Try reloading some of those pieces of brass!Maybe in the not too distant future 32 APC will be a force in the Military/LE/SD world again but I'm not going to hold my breath. It's going to have to fill up the brass buckets at the range like 9x19 before I'm interested in loading and shooting 1200 rds a year. It has a long way to go to become a contender. Economy of scale is a thing. .223/5.56 is also my choice for a SD carbine for the same reason because I shoot a lot. I've sold thousands of pieces of brass to support my costs of shooting as much as I do.
I have no concerns of overpenetration with .32 ACP and I won't argue that more hollow points, if they expand, don't penetrate 12 inches. We don't have enough data to know if the solid copper Lehigh stuff is any better, but it does appear to be better/more damaging than round nose FMJ and hollow points that don't expand.The laws of physics conspire against a small lightweight handgun that is easy to conceal, comfortable to carry, easy to shoot, capable of creating overwhelming and incapacitating damage to an assailant.
The problem I had with most 32 ACP rounds is all of the testing that was available to me showed .32 ACP bullets either expanding and stopping at 9 inches or less when run against the IWBA protocol, or zipping right out the back of 16 inch blocks of gelatin.
At least the Xtreme Cavitator punches a hole 13" to 14" deep through 4 layers of denim. With 32 ACP hollow points, I have no confidence that the bullets are going to reach critical organs. FMJ doesn't make much of a wound and they don't stop in the target - which is unacceptable to me. I don't think the Xtreme Cavitator in .32 is doing as much tissue damage as a quality 147gr 9mm round like HST or Ranger T-Series, but it does punch a hole 13" to 14" deep. That makes it tempting for me, it is not optimal but it does make it past the bare minimum for me, the bullets are capable of reaching critical organs and they generally don't leave the target.
What gets posted is performance of 32 acp in gel, general advocacy.
What does not get posted is willingness or ability to carry a larger pistol and that is relative.
I want something I can throw into my pocket and walk out the door. Hence, the interest in 32 ACP.
If you look at those tests using the Lehigh/Underwood ammo, I think you might change your dismissive attitude about the 32 ACP.
Try reloading some of those pieces of brass!
Pretty tough to get anything going 1300 fps from a barrel under 3 inches unless you like really high PSI and a deafening muzzle blast to boot.Has anyone attempted a 32 Super Auto type round. I know there is 32 NAA, but thats a bottle neck 380, so the capacity advantage is lost, and the energy gain puts it not to far off the parent cartridge. I'm thinking a 7.65 x 19 or so. Maybe 32 Largo at 7.65 x 21. Something delivering a 75g projectile at 1300+ fps from an true rimless round.
Couldn’t a 357 wheelgun man make the same dismissive statement about the 9mm? And please don’t make the nonsensical statement that “a 9mm is just as good as a 357”.There it is. I wish people would just state the truth like that more often.
Its not really about the performance of whatever 32 in gel its about convenience.
If you are content to defend your life with a 32 that is your preference.
No matter how good a 32 load is (Leigh/Underwood) that bullet tech is also available in 9mm.
If one is willing (able) to put forth more effort than something they can throw into pocket and walk out door they open their options (9mm).
Not really because a 44 isn’t nearly as controllable as a 357, unless you’re shooting really mild loads and then you might as well be using a 357. Also, whereas I can get a K-frame or GP100 357, you’re pretty much limited to N-frame or Redhawk size wheelguns with a 44. You can even get a J-frame or LCR 357, even tho I wouldn’t fire a 357 from one.Couldn’t a 44 Magnum wheelgun man make the same dismissive statement about the 357?
Not really.Couldn’t a 357 wheelgun man make the same dismissive statement about the 9mm?
Couldn’t a 357 wheelgun man make the same dismissive statement about the 9mm? And please don’t make the nonsensical statement that “a 9mm is just as good as a 357”.
No, I do not think 9mm is just as good as 357 Mag.
However, revolvers are capacity deficient and please don't make the nonsensical statement that any civilian SD situation will be resolved in 6 rounds.
How rapidly can you put them into the target?So the question becomes which is the most effective,8 rounds of 45 ACP or 8 rounds of 357?
Quality vs quantity: the perpetual argument.No, I do not think 9mm is just as good as 357 Mag.
However, revolvers are capacity deficient and please don't make the nonsensical statement that any civilian SD situation will be resolved in 6 rounds.
Not on this. It is about probability.Quality vs quantity: the perpetual argument.
In the Miami-Dade shootout in 1986, had the FBI agent shot the Mini-14 toting bad guy (under his armpit) at the beginning with a 357 instead of a 9mm, GAME OVER. So yeah, quality does matter.Not on this. It is about probability.
Didn't say is doesn't, but that is how that one shot happened to hit. It was about chance.n the Miami-Dade shootout in 1986, had the FBI agent shot the Mini-14 toting bad guy (under his armpit) at the beginning with a 357 instead of a 9mm, GAME OVER. So yeah, quality does matter.
How rapidly can you put them into the target?
That, by the way, was why I retired my .45.
BUT, My 357 has the same capacity as my 1911. So the question becomes which is the most effective,8 rounds of 45 ACP or 8 rounds of 357?
8 rounds is a bit more toward my comfort zone, still I prefer a semiauto.