gun owners now then there were in 99. There are now legal protections for gun companies from stupid law sutis designed to destroy them. I question just how influential Feinsten really is - despite her seniority. Nobody could have forseen those thing in 99 - to include me.
My point is nobody knows what the future is going to bring. The anti's are always the first off the starting line. They're notorious for their quick starts, but they don't seem to have the ability to say the course. The loudest of them (i.e. the most extreme) are the ones who get the most attention at first and they love to push for a Nazi style approach to gun control. Later their big mouths prove to be their worst enemy.
We need to take a breath and prepare for the long haul. Don't get stampeded by the initial hue and cry. Right now it's bad. But things never stay like this. This is a huge political fight and one that is ugly. I know that some of the doomsayers are saying that the lame duck congress will pass all types of Draconian gun laws, but I don't see that happening. While I could be wrong the real fight will start in January. The new congress is only about a month away from being sworn in and then we start the real fight. So tke a breath, say your prayers for the victims and their families and then roll up your sleeves and get ready to get very busy. Oh and try to stop squabbling with each other. That doesn't accomplish anything.
I don't know what else to say about this. Do you?
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One man's OPINION... I must be past that point of the proverbial blind man.I'll take you to Vegas on that one. You worry way too much. Reach for a Mountain Dew and try to relax.
You live in Arkansas,right? It's cool there, especially Route 7.
This is just another mentally disturbed nut. His crime was horrific, but again I say no new bans and we continue to work to remove the onerous ones of the past.
Again,try your best to chill.
I must seriously disagree with you. Not that I want to.
I don't know that something bad will get passed, but I am sure it won't be for lack of trying. I think we need to be vigilant, and ready to react.
And on that note, I will repeat what we all need to do.
Join the NRA if you are not already a member.
Join the Second Amendment Foundation.
Join a local or State wide gun organization.
Join other anti-gun control groups. The GOA,JPWO, and many others. I used to have a list of National and local 2 Amendment organizations, but just google it.
Find out who your Congressional Representative is, and who your State Senators are, and what their positions on gun control is. Get their contact phone numbers, and use them.
Don't think it is impossible to change their opinion or their status as elected, if they disagree with you. As a Conservative Republican, I will state that it is possible to defeat an incumbent in a primary challenge, if you organize.
I think we will have some bad times ahead of us. Heck, a lot of people on this site don't believe in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. But we have made some amazing strides in the last few decades, and I hope that this will not develop into a huge set back, but that will probably depend on us taking action in the form of contacting our government representatives.
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You're laboring under the misapprehension that I CARE about or WANT to be "taken" seriously by movement anti-gunners. I have no more expectation of being respected or paid attention to by them, than I expect to be respected or paid attention to by members of the Aryan Brotherhood in any discussion of civil rights.
I suspect that it's obvious to most other people, but I'll lay it out for you:
I am MOCKING, RIDICULING and showing DISRESPECT for the gun control cult and it's defeatists and Quislings in the pro-gun movement, EXACTLY the way I MOCK, RIDICULE and show DISRESPECT for Holocaust deniers and the Westboro Baptist Church.
To paraphrase the late William F. Buckley Jr., "I won't insult their intelligence by pretending to take them seriously."
Likewise, I won't debase myself by crediting any risible calls for "compromise" with anti-gunners by so-called "pro-gun" individuals.
There is no more likelihood of REAL compromise with Chuck Schumer on guns than there was of "compromise" between the Bielski brothers and Juergen Stroop.
Somebody's going to win and somebody's going to lose (or capitulate). I can't guarantee that I'll win, but I ABSOLUTELY guarantee you that I'll NEVER give in.
The Judenrat and the Kapos died last.
They still died.
R.W.Dale
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You're missing the point.
Its not about what rights we're willing to give up its about what rights you're OK with THEM taking while you play like an ostrich and spout 1994 talking points
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Deanimator
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You act like they can't get one NOW.
It is much easier to construct an effective submachinegun than an effective semi-automatic handgun or rifle.
The bedrock of ALL anti-gun advocacy is IGNORANCE, by the speaker, the audience, or preferably, BOTH.
Copied from another forum but the initial talking points seem to be what I remember over the last 48 hours. Could it just be lack of info and T.V. segment filling? I do remember clearly hearing a long rifle was found in his car and was not carried into the school...Then the story totally changed indicating a Bushmaster was used in the shooting?
No tin foil here but I do wonder unless he had two ARs how one was found in the car; or am I hearing things?
Maybe the facts will be apparent at some later date or I missed something about two ARs? Regardless I am so sorry for the kids and parents who went through this.
JohnBT
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"That doesn't really seem to be the case.
These freaks ALWAYS seem to have histories, and pretty long ones at that, with Cho Sung Hui being the poster child for unaddressed or poorly addressed threatening behavior"
"These freaks." It's hard to have a sensible conversation or debate with a namecaller who presents no facts to back up useless opinion.
Doesn't seem to be the case? It certainly is the case. Those 2.2 million Americans with schizophrenia I referenced? Those 2.6% of the U.S. population with bipolar? The others I didn't mention? They all have case histories. I've read a lot of them since finishing grad school in 1974.
You can't predict when a non-violent person will turn violent. Sure, you can look at the record and say, "Gee, see, little Bobby was very quiet and pushed his mother down when he was 16 and hit a kid in special ed class the next year so we should have known he'd become a murderer." That's just silly Monday morning quarterbacking.
"We need to take a breath and prepare for the long haul."
True. If we weren't prepared already - I was sitting in 8th grade algebra when it was announced that JFK had been shot.
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These freaks ALWAYS seem to have histories, and pretty long ones at that, with Cho Sung Hui being the poster child for unaddressed or poorly addressed threatening behavior"
"These freaks." It's hard to have a sensible conversation or debate with a namecaller who presents no facts to back up useless opinion.
Doesn't seem to be the case? It certainly is the case. Those 2.2 million Americans with schizophrenia I referenced? Those 2.6% of the U.S. population with bipolar? The others I didn't mention? They all have case histories. I've read a lot of them since finishing grad school in 1974.
You can't predict when a non-violent person will turn violent. Sure, you can look at the record and say, "Gee, see, little Bobby was very quiet and pushed his mother down when he was 16 and hit a kid in special ed class the next year so we should have known he'd become a murderer." That's just silly Monday morning quarterbacking.
"We need to take a breath and prepare for the long haul."
True. If we weren't prepared already - I was sitting in 8th grade algebra when it was announced that JFK had been shot.
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How exactly are they going to TAKE them?
How is it you expect I'm going to STOP them from taking them by capitulating or taking THEIR disinformation as settled fact?
The facts were the same in 1994 as they are now.
NOTHING has changed... except THEY have gotten weaker.
It appears that some here would have had Truman "compromise" with the Japanese AFTER the capture of Okinawa.
Deanimator
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Cho Sung Hui and his ilk are despicable, degenerate freaks.
I make not the SLIGHTEST apology for saying so.
R.W.Dale
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Again you fail to grasp the fundamental difference between then and now.
THE FACTS WON'T MATTER.
Something will be done to make those in charge of doing things feel like they've done something productive.
You need to figure out what you do and don't want done in the process.
When everyone agrees to change policy the guy sitting at the end of the table saying the status quo is fine will be asked to leave. NOBODY in Washington is OK with that argument with 20 murdered kindergarten kids being the focus of the discussion
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I just feel it's like sitting down to dinner with cannibals.
I'm just going to rephrase and underscore what I said earlier. Anti's are coming to OUR house, to OUR table, and petitioning us to give up OUR essential liberty in the name of their perverted view of safety. They cannot legally take anything from us, the only thing we can lose is what we are willing to give away.
They get nothing except continued legal lessons (losses in court) that their many bans have failed to protect anyone ever. Then we keep pushing for continued repeal of these completely ineffective laws that are only craven efforts to incrementally erode fundamental rights.
There is no magic number of gun laws that will suddenly cause criminals to obey the law. There is no compromise to be made when nothing is offered in return. None, zero, nada, ****, ****.
They get nothing except continued legal lessons (losses in court) that their many bans have failed to protect anyone ever. Then we keep pushing for continued repeal of these completely ineffective laws that are only craven efforts to incrementally erode fundamental rights.
There is no magic number of gun laws that will suddenly cause criminals to obey the law. There is no compromise to be made when nothing is offered in return. None, zero, nada, ****, ****.
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JN01
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So GIVING our rights away is better, how? You are dreaming if you think Bloomberg and his ilk would compromise anyway.
Deanimator
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There's NO difference.
Supposed "gun owners" advocated capitulation then.
Supposed "gun owners" advocate capitulation now.
My answer was and remains, "NO, I refuse."
krupparms
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Bickering &fighting among ourselves will win the battle for, them! As pro 2amd. supporters we must stop a minute &look at what works. We must put forth ideas that are workable & sound! We must pull together & work with each other. So let's stop argueing &pool our ideas! & work together!
What works is funding the NRA-ILA and other gun rights lobbying orgs. Everything else is just flapping gums.
JN01
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If the facts don't matter, then whatever we want done won't matter either.
Or are you suggesting that we come up with a plan that isn't based on facts?
zxcvbob
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Who should we have at the table... Suzanna Hupp, Ron Paul, Alan Gura, and (I just heard about this guy) NYPD Detective John Baeza http://www.therightscoop.com/nypd-detective-we-need-to-repeal-gun-free-school-zones/
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The problem is, the News media do not know the facts, (and probably don't really care about them even if they did) but they are going ahead and making up stuff anyway.
I have repeatedly cautioned about commenting on the situation with out knowing the facts, and we don't yet know them.
Were the children shot with a rifle, some reports indicate they were, others don't. So it is impossible to state with confidence what happened.
This is what pisses me off about the whole situation. There are so few verifiable facts, yet people are speculating like crazy, and coming up with gun control solutions that may (probably) have no bearing on the facts.
Remember the Aurora Colorado shooting where the shooter was alleged to have worn a bullet proof vest. He did not, yet people still talk about him having done so.
Speculation with out facts can do enormous damage due to incorrect information being accepted as true.
The days when you could believe what you read in the paper or saw on the television news are long gone, if they ever existed.
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