Would you call the cops?

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JustinJ said:
How you equate that to walking down a city street with a weapon condusive to mass carnage is beyond me.
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The laws of most states and Federal law consider handguns to be more "condusive to mass carnage" than AR-15s. Handguns are much more regulated than AR-15s. So, I guess you would consider a person walking down a city street with a handgun in a holster to be REALLY, REALLY dangerous then, eh?
 
If what he is doing is against the law...then yes, I'd call the police. If not, then leave him alone! No reason to call the police when no laws have been broken. Carrying a rifle in public is completely legal in Texas (provided municipality laws allow it). I'd hate for someone to call the police when I do private party gun purchases in Walmart, Academy & Home Depot parking lots. It may look out of the ordinary, but perfectly legal; and that's all that matters.
 
Teachu2, I've yet to hear of an unarmed person shooting anybody either. Hey, they should ban guns from everybody. Unarmed people can't shoot people. Its for the safety of our kids.
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Careful - someone's liable to quote you on that!

Folks, gun laws are political. ALL laws are political. Every time some idiot exercises poor judgement with a firearm, we lose a little in our fight to keep our rights and to gain back some of what's been lost.

We could learn a lot from President Obama's 2008 campaign. I voted against him, but more voted for him. Why? Because of what he wasn't - he wasn't a Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton clone, spewing extremist views and scaring the voters. He was a calm, articulate candidate who was also African-American. He presents well, and romances voters.

When we take an extreme position (I want it ALL and I want it NOW), we doom ourselves. We get labelled extremists when we take an extreme position and refuse to even consider others.

Gun rights will be won or lost a little bit at a time. NOTHING will help our cause more than being responsible owners of firearms, and helping others do the same. NOTHING would hurt our cause more than some reporter quoting someone here IMPLYING that they wouldn't help the guvmint on laws they don't agree with - especially if some reporter can find a gun owner who saw something HIGHLY unusual before a school shooting but did nothing...

If we don't police ourselves, we throw the door to more laws wide open.

Just food for thought.
 
It is not normal to walk around a metropolitan area with a rifle sling over your shoulder in the United States. Furthermore, it should be carried in a bag or hardcase, if not needed for possible immediate use.
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Forget all the legal and civil rights mumbo jumbo - the above post says it all.

Suppose you saw this person walking towards your children's school or your parents' house? Forget legal niceties - I would be worried.

Whatever happened to common sense?
 
Suppose you saw this person walking towards your children's school or your parents' house?
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A slung rifle is equivalent in readiness to a holstered handgun. If I saw someone OCing a handgun (where legal to do so) and walking "toward" a school (not on school grounds), I wouldn't be worried. Same if I saw someone with a slung rifle, where legal.

Someone neither in a hunting area nor at a range who is holding a rifle at low-ready is different, just like someone holding (not wearing) a handgun.
 
I walk around everyday trying to find people who are making mistakes. Then I point a finger of accusation at them and let it be known how poorly they are behaving and I highlight their mishaps for everyone to see.
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Honestly, I would not call the police because I enjoy going "look! look! he's breaking the law!". I have no interest in "ruining his life" or "taking away his freedoms" just for the fun of it. :rolleyes:

I would call becuase of the (IMO) very real potential that the individual doing such an obviously illegal act is unbalanced and planning on using that gun on people. I'll accept the possibility of getting an "innocent" man in trouble with the law, when the danger, no matter how statistically low, has the potential to tragically destroy so many lives. :(
 
from what ive seen, when it comes to firearms.....people go out of their way to defend actions they wouldnt normally defend.......allow me to explain.

i think everyone here is in agreement that a firearm is a tool.......correct?......so let me put OPs question in a different context.


what if you saw a guy walking around a college campus with a machete, where large blades are illegal to own and carry?......just walking around with it in his hands, not acting particularly abnormal, except for his machete(and no, he doesnt work for buildings and grounds as far as you can tell).........would you call the police?

the same concept applies to firearms.......
 
How about if you see underage college kids drinking. Its against the law. And the law is the law whether you agree with it or not according to one guy on here. He may drive drunk later.
 
Yes, I would report it. It is not normal to walk around a metropolitan area with a rifle sling over your shoulder in the United States. Furthermore, it should be carried in a bag or hardcase, if not need for possible immediate use. I support both open and concealed carry. Moreover, I support responsible gun ownership.

Just so I am clear on your position.

You will report someone carrying a unloaded gun in plain view on campus.

You will NOT report the same individual carrying the same gun as long as it is in a case bag.
 
Tell you what.... some of you guys would mess in your pants in Washington State....stay away from our Capitol grounds, never know who you might run into!
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yes.....you are OCing in a place that does not prohibit OC....im also willing to bet the police knew about your event and knew expect OCers.......nothing to worry about.

this has nothing to do with whether people should OC a rifle........

it has to do with OCing a rifle in a place that prohibits firearms........

you all had your guns that day.......tell me, would you guys have walked into a federal building/ post office/ bank/ect. with your guns?...........im going to guess not, because you are most likely law abiding citizens.......

when someone blatantly and openly breaks a law that will likely land them in all sorts of trouble......it makes me question what it is they are planning that they dont mind the consequences....and what other laws they plan on blatantly breaking......
 
M-Cameron said:
tell me, would you guys have walked into a federal building/ post office/ bank/ect. with your guns?...........im going to guess not, because you are most likely law abiding citizens.......

when someone blatantly and openly breaks a law that will likely land them in all sorts of trouble......it makes me question what it is they are planning that they dont mind the consequences....and what other laws they plan on blatantly breaking......
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Banks, yes. We carry our guns in banks all the time in Washington. We carry our guns on school grounds when we are picking up or dropping off our kids. Now, if you were visiting Washington you might be tempted to call the police if you saw one of us in a bank or on school grounds, and the police should, if they are screening their calls properly, politely inform you that it is legal to carry a gun in a bank in WA and on school grounds, under certain conditions, in WA.

If I see someone who is more likely than not innocently breaking the law due to ignorance or a brain fart, I'm not going to go tattling to the government about them. I will politely let them know that they might not want to do that action because they could get arrested. Just like the neighbor who let me know it was illegal to shoot on my own property.

AND the fact is, I just don't get all worked up over someone carrying a rifle slung on their back on a college campus unless they are somehow acting weird....and to me engaging in an activity that is protected by the US Constitution is not acting weird.
 

If I see someone who is more likely than not innocently breaking the law due to ignorance or a brain fart, I'm not going to go tattling to the government about them. I will politely let them know that they might not want to do that action because they could get arrested. Just like the neighbor who let me know it was illegal to shoot on my own property.
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you see, i dont buy the "ignorance or forgetfulness" argument.......

the kinds of people who OC firearms are the type of people who scoured the laws and know precisely what they are doing and the legalities of their actions.......that throws the ignorance argument out the window.

as for forgetfulness.......you expect me to believe that you forgot about that 8lb rifle hanging off your back?.........im sorry, i dont buy it.
 
M-Cameron,only 2 states Montana and North Carolina and laws against carry in banks.Just 2.
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that is hardly the point i was trying to make......and you know it.......i havent checked the laws for all 50 states, so i simply listed common places where firearms arent allowed.........please stop trying to find tiny indescrepencies and focus on the main argument at hand.
 
Common places where firearms aren't allowed does not include banks though. This is what the entire thread is about. People thinking other people are breaking the law by carrying when in fact it isn't the case. You just helped our argument by that comment.
 
Better to be safe than sorry. Let the cops do their job. Besides if you did nothing and something did happened and you couldn't live with yourself.
 
Why wouldn't you call the police is a better question I think.

No one needs to walk around with an AR15 strapped to their back in public, legal or not. That's just asking for trouble...Especially on or near a school campus.

(unless of course it's the end of the world & zombies are out!)
 
Common places where firearms aren't allowed does not include banks though. This is what the entire thread is about. People thinking other people are breaking the law by carrying when in fact it isn't the case. You just helped our argument by that comment.
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READ THE OPs SCENARIO..........for the sake of this thread, it is assumed that the person was carrying a rifle in a prohibited zone.........
 
M-cameron, I'm with you on the op. Others have made it into more, which is what my points are directed towards. Like brockak47 just posted. He would call the police whether it was against the law or legal where a long gun was being carried.
 
NavyLCDR said:
The laws of most states and Federal law consider handguns to be more "condusive to mass carnage" than AR-15s. Handguns are much more regulated than AR-15s. So, I guess you would consider a person walking down a city street with a handgun in a holster to be REALLY, REALLY dangerous then, eh?
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I think that the reason that handguns are more tightly regulated is because they are more easily concealed, thereby allowing a would be criminal to come in "under the radar." The man AR on the other hand is pretty conspicuous, and I think that that is the point.

I am pro second amendment, pro AR-15, and went to a large state school in a fairly gun-friendly state. If I saw someone with an AR on his back walking through campus, I would absolutely call the police. The reason that the AR is less tightly regulated is because if someone is carrying one in an inappropriate place, it should be fairly obvious and it is expected that the LEOs will be called.
 
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