In Missouri if they find out you have your CCL they can cuff you and have you step out behind the car for there safety, I think it's stupid. At the local hardware store a guy with his license was carrying and a lady saw it and called the cops, which is expected. Instead of them just asking him if he was licensed and what not they came in full riot gear, tackled and cuffed him, then had him arrested until they found out he was a legal carrier.
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NavyLCDR
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Wow, I am glad that I don't live in Missouri. Here in Washington it is not expected that someone will call the cops just because they see someone carrying a gun - it is rather rare here that someone would.
NavyLCDR
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Absolutely 100% false information. Where did you get that idea from?
NavyLCDR
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I think it is entirely plausible. I was traveling with my wife and two teenage girls in the car looking for a park where a reunion was being held. Traveling with my Taurus PT-145 Stainless openly carried in a holster on my belt. Wasn't paying attention when the officer stopped me for going 40 in a 25 because I missed the speed limit change sign.
After taking my info and returning from his car, the officer asked me to step out of the vehicle, and then proceeded to walk back to the area between our cars. Well, heck, I can't leave the loaded gun in the car because nobody else had a CPL, so I exit the vehicle, still openly carrying the gun in a holster on my belt, back to where the officer was waiting.
He said, "I didn't want to lecture you in front of your family but you really do need to pay attention more and slow down. I am going to give you a verbal warning this time." We exchanged polite and professional "good bye's" and that was that. No mention of my gun or my CPL by either the officer or myself.
Before I started consciously being aware of obeying the speed limit, I have been stopped several times - never mentioned the gun or the license, they never asked or mentioned it, and I ran about 50/50 getting warnings and tickets.
Steve CT
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My state does not require me to notify a police officer that I am carrying. If stopped, I would be hands on the steering wheel in clear sight. If I need to get ID, right side rear pocket, right next to my holster, I would inform the officer that I am legally carrying a pistol, and my ID is in the pocket by my holster.
Plan2Live
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If you knew he was pulling you over you knew he was going to ask for your license, registration and proof of insurance. Why not eliminate the whole "my wallet is next to my gun" thing and have your wallet out and laying on the dashboard close to your hand on the steering wheel? If you are trying to put him at ease, take a few extra steps and really put him at ease.
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It's no big deal anymore. Just tell the man you have a firearm and where it is. He really wants that information.
A police officer's main concern is staying alive. Sure, there are those with egos and those that counter their fear with over the top remarks.
As citizens, we have to let that go by and be respectful--if not for the officer as an individual, then for his authority.
A police officer's main concern is staying alive. Sure, there are those with egos and those that counter their fear with over the top remarks.
As citizens, we have to let that go by and be respectful--if not for the officer as an individual, then for his authority.
IBEWBULL
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Pulled over safety
If I am pulled over I :
1 look for a safe place to pull over.
2 Remove wallet before officer approaches.
3 Turn off ignition.
4 Turn on overhead light if night.
5 Keep hands on wheel in sight.
These officers don't know me or what could have happened in my past.
I don't know what just herd on their radio.
So don't make each other nervous . Be nice and polite. These folks are a just doing a job.
I always got along with LEO even when I was in the wrong.
Judges are another issue. Long story and bad divorce. Worth every c.ent
If I am pulled over I :
1 look for a safe place to pull over.
2 Remove wallet before officer approaches.
3 Turn off ignition.
4 Turn on overhead light if night.
5 Keep hands on wheel in sight.
These officers don't know me or what could have happened in my past.
I don't know what just herd on their radio.
So don't make each other nervous . Be nice and polite. These folks are a just doing a job.
I always got along with LEO even when I was in the wrong.
Judges are another issue. Long story and bad divorce. Worth every c.ent
NavyLCDR
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Can you explain how telling the officer about the gun and permit does a single thing to make the officer any safer than if he is not told? My gun isn't going to jump out of the holster and start shooting by itself.
Theohazard
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Just to play Devil's Advocate, I'll present the following situation: What if you don't tell the officer you're legally carrying, and then he happens to see your concealed firearm anyway? At that point he might think you're a criminal carrying illegally who's about to shoot him. But telling him ahead of time and showing your permit would prevent that.NavyLCDR said:
Just an idea. Me, I like that we have no duty to inform here in WA. I haven't been pulled over here yet, but I can't see any good coming of telling the officer I'm armed, I'll just keep my mouth shut unless he asks (and make sure my gun stays concealed). What if I got a police officer who was anti-gun?
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herkeyguy said:
Glad to hear you are still so limber. Not only are my arms not long enough to reach my back pocket on the opposite side, I've also had a partial amputation of my left thumb (table saw accident) which makes it difficult to grasp things. I would not have been able to comply with such an order.
Glad to hear you are still so limber. Not only are my arms not long enough to reach my back pocket on the opposite side, I've also had a partial amputation of my left thumb (table saw accident) which makes it difficult to grasp things. I would not have been able to comply with such an order.
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The type of officer who will have that reaction at seeing a properly holstered gun is likely to be the type of officer that is going to want to take your gun from you when you tell them about it and hold on to it "for officer safety" while they also check the serial number to see if it is stolen.
WolverineFury
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Perhaps someone who is active LEO can confirm this. In "TheYankeeMarshal's" video on traffic stops while carrying he says that LEO are trained (or at least he was trained) not to approach a vehicle until the LEO sees movement in the car stop. They are trained to expect people to be reaching for their registration, insurance, etc. .
Red Wind
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Agree. An Urban myth. I taught the Commercial Drivers License course (CDL) for 4 years, from 1991 to 1995. Still have my little 18 wheel truckee examplifiers! Made up a new word!
Truckers with the proper gun permits can carry just like their smaller axled brethren!
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As the op did, I pull over at the first sign of pursuit, and remove my wallet along with DL, CHL and insurance and have them in hand(s) next to the window down long before they walk up.
Some ask why I have done this. I reply that I know their job and want them to feel as safe as possible. Next question is if I have a gun in the car? Answer is yes. Next question is where? Right next to my wallet.
I did pull up to an unexpected road block a few years ago. With an officer on foot in the road way ahead of me. The window was down as I noticed him in the road in advance and both hands were at 12:00 on the wheel but didn't expect that he wanted any ID. After he requested ID, I gave him both slowly and deliberately (along with insurance as they are all together). He then asked if there were any firearms in the vehicle, I confirmed that there were and he asked where. Without moving anything but a thumb and eyes I pointed up. He ducked down and noticed he was looking at the muzzle of a rifle said "Oh." and took a step towards the rear of the Jeep. Then handed everything back to me and said "have a nice day."
Some ask why I have done this. I reply that I know their job and want them to feel as safe as possible. Next question is if I have a gun in the car? Answer is yes. Next question is where? Right next to my wallet.
I did pull up to an unexpected road block a few years ago. With an officer on foot in the road way ahead of me. The window was down as I noticed him in the road in advance and both hands were at 12:00 on the wheel but didn't expect that he wanted any ID. After he requested ID, I gave him both slowly and deliberately (along with insurance as they are all together). He then asked if there were any firearms in the vehicle, I confirmed that there were and he asked where. Without moving anything but a thumb and eyes I pointed up. He ducked down and noticed he was looking at the muzzle of a rifle said "Oh." and took a step towards the rear of the Jeep. Then handed everything back to me and said "have a nice day."
Not that it's expected. Most people here are back woods, blue collar folks who generally are carrying themselves. Most of the time the person would have just have been told his guns showing. But we have more and people moving down from STL city and they're not so gun savy. So it becoming more of the norm unfortunately.
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Wow jmorris, that's a pretty cool rig there.
I do not know how smart it is to be getting all your stuff out of glove compartment, pockets or whatever as a cop is approaching the vehicle. He could think you are trying to get a gun free. I do not get anything out until asked for itAs the op did, I pull over at the first sign of pursuit, and remove my wallet along with DL, CHL and insurance and have them in hand(s) next to the window down long before they walk up.
Some ask why I have done this. I reply that I know their job and want them to feel as safe as possible. Next question is if I have a gun in the car? Answer is yes. Next question is where? Right next to my wallet.
I did pull up to an unexpected road block a few years ago. With an officer on foot in the road way ahead of me. The window was down as I noticed him in the road in advance and both hands were at 12:00 on the wheel but didn't expect that he wanted any ID. After he requested ID, I gave him both slowly and deliberately (along with insurance as they are all together). He then asked if there were any firearms in the vehicle, I confirmed that there were and he asked where. Without moving anything but a thumb and eyes I pointed up. He ducked down and noticed he was looking at the muzzle of a rifle said "Oh." and took a step towards the rear of the Jeep. Then handed everything back to me and said "have a nice day."
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Hi jmorris:
Not thread-hijack, but what is your vehicle and what kind of rig is that?
Not thread-hijack, but what is your vehicle and what kind of rig is that?
My main concern is staying alive and no ones life is worth more then some one elses
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In Ohio you have a duty to inform LE.
Both hands on the wheel.. First thing you do before cop has a chance to say anything.
Both hands on the wheel.. First thing you do before cop has a chance to say anything.
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Super hyped; Youtube.com clip....
I disagree with the "I don't need to inform the LE officer that I'm armed" SOP. Even if it's legal, I wouldn't poke the bear, and start a traffic stop off on the wrong foot.
I'm not saying you have to forgo your civil rights or be a jerk, but have a plan or system to handle traffic stops while armed.
Any forum members who say; "oh, it's okay, you will be alright" or all cops know what to do, should review a few clips online of valid CCW license holders or motorists with guns who are fully; IAW the statues/state laws & still hassle drivers.
The Ohio cop & the taxi driver with a valid CCW video is a good example. The short temper patrol officer wigs out & lashes out at the hapless cab driver(who did 0 wrong ).
The Ohio LE officer later got released by the police agency on a medical retirement & $38,000.00 settlement.
He kept his police credentials & can get LEOSA status too.
Rusty
PS; feel safer?
I disagree with the "I don't need to inform the LE officer that I'm armed" SOP. Even if it's legal, I wouldn't poke the bear, and start a traffic stop off on the wrong foot.
I'm not saying you have to forgo your civil rights or be a jerk, but have a plan or system to handle traffic stops while armed.
Any forum members who say; "oh, it's okay, you will be alright" or all cops know what to do, should review a few clips online of valid CCW license holders or motorists with guns who are fully; IAW the statues/state laws & still hassle drivers.
The Ohio cop & the taxi driver with a valid CCW video is a good example. The short temper patrol officer wigs out & lashes out at the hapless cab driver(who did 0 wrong
).The Ohio LE officer later got released by the police agency on a medical retirement & $38,000.00 settlement.
He kept his police credentials & can get LEOSA status too.
Rusty
PS; feel safer?
Steve CT
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Once those lights go on and I'm pulling over, I AM NOT REACHING AROUND IN MY CAR FOR ANYTHING. I won't make an LEO any more nervous than he/she should be when walking up to my car. If I am legally carrying, then it's not an issue, if I'm getting a citation for a traffic violation, so be it.
Not much point in making an LEO nervous on a traffic stop while I scramble to get my wallet ready during the approach to my car.
But only if they're independent truckers or their company allows it. I drove for Schneider National for 5 years after I retired (company driver) and they absolutely prohibited firearms in their vehicles.Agree. An Urban myth. I taught the Commercial Drivers License course (CDL) for 4 years, from 1991 to 1995. Still have my little 18 wheel truckee examplifiers! Made up a new word!
Truckers with the proper gun permits can carry just like their smaller axled brethren!
My in-truck security consisted of a stout bungee cord connecting both doors and my trusty 'tire thumper'
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