Dr_B
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This was an unfortunate encounter. I haven't been stopped for anything since I got my carry license, but the few times I've been around an LEO who knew I was carrying, things were OK.
CCH At A License Check
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brboyer
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You are mistaken...you might want to check the current law on this.
brboyer,could you be more specific??
Texas law requires that you show your CHL while carrying if an officer asks for your ID during a stop and they can most certainly disarm you if they want to.
I will be more than happy to site the exact letter of the law on this matter if you care.
Look up GC 411.205.
Also GC.411.207 on the officers authority to disarm.
Texas law requires that you show your CHL while carrying if an officer asks for your ID during a stop and they can most certainly disarm you if they want to.
I will be more than happy to site the exact letter of the law on this matter if you care.
Look up GC 411.205.
Also GC.411.207 on the officers authority to disarm.
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9MMare
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I know right?
North Carolina IS still part of the USA, isnt it?
This is outrageous and I commend him on filing a complaint. The minute he asked me what made me think I was qualified to carry a gun my mouth would have dropped open. Thankfully I have enough control to close it again before responding. I would save that for my written complaint.
9MMare
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There's your problem. That's Liberal Country there!
I live in Wake County and haven't had any issues yet. I tell my CCH students that if they're pulled over to roll down the window and press your palms against the steering wheel at the 10:00 and 2:00 position and spread your fingers without making a move. When the officer comes to the car, inform him or her that you're a CCH holder and whether or not you are carrying. DON'T MOVE YOUR HANDS. The LEO will then ask for your permit and license, but ASK IF YOU CAN MOVE YOUR HANDS TO RETRIEVE THEM. The LEO will ask where the gun is if you're carrying, but TELL HIM/HER WHERE IT IS WITHOUT REACHING FOR IT (usually the LEO will retrieve it personally). In other words, don't move your hands at all unless you explicitly ask if you may and only for the item in question.
It's a big, fat PITA in North Carolina, but it's getting better here. At least we will soon be able to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol. Baby steps...baby steps...
That sounds awfully overdramatic to me. They are only exercising their LEGAL right. Are the cops that scared there? Are the criminals doing that? No.
As a courtesy, even before I carried, I placed my hands...normally...on the steering wheel at 10 and 2....to put any officer at ease. I used to be a park ranger and make car stops. It was just to be polite and show courtesy.
In my state, it shows when they run your plates if you have a permit. You are not required to tell them and I havent. No issues, but one thank you...for the hands on the steering wheel.
I refuse to act LIKE a criminal or be treated like one.
9MMare
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There's no training requirement for a permit in some states, including mine. He'd have no law to back him up here.
If I was asked that question, I would just stare at him, pointedly.
9MMare
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If that is true it doesnt say much for the training level of some cops. Panicking at a holstered gun?
9MMare
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Srsly? Use of PUBLIC roads or federal highway system isnt a right? What restrictions are there if you are in the correct vehicle as posted (meaning not on a horse or hitchhiking, for example).
I can understand....unfortunately....the manufacturing of the excuse of checking drivers' licenses in the interest of public safety but then they still should have no right to ask for ID from anyone else in the vehicle (which is outside the scope of this discussion).
9MMare
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WA St has had Democratic governors for decades. And a huge influx of Californians.
We still have pretty darn gun-friendly laws, and a very gun-friendly state Constitution, despite being a blue state (but it's pretty close to 50-50).
9MMare
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Sorry, obviously this topic has irked me. I'm only halfway thru.
I'll stop reading...and writing...now.
I'll stop reading...and writing...now.
9MMare
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It doesnt stop you from riding the bus or riding in a car on the highway. Driver's licenses arent licenses to use roadways, they are verification that you can safely operate a potentially dangerous vehicle on those roadways.
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Wonder how the officer would have felt if MikeNice had asked him if he thought he was properly trained to wear a badge?
He would probably have felt disrespected, just like MikeNice felt. Respect is a two way street.
MarkDozier
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I haved been stopped a few times. never got a ticket. the only time i told cop i was packin was becauuse i had the gun and wallet in a fanny pack. I was wearing sweats.
Told him and he saiys i know. He then asked if I was going to shoot him? Only if I have to I replied. We starting talkin guns and i left with a slow down admonisment and a smile from the tropper.
Funny but between my retired ID and my CPL I have only got one ticket in 15 years and I crushed it in court.
Told him and he saiys i know. He then asked if I was going to shoot him? Only if I have to I replied. We starting talkin guns and i left with a slow down admonisment and a smile from the tropper.
Funny but between my retired ID and my CPL I have only got one ticket in 15 years and I crushed it in court.
Zach S
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Its a right, they cant revoke my license at their will. And like other rights, I can lose that right due to stupidity on my part.
Honestly, I cant see how people can say that CCW is a right and driving is a privilege.
grubbylabs
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No it is not it is a privileged. That is why they place the barrier of a license. You have to earn the privileged or "right" to be able to drive. You have the privilege of using "public road ways" so long as you comply with the rules for using that road way.
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grubbylabs
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Very interesting, I had a state cop pull up behind me while I was stopped on the side of the road to tell me to move. When I saw the lights I took the revolver out of my friends hands and put it up on the dash in plain site. It was not even a consideration. He never even acknowledged that he saw it.
Not a car stop but similar situation. During hunting season while open carrying the same revolver I walked into a restaurant with my family after an outing and right past a table of county deputies, while they all looked at me for a few seconds, not one of them said a peep to me.
More on topic what does training have to do with it any way? I did not read any thing about training in the constitution or the several amendments that follow it. Not that I think you should skip training and practice but there is no stipulation about it.
Not a car stop but similar situation. During hunting season while open carrying the same revolver I walked into a restaurant with my family after an outing and right past a table of county deputies, while they all looked at me for a few seconds, not one of them said a peep to me.
More on topic what does training have to do with it any way? I did not read any thing about training in the constitution or the several amendments that follow it. Not that I think you should skip training and practice but there is no stipulation about it.
lawson4
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You do realize that you don't have to have any discussion with the officer. If he asks if it's modified, when did you get your CWP, etc, just ask if you're under arrest. You are free to go, under arrest or investagative detention. If you're free to go, do it. If you're under arrest or being detained, ask to speak with an attorney before any more questioning. The officer has to make a decision at this point: put up or shut up.
You're not being disrepectful, only exercising you're rights.
lason4
You're not being disrepectful, only exercising you're rights.
lason4
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Sometimes officers need to be reminded that their political standing needs to be left at home, or they should have ran for elected something-or-other instead of becoming a cop.
Nushif
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Definitely complain. As a matter of fact ... complain to whoever is the highest authority wherever you are.
9MMare
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A drivers license is not a barrier to using public roads, nor is it intended as such.
You can ride in a bus, you can be a passenger in a car. You can hire a limo or a taxi. In most places you can walk along them (as long as you dont hitchhike). You can pay someone to move all your possessions or commercial goods....you are using the roadways in all these instances.
As a 'driver' however, you do have to obey the traffic rules.
A drivers license is one measure to try and oversee public safety by developing standards for safe operation of a vehicle. And it has been 'claimed' for various other *identification* purposes by a variety of municipalities and states....not all that I agree with.
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Defense Minister
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I'm WAY more concerned about the "license check" than I am the issue with the firearm. Papers, please...
I agree about the "license check" being more rediciouls. What if you were riding your bicycle past the check point. Do you have to stop and show them your chl? If no laws were broken you should not have check points. I suppose if they were looking for a escaped convict or something like that I would be happy to comply. Can't think of any other reason. We are Americans not nazis.
A license is permission to use THEIR roadways whilst driving YOUR car. Verification of safe handling is just extra, and often ineffective verification if you ask me.
Sorry, you are incorrect. Driving on public roadways is not a right. They can revoke your permission to drive on their roadways at will according to the govt's procedure of whose jurisdiction you reside within. If you don't believe me go ask a highway patrol officer, lawyer or judge.
CC ought to be a right, but at the moment it is not considered such, it is a privilege similar to using public roadways to drive your vehicle.
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