Easy way for him to get his arrest numbers up. If you say no, he can ask why, and if you tell him why, he can lead you further down the road toward admiting something that can be used against you.He asked me, "do you think you are properly trained to carry a gun."
There is absolutely no upside to informing if you don't have to.
I hate that. I did some work with government in my past. I was pulled over once and the guy recognized me. He literally stopped writing the ticket. It felt disgusting. Are you a better class of person deserving of special consideration because you work with law enforcement? That's why I hate those little black stickers with the blue bars that the LEO's significant other displays. Is an LEO's marital partner more deserving of leniency than we lowly peasants' marital partners? Same goes for those "NC Justice System" license plate frames or the special tags for judges. This is a free society and we all deserve the same treatment during a traffic stop. I have many friends in law enforcemnt and I have the utmost respect for them, but they and their SO's should be subject to the same treatment and scrutiny as the rest of us.
I got his badge number and car number. I am actually in the process of typing up a formal complaint.
The Lone Haranguer said:I don't know what NC law is regarding this, but it seems likely this could have been avoided by not volunteering such information.
I do not agree with this. A traffic stop is vunerable position for an officer. If you are carrying and do not inform but the officer one way or another sees the gun you are greatly upping the chances of you getting shot or at the very least having a gun drawn on you.
I think everyone is missing the point of getting pulled over with no cause. Reminds me of Mexico
And yet, if you surrender your firearm, your four year old may get swept by the muzzle, twice, or you may have an officer hand you a hot sidearm so you can clear it for his safety...I do not agree with this. A traffic stop is vunerable position for an officer. If you are carrying and do not inform but the officer one way or another sees the gun you are greatly upping the chances of you getting shot or at the very least having a gun drawn on you.
And yet, if you surrender your firearm, your four year old may get swept by the muzzle, twice, or you may have an officer hand you a hot sidearm so you can clear it for his safety...
And yet, if you surrender your firearm, your four year old may get swept by the muzzle, twice, or you may have an officer hand you a hot sidearm so you can clear it for his safety...
North Carolina used to be a decent state to live in, however we have now been overrun by yankees from New York*, New Jersey*, etc., who have brought their liberal, anti-gun agenda with them.
We're contemplating a move to a more gun-friendly state. While there have been changes in NC for the better, the pace of change is much slower than I would care for. The liberal/anti-gun migration to NC is greater than the conservative/pro-gun; I'm actually surprised that we've seen any positive changes to date, but we have had a few. It's an anomaly, though, and I don't see this sustaining. In the Triangle area, I feel completely outnumbered by the anti's.
The alternative is to not inform and break the law, which could get your CCH license revoked or worse. These actions hurt all lawful CCH holders who worked very hard to get this law passed and carry responsibly every day.
Lic checks and their Constitutionality has nothing to do with guns IMHO. Many states that are pro gun practice these types of stops. VA and WV come to mind.
There has not been a Republican Governor of NC elected since 1988. All the governor’s since then have been Democrat and I believe native born of this state. This you can not blame on the Yankees. This is more or less self-inflicted.
The Republicans now have control of the State Senate and House of Representatives now when was the last time that occurred. The ills in NC can not be blamed on Yankees. Place the blame where it lays at the feet of the native born.
Because they have no right to demand that we inform them of such a thing... plus the fact that it avoids a couple of different possibilities that carry the risk of a negative outcome for you.rellascout said:If a large number of people were found not complying it would be used by those who are against the right to carry. It would put otherwise lawful people on the wrong side of the law. Why would a lawful gun owner advocate that?
Then I saw what was wrong with the world, I saw what destroyed men and nations, and where the battle for life had to be fought. I saw that the enemy was an inverted morality—and that my sanction was its only power. I saw that evil was impotent—that evil was the irrational, the blind, the anti-real—and that the only weapon of its triumph was the willingness of the good to serve it. Just as the parasites around me were proclaiming their helpless dependence on my mind and were expecting me voluntarily to accept a slavery they had no power to enforce, just as they were counting on my self-immolation to provide them with the means of their plan—so throughout the world and throughout men’s history, in every version and form, from the extortions of loafing relatives to the atrocities of collectivized countries, it is the good, the able, the men of reason, who act as their own destroyers, who transfuse to evil the blood of their virtue and let evil transmit to them the poison of destruction, thus gaining for evil the power of survival, and for their own values—the impotence of death. I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win—and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was “No.”
-- Ayn Rand
And there is no way that a large number of people could be found to be not complying. How would they be caught? That illustrates one of the many absurdities about this law -- the fact that nobody would typically know you have a concealed weapon unless you voluntarily inform them, which if you do shows that you obviously mean no harm. If you did, their notification would come in the form of a bullet.